Uh, buddy, it kind of is. While the broken window parable holds true in real life, in real life there's also the potential for limitless innovation. In EVE, you're limited to building from a few thousand specific blueprints, utilizing a few hundred material types, all of which CCP created. Who would buy the stuff you made, if that stuff hardly got destroyed? Do you think new Hulks would get sold, if everybody already had one and used it with impunity?

Also, there would be quite a bit of pvp without "industrials." And by "industrials," I of course mean carebears. You see, you're under the assumption that the bears are the only ones who build anything in this game, which couldn't be further from the truth. I have a fully-skilled industrial alt, which I never use because it's simply a more efficient use of my time to grind out some ISK in a wormhole when I need it. So do all of my "scumbag" friends.

We don't need you; you need us.

You say this is supposed to be insulting, so I have to assume that you think our self-worth is based on a belief that we are honourable elitepvp space warriors.

It isn't. It's based on hurting people.

Real PvP is 2+ players who both think they can have the advantage in a given circumstance.

I was just saying that there are some people who really enjoy the industrial part of eve !
and i dont get why hardcore players always think its all about pvp and their playing style !

funny fact: some ppl got enough action in real life and they really enjoy staying in a belt,do trading while watching a movie and talking to corpmates !

You want to talk about people that want their form of gameplay foisted on everyone else? Look no further than the thread creator and the army of Hulk pilots that followed. These people are so up their own ass that not only are they still flying Hulks during Hulkageddon, they're refusing to even tank their ships because it might hurt ~their yield~. And then, when their quite frankly ridiculous decisions come back to bite them in the ass, they dogpile onto the game forums and bleat on about how THEY ARE QUITTING HULKAGEDDON MADE THEM QUIT YOU HAVE LOST A CUSTOMER CCP, which is just a pathetic attempt to use their subscriptions to hold CCP hostage and force a gameplay change that CCP clearly doesn't want to make.

That to me is about a thousand times worse than PVP'ers trying to make sure that a PVP game remains that way. We're lucky that CCP, for all of their flaws, is uncompromising when it comes to their vision of the game overall - lesser companies might not have been.

You really think we're going to drop 800-odd million ISK to gank an almost fully-insured T1 battleship, that doesn't even have expensive modules fit?

These people are so up their own ass that not only are they still flying Hulks during Hulkageddon, they're refusing to even tank their ships because it might hurt ~their yield~.

and bleat on about how THEY ARE QUITTING HULKAGEDDON MADE THEM QUIT YOU HAVE LOST A CUSTOMER CCP, which is just a pathetic attempt to use their subscriptions to hold CCP hostage and force a gameplay change that CCP clearly doesn't want to make.

I don't care what you do. I'm just pointing out (like many others) that ganking mining ships is the absolute height of bravery and PvP skill. Nothing in this game gives a player a higher merit of skill and dedication that having 90% of your kills as empire miner ganks and jetcan flips that turned out well against some 20-day newbie. It's so awesome, that I hear all the big null alliances are making a come back to Empire for this reason.

Since insultive sarcasm is the way you communicate, perhaps this will make more sense to you.

he is right about this.

its not about pilot skill or anything like that a 3mil ship shouldnt be able to kill a 300mil ship just because.... especially in highsec with no cost.

-10 alts in thrashers dont suffer because they just have an orca launch a ship for them, the sec penalty is irelivent.]

eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.

As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space.

Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.

Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.

The hulk itself is fine, but no idustrial ships with tanks exist. The hulk is like tier 3 BC, high yield , but no tank, mining needs a high tank lowyield ship built FOR MINERS, a BS can do it but it isn't in the miners skill plan.

I stopped following the thread at 5th page.
Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..."
You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug.

As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis.
You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable?
You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP .

If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment.
No idea why you opened this thread for at all.

Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.

This event is very important and is giving new players very exciting opportunities.

If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?

As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:

1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked.
2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked.
4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).

What am I missing?

I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself.