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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3039
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:45:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:
I don't generally bother arguing with Gewns (I can remote rep shields but I can't fix Gewnstupid), but I'll nibble:
If Orca's, which have more base HP than a Hulk's tanked HP are being destroyed, then tanking becomes irrelevant because all it takes is just an extra 1 or 2 blasterboats and you're dead.
I hope this has been helpful to you in explaining why tanking mining barges is dumb.
i can't tell if you're actually this dumb or if you're trolling, but given you're history i'm leaning towards the former
if you are harder to gank you will be ganked less often
now granted, if you're the sort of staffueresque moron who cries so much when you get ganked gankers simply must kill you then you'll die, of course, but otherwise you will die far less often if you've managed to figure out how to tank your hulk than if you are a staffuereque moron who can't figure out how |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3039
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:46:00 -
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Fendre wrote:And now for something completely different:
I got to this thread because today i got my retriever blown up in a suicide gank and i dont understand it.
I truly wonder why someone wants to waste a destroyer class ship to concord in order to blow up my mining ship? What is the fun in that?
That ship with the strip miners and things cost me about 13 m isk. I can afford that easily. No problem. I wont lose a moment of sleep over it. In fact, i have already replaced it.
I just didnt expect it., because i dont see the point why anyone wants to destroy his own ship in order to blow up mine. Just like that. Nothing more.
As there are so many childish people posting here, this seems to be the good place to ask why you are doing this.
its fun |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy
Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:49:00 -
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As predicted, the Gewn can't refute my argument, so he just resorts to insults.
In other news:
Clearly this guy should have tanked his Hulk. He would have totally survived if he had some - oh wait.
INB4 "derp derp"
Unrelated, but funny. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:00:00 -
[154] - Quote
At http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13263199 :
Actually, he only took 3742 damage. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3039
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:01:00 -
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"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3039
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:02:00 -
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ahahahahahahaha are you serious you don't get how killmails work do you
that npc rat sure did all that damage at once didn't it
also that's a staffueresque tank five destroyers was hilarious overkill |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3039
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:03:00 -
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that is a horrendous tank and that person deserved the ganking they recieved |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy
Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:03:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes
No actual argument? Okay then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and make sure to wipe my goo off your chin before you kiss your mom goodnight later.
Or don't.  |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy
Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:04:00 -
[159] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:ahahahahahahaha are you serious you don't get how killmails work do you that npc rat sure did all that damage at once didn't it also that's a staffueresque tank five destroyers was hilarious overkill
Just goes to show that not being AFK is a better defense than a good tank.
Since, y'know, 5 destroyers is considered overkill for a target with 40k HP.
Which is exactly my argument. Death is only 1 extra gunboat away.
Thanks for proving my points for me o/.  |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3040
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:10:00 -
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greetings,
allow me to explain how killmails work to you, a person who certainly does not have brain damage
you see, killmails include all the damage done over any length of time: this perticular killmail has the hulk perma-tanking an npc rat
that npc rat has been doing a constant amount of damage for hours, which is counteracted by the shield regen
however, when the Staffuer-tanked hulk is killed, all that damage (that doesn't at all contribute to the gank) is listed
this is why anyone without severe brain damage would subtract the npc rat damage from the 'total damage done'
seperately anyone who knows how to tank a hulk would roll over laughing at the idea 4 small shield extenders with no invulns or hardeners, no dcII, no reinforced bulkheads, and cargo rigs and expanders was a tank |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3040
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:11:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:Weaselior wrote:"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes No actual argument? Okay then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and make sure to wipe my goo off your chin before you kiss your mom goodnight later. Or don't.
arguments are wasted on those too dumb to understand them: instead, the dumb are subjected to mockery and used as an example to others who might not understand the issue and their Staffueresque flailing and embarassment used to drive home why one ought not eat paint chips |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3040
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:16:00 -
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for those who have not eaten paint chips: sure, if you irritate a group of gankers by acting like you're people you'll probably get ganked no matter what your tank is
if you have a respectable tank, however, the average ganking team - which is one or two people - will just go gank the people who took Staffuer's advice and decided a tank was unnecessary and rack up a ton more kills in the same time, and ignore you. after all, using five ships to take you down means four less killmails for those fifteen minutes |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries
Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:24:00 -
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Hahaha, wow.
Just wow. |
Mr Kobb
Professional Losers
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:28:00 -
[164] - Quote
ahaha.... ahahha, oh wait, your serious. AHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
68
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:30:00 -
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If you're in a low population system you can watch local and dock when it spikes. The gankers will need a lot more than 3 thrashers to take down a properly tanked hulk or an Orca. You see local go up be smart and dock up. Really would only work in a low population system though. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries
Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:34:00 -
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Danks wrote:If you're in a low population system you can watch local and dock when it spikes. The gankers will need a lot more than 3 thrashers to take down a properly tanked hulk or an Orca. You see local go up be smart and dock up. Really would only work in a low population system though.
Which, if you're mining in .5, it damn well better be.  |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
77
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:40:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yes. Shield recharge is an amazing thing isn't it? Sweet baby Jesus, if I was to sit there and tanked dps from a teensy Blood frigate for 12hrs before finally getting ganked by a couple high dps destroyers it would say total damage taken was several million on a Hulk.
Post with your main or GTFO!
If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries
Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:41:00 -
[168] - Quote
Clearly Blood frigs are OP, right Jacob?  |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
78
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:49:00 -
[169] - Quote
Rond Dorlezahn wrote:Clearly Blood frigs are OP, right Jacob?
Totally OP. Why should a 9,000 ISK bounty blood frig be able to do 40K dmg to my...Hulk...oh wait
Post with your main or GTFO!
If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:08:00 -
[170] - Quote
I'm going to ask what may be a possibly dumb question: Why mine in highsec? Lowsec is virtually abandoned, and can usually be found within a few jumps of the major trading lanes. The abandonment makes it really easy to keep an eye on local. Concord seems like poor protection compared to quick wits, a good understanding of local and a safespot or a station. |
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:54:00 -
[171] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.
And your hulk can easily avoid him if you don't play AFK and have the slightest clue what you're doing.
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money.
The first rule of Eve is to never fly what you can't afford to lose. The second rule is that there are no safe zones. The third is that everyone except your friends are out to get you if you're lucky, and sometimes your friends are too.
Jeremy Firewind wrote: Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
No, you choosing the wrong game without finding out about it gained CCP some free money they shouldn't have had. Next time pay attention to what you randomly subscribe to. You clearly didn't know that Eve is Darwin's wet dream, despite all the marketing and almost every post on the forum indicating such. |
Plekto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:01:00 -
[172] - Quote
Because you can't use a bot to mine in low. That damage he took (previous KM) is basically a rat chewing on him for several hours. Obvious bot in use.
About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:05:00 -
[173] - Quote
That is not how you tank. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1374
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:06:00 -
[174] - Quote
OP, when you are too stupid to do anything else in this game, you gank.
Because gankers are the stupidest of the stupid, they are easily avoided if you are a miner. When you quit, it's because you are either, entitled, lazy, or somehow even more retarted than the average ganker.
Shame on you.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
378
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
Plekto wrote:Because you can't use a bot to mine in low. That damage he took (previous KM) is basically a rat chewing on him for several hours. Obvious bot in use.
About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride)
I know you mean well, but damn, your understanding of game mechanics is a bit low.
A few quick pointers: projectiles don't need cap to fire (blasters do, but Catalysts aren't the exclusive gank boats); a passive targeter doesn't prevent the gankers knowing what you have fitted; you can't fire bombs in high-sec. |
AmIDeadyet
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:08:00 -
[176] - Quote
I hear PVP happened. I approve. |
Maximilian Jenious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:11:00 -
[177] - Quote
hi
no they say you in this post that ganker have a brain ;).
They don't see how big it is but they certainly have one.
One thing is sure, they prefere to be kill in high sec by concorde than in low / null sec by other player with a real brain.
It"s more exciting to kill a noob in high sec barge / exhumer than to kill an experimented warrior in low / null sec with a fighting ship .....
fly safe ;) |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
378
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:21:00 -
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Maximilian Jenious wrote:hi
no they say you in this post that ganker have a brain ;).
They don't see how big it is but they certainly have one.
One thing is sure, they prefere to be kill in high sec by concorde than in low / null sec by other player with a real brain.
It"s more exciting to kill a noob in high sec barge / exhumer than to kill an experimented warrior in low / null sec with a fighting ship .....
fly safe ;)
You're silly, the grand majority of gankers are null vets themselves. But I can see how a person who's never been to null would romanticize it as some kind of Mos Eisleyesque PvP heaven. |
Plekto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:25:00 -
[179] - Quote
Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK. |
Ketov Aktar
Grey Wolff
Valhalla demolition and industrial
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:43:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement.
That is be nice. |
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