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Chronos Chi	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:37:00 - [91] Originally by: Empress Aurora Originally by: Chronos Chi /me strokes his evga geforce 295 /me wanders how long he can put off paying off his credit card Is it just me, or is this patch the same in that it only sees one gpu in the drop down? I have the BFG gtx 295 (well, I am playing on one anyway) Never really checked but pretty sure Eve dosent support sli which is essential what a 295 is. Never tried with dual monitor so maybe if you had second account, in the graphics options you could differentiate between the 2 cards and therefore seperate monitors to display said accounts? regards, Chronos
Cloue Gallente Stripping Agency	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:37:00 - [92] Will a GeForce FX 5500 work fine with premium lite? Cause im a computer newb... ---------------------------------------------- 8 out of 10 Owners who Expressed a Preference said Their Cats Preferred Gallente Stripping Agency.
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:38:00 - [93] Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:41:17 Y'all do realize that the DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 2 specification was released *IN 2002.* It's still old video technology, and that Eve still wrote their new engine to support it is a good thing. prepares to run the new Eve on his 4 year old laptop ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz
Imaos	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:38:00 - [94] The fun part about the mentioned Radeon 9200 is that there are different versions around. Thanks to some funny marketing guy (I really like to shoot him in the bowel, throw him out of a car and many more I don't want to mention) there are 9xxx series cards with 8xxx chips around and some with real 9xxx chips. Got a 9200SE which is SM1.0 and slower than a real 8xxx card (halved memory bus to boot) and 9200 with SM2.0 and quadruple the RAM of the former. Both rigs arent for play, but it was a funny time when they put new chars after the numbers every week. Theoretical all 9xxx should had SM2.0 as novelty back then, but the later SE models par example were utter crap and marketed for pre build systems just for the bigger number. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
EmpressShiva	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:38:00 - [95] Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder Originally by: EmpressShiva Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:28:32 Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway. Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card. Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes? If you would like to be left in the dust with those games then so be it. Go play them. By the way, counter strike Source, the newer one, has replaced the original for all but the poorest players. http://unity3d.com/webplayer/hwstats/pages/web-2008Q3-shadergen.html looks like about 2% of the people that play games use SM1 still. SM1 is the 8 track of computer gaming. that right? well guess what; counterstrike source works on shader model 1.1
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 - [96] Wasnt there a huge graphic "ad" that popped up on the login screen about this? Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Imaos	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 - [97] Originally by: Cloue Will a GeForce FX 5500 work fine with premium lite? Cause im a computer newb... Yes. Geforce 5xxx work. Imaos ------------------------------------------ Originally by: NoNah My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari.
Vargrh Gallente Quasar Fleet	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 - [98] Originally by: isometricantaliac People need to remember that although it is CCP's way forward to drop support for the lower end clients doing so is going to affect a lot of players & with the current $$$ issues around the world not many of those are going to be able to run out and spend $$$$ on a card to play a game they have already paid to play. I think CCP may be taking a big gamble in the dropping of the classic client for the re-launch of a retail version/expansion, & that it is very possible they may end up loosing more players than they gain with this new direction. I guess they have probably considered what they will be able to do if the dropping of the classic client causes the loss of too many paying accounts (won't say customers cause some have multiple accounts) & whether it would then be too late to get those players back is another thing. There are a few other space based Genre MMO's coming soon so maybe they will support the lower end cards.... There I was thinking the retail release of Eve CCP have planned to coincide with the Apocrypha distribution was to get more people playing this game, I should have been more cyncical and seen it for what it was, revenue protection. They are effectively touting for new players to take the place of those who will be unable to play post patch.
Traderboz	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 - [99] The potential problem comes when/if they raise the minimum requirements even further. A lot of laptops just use onboard video and there's no way to just simply upgrade your graphics card on a laptop. While shader 2 might not be a problem for 99.x% of users, they've talked about raising it to shader 3 by next winter, and that could really present a problem for a lot of people.
Kaisergeist	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:39:00 - [100] I don't know if someone has said it yet but CCP has said why they chose to drop sm1. For CCP to make an expansion in the past they had to make all the new additions 2x. As in all new ships/stations/etc.. had to be modeled for the classic environment (with much less poly and textures) and a again for the Premium with the full scale graphics. This work flow costed CCP time and resources that could be better spent on better things. It makes complete sense to make the new Lite client that uses sm2 and scales the textures lower res. This means one work flow for all new graphical content. A new card that supports sm2 is dirt cheap, but I understand many people don't have extra cash laying around. Maybe those that are running 2-5 extra accounts will need to drop a few for a month or to to buy that new card. I think CCP did the right thing.

prefectro Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:40:00 - [101] Edited by: prefectro on 10/03/2009 15:40:25 Though I agree that they needed to up the standard, I also agree with the OP that CCP did not do enough to make this change in hardware clear enough for people. I personally run Eve on two computers. My main one is for PVP and the other is for my alts/logistics. This is my crappy computer, but luckily I have a Radeon 9600 card. Phew.
Daemon Christian	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:40:00 - [102] Edited by: Daemon Christian on 10/03/2009 15:41:06 It's fun to note all the sad folks here who can't afford new graphics cards get butchered by the spoiled little brats who can. Go get a job you say? I'm afraid that in some places, Iceland in particular, things just aren't that simple. Perhaps some of you should read the news? Anyway, I don't have a card with shadermodel2 either, though I knew about the changes. Was rather hoping I'd not have so many living expenses by the time this happened, but it looks like I'm going to have to let my account lapse for a while until things get better. I'll be back, though. EDIT: whoops, said shadermodel1 instead of 2.
Yayoi Tan FACTION Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:40:00 - [103] Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard. Just happens to be that it's not very hard to find an AGP card with Pixel Shader 3.0 support either, and for a VERY little cost, if you even want to go as far as second hand you can get a gcard to play this game very well for as little as 10$. The ones who are in trouble however is peoples playing on laptops. There is very little they can do in the end.
Fifenren	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:41:00 - [104] You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0.
Empress Aurora	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:41:00 - [105] Originally by: Chronos Chi Never really checked but pretty sure Eve dosent support sli which is essential what a 295 is. Never tried with dual monitor so maybe if you had second account, in the graphics options you could differentiate between the 2 cards and therefore seperate monitors to display said accounts? regards, Chronos Thx Chronos
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:42:00 - [106] Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0. You're an idiot :D ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz
EmpressShiva	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:42:00 - [107] Originally by: Yayoi Tan Originally by: EmpressShiva Newflash, this just in: You can't just stuff an 8800 into a videocard slot and expect it to work. Most of these people have computers that either feature agp or onboard. Just happens to be that it's not very hard to find an AGP card with Pixel Shader 3.0 support either, and for a VERY little cost, if you even want to go as far as second hand you can get a gcard to play this game very well for as little as 10$. The ones who are in trouble however is peoples playing on laptops. There is very little they can do in the end. Both very true; but i'm not speaking for myself. I'm running a mid (low now) 8600. expecting people to know what shader models and agp cards are in gaming is a stretch imo.
MajorMeatball	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 - [108] Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0. For the monies I would spend on a highend laptop to play eve, I could build two desktops that would play eve maxed out! Meat
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 - [109] Originally by: Cloue Will a GeForce FX 5500 work fine with premium lite? Cause im a computer newb... it will work but dont count on spectacular performance
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 - [110] Originally by: Traderboz The potential problem comes when/if they raise the minimum requirements even further. A lot of laptops just use onboard video and there's no way to just simply upgrade your graphics card on a laptop. While shader 2 might not be a problem for 99.x% of users, they've talked about raising it to shader 3 by next winter, and that could really present a problem for a lot of people. I believe they updated this saying they werent going to sm3 in the winter not long after that devblog you mentioned. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.

Fifenren	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 - [111] Edited by: Fifenren on 10/03/2009 15:44:11
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 - [112] Originally by: Daemon Christian Edited by: Daemon Christian on 10/03/2009 15:41:06 It's fun to note all the sad folks here who can't afford new graphics cards get butchered by the spoiled little brats who can. Go get a job you say? I'm afraid that in some places, Iceland in particular, things just aren't that simple. Perhaps some of you should read the news? Anyway, I don't have a card with shadermodel2 either, though I knew about the changes. Was rather hoping I'd not have so many living expenses by the time this happened, but it looks like I'm going to have to let my account lapse for a while until things get better. I'll be back, though. EDIT: whoops, said shadermodel1 instead of 2. Well, a SM 2.0 card if not in a laptop is DIRT CHEAP these days, as are most cards based around SEVEN YEAR OLD tech. Even a single month of lapse should help boost your account enough to afford one. ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz
Fifenren	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:43:00 - [113] Originally by: Fifenren Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0. You're an idiot :D You're an idiot who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D Laptop = not for gaming, go ask Nvidia and ATI.
Emorius Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:44:00 - [114] Ah man im sorry but i laugh when i hear these complaints. If you seriously cant spend a measly $20, yes measly, thats nothing for a bare minumum card that can play the game, then you got issues. Were talking Gefore 5200, 6200 craptastic cards too, if you must play at the lowest of the low in quality and performance. And you mean to tell me in 3-5 years of eve's time you could not save $20 at least to buy a better card? Sorry its not money issue, its ignorance, or just lazy lazy.
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:44:00 - [115] Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0. All game companies that I have seen also say laptops aren't supported, probably for this very reason. Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Xianthar STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:44:00 - [116] Originally by: Chronos Chi Never really checked but pretty sure Eve dosent support sli which is essential what a 295 is. Never tried with dual monitor so maybe if you had second account, in the graphics options you could differentiate between the 2 cards and therefore seperate monitors to display said accounts? regards, Chronos been a long time since game support was required for SLI man....like, voodoo2 days
EmpressShiva	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:45:00 - [117] laptops work fine for gaming; my friends have been doing it for years. just make sure the laptop you buy has a videocard, just like a desktop. its not any different.
Anyura	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:45:00 - [118] Edited by: Anyura on 10/03/2009 15:45:57 Originally by: MajorMeatball Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0. For the monies I would spend on a highend laptop to play eve, I could build two desktops that would play eve maxed out! Meat /lovingly caresses her new Alienware M17 laptop. /worries whether the twin Radeon HD 3870 Crossfire chipsets will play EvE
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:45:00 - [119] Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/03/2009 15:46:09 Originally by: Fifenren Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Originally by: Fifenren You don't have a right to complain about games not working if you're using a laptop, they are not meant for gaming, there are only a few laptops meant for gaming and they have integrated gpu's from either ATI or Nvidia with at least sm2.0. You're an idiot :D You're an ungrateful cheap *** who bought a laptop thinking it's for gaming. :D Actually, my laptop is four years old but can run even full premium (not WELL, but it can). The best part is, it's even expressly NOT for gaming - yay, NVIDIA Quadro card. You're an idiot who thinks that people shouldn't be upset that their laptops don't support old technology. I fully understand why they're irked at the new changes, as Eve was likely accessible because it DIDN'T require a rig capable of playing Crysis. Still, these days pretty much ANY value laptop can run SM 2.0 programs (because it's seven years old). LRN2PC. ---- zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz
Blonde TheBuilder	Posted - 2009.03.10 15:46:00 - [120] Originally by: EmpressShiva Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder Originally by: EmpressShiva Edited by: EmpressShiva on 10/03/2009 15:28:32 Originally by: Blonde TheBuilder by discontinuing SM1 CCP is probably killing many players with 5 accounts on crappy puters that do nothing but run macro miners anyway. Name one game today that will run on an 8 year old card that is still mainstream today! Considering that, CCP has gone above and beyond by supporting the classic client for as long as they did. I've seen computers at the gargabe dump that support SM2! Go cash your welfare check and buy a new video card. I guess they will have to take the 2% hit and lose poeple like you in the process. It's a Win Win. Go play WoW Fruity. Counterstrike, teamfortress, infantry, quake 3, battlefield 1942 ..... another good mention is World of warcraft, 8 million players or something, yes? If you would like to be left in the dust with those games then so be it. Go play them. By the way, counter strike Source, the newer one, has replaced the original for all but the poorest players. http://unity3d.com/webplayer/hwstats/pages/web-2008Q3-shadergen.html looks like about 2% of the people that play games use SM1 still. SM1 is the 8 track of computer gaming. that right? well guess what; counterstrike source works on shader model 1.1



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