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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:34:00 - [421]

It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.

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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:34:00 - [422]

It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.

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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:34:00 - [423]

It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.

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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:48:00 - [424]

Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 00:00:35


Thankyou Destable. I have always found our exchanges civil and constructive.

As admited earlier, I have never denied CDIs breaking of the sanctions. It is a documented fact that an unarmed CDI frigate crossed the Tribute region. It is also a fact that this transgretion was never reported to myself or the PA. Only an unannounced attack from RKK and then a citing of this incident as a reason for war. And if you think about it, it is quite humorous to say that an unarmed frigate is all it took for war to erupt. If I had not later seen the leaked plans and strategies for war no matter the issue, I would have thought the entire galaxy had gone mad. Laughing

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.


Now I am assuming you are refering to the incident where FU was escorting Jericho through the ECP system? If so, have you not read the chatlog leaked form the Fade channel where Jack Jeckyl is ording Fade pilots to try to instigate an altercation with PA pilots in order to nulify NAST? If not, I can have that dug up to be posted here. I would hate to see CoDs reason for entering this war based on such an act of low dishonor.

Respectfully,

Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:48:00 - [425]

Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 00:00:35


Thankyou Destable. I have always found our exchanges civil and constructive.

As admited earlier, I have never denied CDIs breaking of the sanctions. It is a documented fact that an unarmed CDI frigate crossed the Tribute region. It is also a fact that this transgretion was never reported to myself or the PA. Only an unannounced attack from RKK and then a citing of this incident as a reason for war. And if you think about it, it is quite humorous to say that an unarmed frigate is all it took for war to erupt. If I had not later seen the leaked plans and strategies for war no matter the issue, I would have thought the entire galaxy had gone mad. Laughing

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.


Now I am assuming you are refering to the incident where FU was escorting Jericho through the ECP system? If so, have you not read the chatlog leaked form the Fade channel where Jack Jeckyl is ording Fade pilots to try to instigate an altercation with PA pilots in order to nulify NAST? If not, I can have that dug up to be posted here. I would hate to see CoDs reason for entering this war based on such an act of low dishonor.

Respectfully,

Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:48:00 - [426]

Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 00:00:35


Thankyou Destable. I have always found our exchanges civil and constructive.

As admited earlier, I have never denied CDIs breaking of the sanctions. It is a documented fact that an unarmed CDI frigate crossed the Tribute region. It is also a fact that this transgretion was never reported to myself or the PA. Only an unannounced attack from RKK and then a citing of this incident as a reason for war. And if you think about it, it is quite humorous to say that an unarmed frigate is all it took for war to erupt. If I had not later seen the leaked plans and strategies for war no matter the issue, I would have thought the entire galaxy had gone mad. Laughing

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.


Now I am assuming you are refering to the incident where FU was escorting Jericho through the ECP system? If so, have you not read the chatlog leaked form the Fade channel where Jack Jeckyl is ording Fade pilots to try to instigate an altercation with PA pilots in order to nulify NAST? If not, I can have that dug up to be posted here. I would hate to see CoDs reason for entering this war based on such an act of low dishonor.

Respectfully,

Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:57:00 - [427]

Edited by: Halseth on 18/08/2004 23:59:14
Originally by: Notferr
It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.



My pleasure.

Where did I say that Destable was at that TS meeting?


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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:57:00 - [428]

Edited by: Halseth on 18/08/2004 23:59:14
Originally by: Notferr
It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.



My pleasure.

Where did I say that Destable was at that TS meeting?


The sky is blue.
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:57:00 - [429]

Edited by: Halseth on 18/08/2004 23:59:14
Originally by: Notferr
It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.



My pleasure.

Where did I say that Destable was at that TS meeting?


The sky is blue.
Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:58:00 - [430]

And turkey is poultry.

It is good to see your side. Take a compliment in style.

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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:58:00 - [431]

And turkey is poultry.

It is good to see your side. Take a compliment in style.

- N -

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Notferr
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Posted - 2004.08.18 23:58:00 - [432]

And turkey is poultry.

It is good to see your side. Take a compliment in style.

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Destable
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:00:00 - [433]

Edited by: Destable on 19/08/2004 00:01:54
Originally by: Notferr
It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.


I'm pretty sure I was there too, unless someone gave me a recording? Doesn't really matter I guess.

Edit: you guys are quick. 2 replies while I posted. I think he was correcting me, not you halseth.....



Destable
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:00:00 - [434]

Edited by: Destable on 19/08/2004 00:01:54
Originally by: Notferr
It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.


I'm pretty sure I was there too, unless someone gave me a recording? Doesn't really matter I guess.

Edit: you guys are quick. 2 replies while I posted. I think he was correcting me, not you halseth.....



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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:00:00 - [435]

Edited by: Destable on 19/08/2004 00:01:54
Originally by: Notferr
It was me in attendance to that TS, Halseth, not Destable.

Good to see your side of the story.


I'm pretty sure I was there too, unless someone gave me a recording? Doesn't really matter I guess.

Edit: you guys are quick. 2 replies while I posted. I think he was correcting me, not you halseth.....



Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:03:00 - [436]

Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 00:05:11
Originally by: Notferr
And turkey is poultry.

It is good to see your side. Take a compliment in style.


I can. You gave one and then tacked on something completely inacurate just to have the last word.

And yes, Turkey is poultry.

Dest, he was addressing me.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:03:00 - [437]

Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 00:05:11
Originally by: Notferr
And turkey is poultry.

It is good to see your side. Take a compliment in style.


I can. You gave one and then tacked on something completely inacurate just to have the last word.

And yes, Turkey is poultry.

Dest, he was addressing me.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:03:00 - [438]

Edited by: Halseth on 19/08/2004 00:05:11
Originally by: Notferr
And turkey is poultry.

It is good to see your side. Take a compliment in style.


I can. You gave one and then tacked on something completely inacurate just to have the last word.

And yes, Turkey is poultry.

Dest, he was addressing me.
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:06:00 - [439]

Edited by: LLeBRing on 19/08/2004 00:09:02
OK, i'm confused....

Why are CoD fighting PA fighting again?

Because my initials thoughts when talking to CoD pilots (anyone in CoD can vouche for me being in Deklein A LOT) was that the war was because of CDI.

Am I wrong? Or are most confused?

Because now i'm confused. Halseth has logs of some FU pilot, who obviously was in the leadership council for FU and FU obviously wanted to go to war against the PA if this is true. Thus wanting to bring CoD into the war, thus making the whole CDI issue not working very well.

OR

Is it because of the lack of respect that PA gave to CoD? Because if it is... you've certainly earned it in this war, as the local conversations with 99.9% of CoD pilots goes VERY VERY well. Almost cozy Very Happy

but then that also means that they used this whole PB incident with this FU bloke as a precurser to throw them over the edge for war...

someone help me out here... i'm confused

seems to be looking like an orchestrated plot by some individuals to bring war..... That may be the reason, if so then post that. Because once again...

i'm confused Sad



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LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:06:00 - [440]

Edited by: LLeBRing on 19/08/2004 00:09:02
OK, i'm confused....

Why are CoD fighting PA fighting again?

Because my initials thoughts when talking to CoD pilots (anyone in CoD can vouche for me being in Deklein A LOT) was that the war was because of CDI.

Am I wrong? Or are most confused?

Because now i'm confused. Halseth has logs of some FU pilot, who obviously was in the leadership council for FU and FU obviously wanted to go to war against the PA if this is true. Thus wanting to bring CoD into the war, thus making the whole CDI issue not working very well.

OR

Is it because of the lack of respect that PA gave to CoD? Because if it is... you've certainly earned it in this war, as the local conversations with 99.9% of CoD pilots goes VERY VERY well. Almost cozy Very Happy

but then that also means that they used this whole PB incident with this FU bloke as a precurser to throw them over the edge for war...

someone help me out here... i'm confused

seems to be looking like an orchestrated plot by some individuals to bring war..... That may be the reason, if so then post that. Because once again...

i'm confused Sad



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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:06:00 - [441]

Edited by: LLeBRing on 19/08/2004 00:09:02
OK, i'm confused....

Why are CoD fighting PA fighting again?

Because my initials thoughts when talking to CoD pilots (anyone in CoD can vouche for me being in Deklein A LOT) was that the war was because of CDI.

Am I wrong? Or are most confused?

Because now i'm confused. Halseth has logs of some FU pilot, who obviously was in the leadership council for FU and FU obviously wanted to go to war against the PA if this is true. Thus wanting to bring CoD into the war, thus making the whole CDI issue not working very well.

OR

Is it because of the lack of respect that PA gave to CoD? Because if it is... you've certainly earned it in this war, as the local conversations with 99.9% of CoD pilots goes VERY VERY well. Almost cozy Very Happy

but then that also means that they used this whole PB incident with this FU bloke as a precurser to throw them over the edge for war...

someone help me out here... i'm confused

seems to be looking like an orchestrated plot by some individuals to bring war..... That may be the reason, if so then post that. Because once again...

i'm confused Sad


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Destable
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:08:00 - [442]

Originally by: Halseth

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.





Well, that (#26) was my quick, one line summary of the COD entry into the war back when I made that post in June.

It's not the most particularly thorough explanation. There were many different motives, from many different directors, in many different corps in COD that led to our decision. They were numerous, and all over the board, from perceived arrogance and lack of respect by PA towards COD, to the CDI issue, to some feeling that since we had to choose a side, they wanted to fight with old friends, not recent allies (PA). I'd be happy to discuss them in more detail later...




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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:08:00 - [443]

Originally by: Halseth

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.





Well, that (#26) was my quick, one line summary of the COD entry into the war back when I made that post in June.

It's not the most particularly thorough explanation. There were many different motives, from many different directors, in many different corps in COD that led to our decision. They were numerous, and all over the board, from perceived arrogance and lack of respect by PA towards COD, to the CDI issue, to some feeling that since we had to choose a side, they wanted to fight with old friends, not recent allies (PA). I'd be happy to discuss them in more detail later...




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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:08:00 - [444]

Originally by: Halseth

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.





Well, that (#26) was my quick, one line summary of the COD entry into the war back when I made that post in June.

It's not the most particularly thorough explanation. There were many different motives, from many different directors, in many different corps in COD that led to our decision. They were numerous, and all over the board, from perceived arrogance and lack of respect by PA towards COD, to the CDI issue, to some feeling that since we had to choose a side, they wanted to fight with old friends, not recent allies (PA). I'd be happy to discuss them in more detail later...




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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:11:00 - [445]


A couple of points of order to Halseth on his account.

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During this meeting it is promised by Myself, Robeyone, and KIAINKZ that CDI will shape up or ship out. And if CDI cannot be shipped out, our corps will leave the PA in protest. (looking back at this meeting, I recall Jade asking repeatedly "are you sure you are promising that??"


I wanted to be very sure that you were committing to pulling your corporations out of the PA and that there would be absolutely no ambiguity or wriggling should CDI break the parole terms (as they later did). That I asked you personally three times to swear to that oath and that your did so swear, is a pretty serious issue.

Quote:
-At this point, CDI C.E.O. Krulls makes a very heartfelt and moving public appology in this forum to anyone who feels they have been wronged by his corporation. He also opens the doors for restitution to be paid to any and all who feel they are intitled. -This appology is widely recieved on this forum as "very acceptable" from representatives from JF, RKK, CoD and FU.


Incorrect. Jericho Fraction was not satisfied with this gesture alone, we said nothing on that thread and elected to wait and see if CDI would keep its promise.

Here is the thread in question: CDI Apology

What actually happened is that you presented the deal agreed on Teamspeak as a full and final resolution of the matter in that thread. People looked at it and waited to see if CDI would keep their (and your) word.

CDI broke the terms and you broke your promise.





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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:11:00 - [446]


A couple of points of order to Halseth on his account.

Quote:
During this meeting it is promised by Myself, Robeyone, and KIAINKZ that CDI will shape up or ship out. And if CDI cannot be shipped out, our corps will leave the PA in protest. (looking back at this meeting, I recall Jade asking repeatedly "are you sure you are promising that??"


I wanted to be very sure that you were committing to pulling your corporations out of the PA and that there would be absolutely no ambiguity or wriggling should CDI break the parole terms (as they later did). That I asked you personally three times to swear to that oath and that your did so swear, is a pretty serious issue.

Quote:
-At this point, CDI C.E.O. Krulls makes a very heartfelt and moving public appology in this forum to anyone who feels they have been wronged by his corporation. He also opens the doors for restitution to be paid to any and all who feel they are intitled. -This appology is widely recieved on this forum as "very acceptable" from representatives from JF, RKK, CoD and FU.


Incorrect. Jericho Fraction was not satisfied with this gesture alone, we said nothing on that thread and elected to wait and see if CDI would keep its promise.

Here is the thread in question: CDI Apology

What actually happened is that you presented the deal agreed on Teamspeak as a full and final resolution of the matter in that thread. People looked at it and waited to see if CDI would keep their (and your) word.

CDI broke the terms and you broke your promise.





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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:11:00 - [447]


A couple of points of order to Halseth on his account.

Quote:
During this meeting it is promised by Myself, Robeyone, and KIAINKZ that CDI will shape up or ship out. And if CDI cannot be shipped out, our corps will leave the PA in protest. (looking back at this meeting, I recall Jade asking repeatedly "are you sure you are promising that??"


I wanted to be very sure that you were committing to pulling your corporations out of the PA and that there would be absolutely no ambiguity or wriggling should CDI break the parole terms (as they later did). That I asked you personally three times to swear to that oath and that your did so swear, is a pretty serious issue.

Quote:
-At this point, CDI C.E.O. Krulls makes a very heartfelt and moving public appology in this forum to anyone who feels they have been wronged by his corporation. He also opens the doors for restitution to be paid to any and all who feel they are intitled. -This appology is widely recieved on this forum as "very acceptable" from representatives from JF, RKK, CoD and FU.


Incorrect. Jericho Fraction was not satisfied with this gesture alone, we said nothing on that thread and elected to wait and see if CDI would keep its promise.

Here is the thread in question: CDI Apology

What actually happened is that you presented the deal agreed on Teamspeak as a full and final resolution of the matter in that thread. People looked at it and waited to see if CDI would keep their (and your) word.

CDI broke the terms and you broke your promise.





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Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:16:00 - [448]

Originally by: Destable
Originally by: Halseth

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.





Well, that (#26) was my quick, one line summary of the COD entry into the war back when I made that post in June.

It's not the most particularly thorough explanation. There were many different motives, from many different directors, in many different corps in COD that led to our decision. They were numerous, and all over the board, from perceived arrogance and lack of respect by PA towards COD, to the CDI issue, to some feeling that since we had to choose a side, they wanted to fight with old friends, not recent allies (PA). I'd be happy to discuss them in more detail later...


No need to discuss them. I respect that you have your reasons for war against the PA. You are not required to voice those at anytime no matter what anyone else says.

Take pride in your convictions as long as you believe them to be true and just. The reasons for war now are really inconsequential now. We are at a war now with ireconcilable differences and the outcome will now be decided in space. Not in the debates of past events.






Halseth
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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:16:00 - [449]

Originally by: Destable
Originally by: Halseth

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.





Well, that (#26) was my quick, one line summary of the COD entry into the war back when I made that post in June.

It's not the most particularly thorough explanation. There were many different motives, from many different directors, in many different corps in COD that led to our decision. They were numerous, and all over the board, from perceived arrogance and lack of respect by PA towards COD, to the CDI issue, to some feeling that since we had to choose a side, they wanted to fight with old friends, not recent allies (PA). I'd be happy to discuss them in more detail later...


No need to discuss them. I respect that you have your reasons for war against the PA. You are not required to voice those at anytime no matter what anyone else says.

Take pride in your convictions as long as you believe them to be true and just. The reasons for war now are really inconsequential now. We are at a war now with ireconcilable differences and the outcome will now be decided in space. Not in the debates of past events.






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Posted - 2004.08.19 00:16:00 - [450]

Originally by: Destable
Originally by: Halseth

Now concerning CoDs entering the war, you stated this;

Quote:
26. COD enters the war due to PA agression towards our NAST ally FU.





Well, that (#26) was my quick, one line summary of the COD entry into the war back when I made that post in June.

It's not the most particularly thorough explanation. There were many different motives, from many different directors, in many different corps in COD that led to our decision. They were numerous, and all over the board, from perceived arrogance and lack of respect by PA towards COD, to the CDI issue, to some feeling that since we had to choose a side, they wanted to fight with old friends, not recent allies (PA). I'd be happy to discuss them in more detail later...


No need to discuss them. I respect that you have your reasons for war against the PA. You are not required to voice those at anytime no matter what anyone else says.

Take pride in your convictions as long as you believe them to be true and just. The reasons for war now are really inconsequential now. We are at a war now with ireconcilable differences and the outcome will now be decided in space. Not in the debates of past events.






   
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