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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1478
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:15:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Regardless, if OP has any evidence of Dev/GM/CCP employee misconduct/malfeasance/incompetence/etc, he should direct it to the IA Department at CCP. Ah yes. an Internal Affairs investigating their own people. CCP has a good trackrecord for being trustworthy in that department. T20. mainly a cover up till the **** hit the fan so darn hard the lid got blown off. Hillmars famous e-mail. Long term silence and then a simple "sorry". But more "sorry I got caught" then "sorry for being an idiot" 20% lay off of employees but not the one really responcible for the whole mess. No you are absolutely right. I can trust CCP they double my money if I send them any amount.
T20 was before IA (and the reason they have IA). The rest is incompetence writ large. If you want to start bitching about CCP's track record of incompetence, you won't get much disagreement. When you raise that incompetence to accusations of malice, you run into Hanlon's Razor, which usually keeps CCP pretty well defended (through reference to the aforementioned long history of incompetence).
I trust them to not screw with the game in a Dev Corruption sense. I also trust them to screw up the game constantly because that's what they do because they don't quite know what they want the game to look like (let alone how to get there). Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
400
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:42:00 -
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Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special.
Please remove the player driven part to stay atleast partially correct.
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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1478
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:53:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special.
Please remove the player driven part to stay atleast partially correct.
Nullsec -> Huge, Well Organized groups of players fighting (or not) for power, territory, etc. Lowsec -> Do people actually PvE out here? Pirate player's in heaven. Hisec -> The Economy has roughly the minimum possible NPC inputs (I can't think of a good way around BPOs) Jita -> A trade hub created by players through an accident of history and retains its status despite the reason it became a hub disappearing
Events: Hulkageddon -> Dreamed up, organized, funded, and prosecuted by players for the enjoyment (and profits) of players Burn Jita/Ice Interdiction -> See Hulkageddon The immense player driven organization that ran Incursions for the last year The random quiet acts of violence or kindness that happen between strangers every moment on TQ
There's no interesting NPC driven activity in EvE, so why the hell are you playing if you don't think EvE's a player driven world?
Enough about my sig, got any evidence of Dev misconduct? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
156
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:00:00 -
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I think we are making this more complex than it needs to be.
Some years ago they homogenized Agent groups and in so doing all the R&D corps got a fist full of Security agents they never had before. I just took Duvolle Laboratories from 0 standing to 2.00 standing with 4 Lv. 3 Sec missions and Connections 4. I will have it to 3.00 and be able to run level 4 R&D in an afternoon.
Anyone remember the nursery rhyme, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird to catch the fly?
EVE swallowed a fly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
402
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
Enough about my sig, got any evidence of Dev misconduct?
I don't have the database access they have and if I had I would be breaking some rules of the EULA, wouldn't I.
And IA won't investigate anyways since heck, they need the proof delivered to their doorstep first and made public so they can first shoot down the messenger. It sounded so darn nice and nifty, but let's face it, it's just anotehr propoganda stunt promoted to sooth one of the many fuckups in the passt. Just like some excuses tried to sound as sincere as Enron's CEO when he appologized.
The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable. But heck, let's just call it tinfoil hattery and be done with it. And incase the roof does get blown off of this and suspicions become reality you can wiggle your arse in silence or all of a sudden become one of the bleating sheep at the rear. Most likely using an alt though.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
537
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:25:00 -
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Usually when things happen that people dislike or don't understand they claim haxors or in Eve's case Dev involvement. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
417
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:54:00 -
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Ioci wrote:I think we are making this more complex than it needs to be.
Some years ago they homogenized Agent groups and in so doing all the R&D corps got a fist full of Security agents they never had before. I just took Duvolle Laboratories from 0 standing to 2.00 standing with 4 Lv. 3 Sec missions and Connections 4. I will have it to 3.00 and be able to run level 4 R&D in an afternoon.
Anyone remember the nursery rhyme, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird to catch the fly?
EVE swallowed a fly. They also "homogenized" the agent standings to spread the mission runners out, to thin out the camouflage for the botters. Don't know if you were aware of that.
Killer Gandry wrote:The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable. No it doesn't. It's called mass hysteria
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
325
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:17:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable. No it doesn't. It's called mass hysteria
Agreed. That stood out as one of the dumber and more mentally unhinged comments on here, and that's pretty significant considering the competition.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
420
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:30:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Agreed. That stood out as one of the dumber and more mentally unhinged comments on here, and that's pretty significant considering the competition. I have no idea why, but that just made me laugh so hard my wife is looking at me VERY CROSSLY!
thanks!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1478
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:31:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:The fact alone that there is a growing group of the playerbase is suspecting the same as I suspect does make the thing sound more and more probable. No it doesn't. It's called mass hysteria Agreed. That stood out as one of the dumber and more mentally unhinged comments on here, and that's pretty significant considering the competition.
At least he admits that he's got nothing and just wants someone to be mad at. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:59:00 -
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So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2348
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:18:00 -
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Aeryn Tiberius wrote:So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!
You got it wrong. You'll notice that this thread is about datacores, so unsurprisingly that is what the discussion is focused on. It just happens to have a connection to FW. The list of FW changes are not final yet, but based on SiSi they will include:
- LP for kills - Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs - LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc) - New FW front page - Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy) - Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership - Map filters for FW have been revamped |
ELECTR0FREAK
32
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:25:00 -
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Aeryn Tiberius wrote:So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP!
It's not rocket surgery!
Well, okay, maybe it is.
Discoverer of CCP's original missile damage formula. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:32:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Usually when things happen that people dislike or don't understand they claim haxors or in Eve's case Dev involvement.
The Drone Regions are Null Sec.
I have no idea why they were nerfed even in the "risk/reward" paradigm. Oh yeah, we switch to "people should mine, not gun-mine" cause it's a sand-box and you do what we say or we remove features from the game to make you.
Or something like that.
Removing datacores is being done in a similarly stupid way. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:34:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Aeryn Tiberius wrote:So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP! You got it wrong. You'll notice that this thread is about datacores, so unsurprisingly that is what the discussion is focused on. It just happens to have a connection to FW. The list of FW changes are not final yet, but based on SiSi they will include: - LP for kills - Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs - LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc) - New FW front page - Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy) - Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership - Map filters for FW have been revamped
You forgot the part where they still let Null Bears hot drop 1,000 Titans anywhere in Low Sec cause they wanna. |
Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:40:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Aeryn Tiberius wrote:So let me get this straight, CCP wants more people to play FW, and they decide to put datacores in the FW LP store, and then call FW fixed. Is that suppose to be an off-color joke. I will go grab my guns and play FW for datacores. I thought that the initial discussions about changing FW did not even include datacores, so what this really means is CCP rather than do surgery and fix somethings are going to put a band-aid on cancer and call it good. Well I needed my laugh for the day, Thank you CCP! You got it wrong. You'll notice that this thread is about datacores, so unsurprisingly that is what the discussion is focused on. It just happens to have a connection to FW. The list of FW changes are not final yet, but based on SiSi they will include: - LP for kills - Bunkers are now infrastructure hubs - LP for all FW actions (capturing complexes, capturing infrastructures hubs, etc) - New FW front page - Consequences for capturing systems/regions (benefits for you, grief for your enemy) - Capturing FW system affect SOV ownership - Map filters for FW have been revamped
Thanks for the insight, I guess the hardest part I have understanding this change, is the logic behind it or lack of.
Spend 1 month or more training for skills to now get half the datacores in the past and for a fee and going out with guns and getting them!
I want my SP back that is all I am asking for. |
Bennet Am
Seekers of Oblivion
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:58:00 -
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I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.
They mean something. The passive income for anyone who played way back then is inconsequential. That is not the issue.
Clever is not always better. Improve the game, don't just move around old mechanics in the name of improvement.
Fix the science profession first, then move farming skills to pvp. If you just want to fix pvp, add isk. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
409
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:04:00 -
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Bennet Am wrote:I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.
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That is gonna be a long hope then since you can't invent a T2 BPO onlyBPC's.
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Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:21:00 -
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Bennet Am wrote:I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.
They mean something. The passive income for anyone who played way back then is inconsequential. That is not the issue.
Clever is not always better. Improve the game, don't just move around old mechanics in the name of improvement.
Fix the science profession first, then move farming skills to pvp. If you just want to fix pvp, add isk.
I think you are talking about another game, In EVE online there are two professions, Kill people or be a carebear and be killed by other people. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1478
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:22:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Bennet Am wrote:I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.
. That is gonna be a long hope then since you can't invent a T2 BPO onlyBPC's.
Wow, REALLY?
But then how do people obtain T2 BPOs? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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Hockston Axe
100
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:47:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:
We want to move T2 production more towards low and zero-sec.
Yep, right on the frontlines is the best place to put your military heavy industry...
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
158
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:54:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Ioci wrote:I think we are making this more complex than it needs to be.
Some years ago they homogenized Agent groups and in so doing all the R&D corps got a fist full of Security agents they never had before. I just took Duvolle Laboratories from 0 standing to 2.00 standing with 4 Lv. 3 Sec missions and Connections 4. I will have it to 3.00 and be able to run level 4 R&D in an afternoon.
Anyone remember the nursery rhyme, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird to catch the fly?
EVE swallowed a fly. They also "homogenized" the agent standings to spread the mission runners out, to thin out the camouflage for the botters. Don't know if you were aware of that.
It sounds like you are assuming I said that in a negative way. I know why they did what they did and I myself liked the changes. It still had some side effects and access to R&D is one of them. You could argue the best thing CCP could do is leave them alone. So what if there are 3 billion datacores in the game? It reduces the cost of inventions, that can be a good thing. I'm just nit sure of all the various ideas as to why they are doing it. I think its cut and dry on the why. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:04:00 -
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The sad thing is that I just got done training the skills that is why I want them back now, I could fly a carrier with the needed sp.
A quick noob question, I got this from my agent. If I do not do the mission does that mean I will not still be collecting research points towards datacores?
Our research has been fruitful, but I've encountered a snag and our research has been halted. Please contact me as soon as possible. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
158
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:50:00 -
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Aeryn Tiberius wrote:The sad thing is that I just got done training the skills that is why I want them back now, I could fly a carrier with the needed sp.
A quick noob question, I got this from my agent. If I do not do the mission does that mean I will not still be collecting research points towards datacores?
Our research has been fruitful, but I've encountered a snag and our research has been halted. Please contact me as soon as possible.
It's a mission flag. You can either take the mission or ignore it and on datacores, don't worry about it. They like everything else in EVE are priced to stalemate. You will still get more ISK out of them than you put in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Godfrey Silvarna
Stargates and Smuggler Barons
2
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:25:00 -
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Moving things away from Player to NPC interaction centered areas towards areas where focus is on Player to Player interaction sounds like a fine idea... but FW LP stores seem far too tightly bound to NPC empires to actually do that significantly better than NPC agents. Too much focus on the empires I say. In a perfect sandbox it should be possible to ignore the needs of some silly non player characters and the wars of their empires. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
74
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:40:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Bennet Am wrote:I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.
. That is gonna be a long hope then since you can't invent a T2 BPO onlyBPC's.
There was a time when you could.
Oh, and you just made yourself look very... very... silly. |
Bellona Roman
Army Of Angels Army Of Angels Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:56:00 -
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Regarding datacores, Why not change it so that datacores are now player made, from bpc's obtained from research agents.
If this happened , how many fw ppl would use lp to buy bpc and then go and make said cores? not as many as if it were simply as it is going to be perhaps? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
411
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:26:00 -
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Aron Croup wrote:
Oh, and you just made yourself look very... very... silly.
I do like to fit in with the rest.
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Cedric Mactavish
Shiva Hara
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:58:00 -
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Being relatively noob, this is my first significant Eve nerf experience. So Question: is there any consistent expectation we can have about when we will know the details of this one?
I've seen a Soundwave post promising a dev blog, and I think I recall a post that mentioned a May 21 date (for what, I can't recall). Other than that, I don't know what or when. Is there a regularly scheduled release notes procedure, or do we just wait for CCP to bestow upon us the divine intervention? |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
77
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:41:00 -
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Cedric Mactavish wrote:Being relatively noob, this is my first significant Eve nerf experience. So Question: is there any consistent expectation we can have about when we will know the details of this one?
I've seen a Soundwave post promising a dev blog, and I think I recall a post that mentioned a May 21 date (for what, I can't recall). Other than that, I don't know what or when. Is there a regularly scheduled release notes procedure, or do we just wait for CCP to bestow upon us the divine intervention?
Yes, the changes are already in effect on SiSi, and Soundwave has all but confirmed that the datacore collection rate will be halved, there will be a tax on purchase of datacores of 10.000 ISK and that all the different kinds of datacores will be available in the FW loyalty point stores. |
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