In all seriousness CCP should just delete incursions, missions, mining and 0.0 - that way there would be no more problems. Perhaps if they did that then we could focus on things that really matter like new NEX store clothes, bounties and faction warfare. I just thought I'd throw that idea out there whilst we're being constructive and all..

WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LO/NULL SEC? It was a bit of a guarded secret but before the nerf lo sec systems were being done. Are they still ( a question for alts I suppose ) If the GOONs are to be believed they are giving up on the NULL incursions now

As a part of the incursion group you are speaking of I can confirm this CFC incursion group has has been shut down until something changes. :( It just isn't profitable for us anymore. The only incursions that will be done are the ones that are interrupting our our infrastructure.

I'm only posting this thread is to keep it at the top so that I may get some answers from soundwave regarding the questions in my original post . Seen here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1246349#post1246349

You guys need to stop pretending you care about the "communities."

There's no shame in saying you like having an isk printer.

Dude that is how i am feeling, At this minute i am not pleased with how Inferno is going so far, Its all about the community they say...

Oh look a State Navy Raven has been given to me!?! How nice!


Come on Soundwave, You are my favourite CCP Dev, Any update's?

Hey guys

We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:

Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.

For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.

Comments?

HI,
My Incursions income has gone down by around 50%, Sites take longer + less pay.

What is the acceptable income level for a Incursion runner ?

When I look back over the lest 5 months, My income was ( ABOUT ) 1/2 a bil pre day, 2Bil a week easy, Where is it all gone ?

I'm a FC, I need my ships at peak performance, My Ship + OGB, I supply Ore, Drones, and some time parts for the fleet.
YES, I did earn billions pre week, But I spent billions pre week on the fleet. after 5 months my ships are where I need them to be ( SHINY ships, Faction, Officer, and deepspace MODS ), Now is the time for me to sit back and earn some ISK.
I have invested billions in my Incursions career, I wound like to see a NICE return.

Blitzing is over, Good, I was falling asleep, with the new spawn list and Kill order, you need to be awake, The FLEET needs to be awake, it is sorting the MEN form the BOYS.
No more EASY ISK, the guys need to invest in their ship, Time, ISK and Skill, personal skills are in play, NO more PRESSING F1 and wait for the next Deltole Tegmentum to spawn.

Changes I would like to see
Reversing the 10% income change.
Remove the Mara Paleo for the spawn kILL list.

Yes, we will go back to earning some NICE ISK, Yes we will have to work for it.

Incursion should NOT be, join a fleet for a few days, earn 2 -3 billions, then go back to PVPing or what ever.
It should be a career.

Hey guys

We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:

Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.

For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.

Comments?

My 2 cents worth:

People did incursions for the isk and to a lesser extent the communal effect. It took a little time to get a fleet of 10 people together, but after you did, you made good isk. Along with that you got the opportunity to talk to other people via eve-voice, teamspeak or some other voice app. Now maybe the amount of isk made was a little much, but a lot of the people I flew with were PVPers and they took that isk, bought ships and went back to low sec for PVP. It also got to be quite tedious running site after site, knowing what to expect. In fact the only reason why I kept doing it was because I needed the isk.

It's been a couple of weeks since I've done an incursion, but last I seen, killing every ship of every wave sucked. Again we know what to expect, payout has been reduced, and the time to finish a site takes much longer. I've since quit doing incursions. Some may say I should start doing Assault sites as they are the new VG's, but it takes time to get and keep a fleet together, and the bigger the fleet the harder it is to sustain. VG's were good because fleets weren't overly difficult to sustain.

So, with the above in mind:

- reinstate the %10 for VG's
- get rid of the "kill every ship" trigger.

and the one that I think would really sell

- incorporate human interaction on the side of Sansha. Reward them with isk if they manage to kill or stop a human fleet. Not only would that introduce the element of surprise, but you would be creating a second community of player. While they wouldn't actually fly the Sansha ships as this would probably lead to cheating, they could pre-plan some things. I.E.

1. Allow them to pre-plan the defense for the Sansha fleet
- They pick which human ships to kill for priority (basi first, then battleships)
- They define the composition of the Sansha fleet, which ships and how many (within limits)
- They can pick the ship(s) that are trigger(s)
- They dictate the fitting of individual Sansha ships with modules (jammers, neuts, etc...)

The best plans get saved and CCP could reuse them for incursions in general. This line of reasoning could also be applied elsewhere in the game (lvl 4 missions, sleeper sites, etc...)

2. Let people control the logistics arrays. If they see a Deltole going down, they can focus repping power on it. If they do nothing with it, then it simply falls back to being AI controlled.

These are just a couple of examples, but the potential is there to increase the original popularity by a significant margin.

p.s. To all those people that are thinking low sec vs high sec , have you ever concidered that people actually invest to incursion to spend that money for your pvp ? Would you prefer to stop seeing them at your area , or start seeing them with cheap ships - fits ?

The thing I was hoping CCP would do and something that would be supported storyline would be...


Sansha are running low on resources, they realise that they cannot sustain these assaults against Concord and the Capsuleers

So He sells off the tech to the other pirate factions, so that they may be able to Invade Constellations using similar wormhole tech.

This would bring great variety and each Pirate faction would have slightly different problems to overcome.

Angel TP more and be higher DPS than current incursion NPC's

Dark Blood Neut more and have harder tanks

Shadow do high DPS at close range as well as dampen

Gursista use more ECM and have most flexible range for DPS.

The difference in what to expect in each type of incursion would mean needing to plan it differently and would remove the "cookie cutter" fleets. So all machs and all legions. Wouldn't just be the answer. You'd be forced to overcome different obstacles

Scout sites need attention due to their trivial reward. The lowest level incursion site should be designed for solo pilots in T1 Battlecruisers. Other sites should increment the difficulty/payout and build to suit small groups in the range of (2-11). Reshape the Vanguards payouts per pilots function to allow the largest viable Scout fleet to be larger than the smallest viable Vanguard fleet, and the largest viable Vanguard fleet to run as the lowest viable Assault fleet. The idea is to make it seamless to move to the next highest site.

Yes I have considered it, I'm pretty sure just about everyone that has criticized High Sec Incursions has done so as well. What you describe..players PvEing safely to buy shiny stuff to PvP with in a separate zone is Themepark MMO gameplay. It isn't appropriate for game that describes itself as both Sandbox and PvP and I and many others don't want it in this game. All the good farms must be in areas fully susceptible to PvP, anything less than this is going to negatively effect Risk vs Reward balance in EVE and be viewed as a failure on the part of CCP in delivering their game as advertised.

If this means you use cheap ships that's fine, that's your choice. If it means you don't play at all, that's fine to, better to lose a few players than turn EVE into Space WoW.

Seriously how the hell has not CCP listened to what we've been saying? I've been jumping up & down the forums, filing petitions, filling out bug reports and am getting a run around. The CSM's are by almost all accounts NULL & W-space only ( I've had contact with one whom told me the NERF went too far & he's the one who almost all in the incursion community would be surprised to say this ) and yet HI sec is what 70% of Eve I just talked to the armour FC's of the 95% of them I've talked to you have not consulted 1 of them I will not be surprised if at the end of my survey it'll be 100%.
I'm sorry but DEV's obviously here were out of touch. You had a sticky in General discussions but it sounds like it was flat out ignored by anyone actually doing incursions in so many ways.

Seriously how the hell has not CCP listened to what we've been saying? I've been jumping up & down the forums, filing petitions, filling out bug reports and am getting a run around. The CSM's are by almost all accounts NULL & W-space only ( I've had contact with one whom told me the NERF went too far & he's the one who almost all in the incursion community would be surprised to say this ) and yet HI sec is what 70% of Eve I just talked to the armour FC's of the 95% of them I've talked to you have not consulted 1 of them I will not be surprised if at the end of my survey it'll be 100%.
I'm sorry but DEV's obviously here were out of touch. You had a sticky in General discussions but it sounds like it was flat out ignored by anyone actually doing incursions in so many ways.

For one thing, a lot of players are just as passionate in their agreeance with CCP having nerfed incursions. In fact most people I know in game honestly wish incursions had never been introduced.

For another, you are filing petitions and bug reports in order to QQ over incursions? I honestly think you should be banned for that, those are not the proper channels for that kind of a grievance and all you are doing is helping to degrade customer service for people with genuine issues.

Most people I know disagree with you. You think I should be banned for filing petitions & bug reports? WOW are you stupid as your posts are in real life. I can hardly believe Your trolling is believed by CCP but then again look at what CCP's aux paus have been like the past year

Tippia although I disagree with I respect in her numbers based arguements. You have not made a cogent arguement based on a verifiable statisic yet

Of course most people you know would disagree with me, from what I have seen you literally do nothing but run incursions. That doesn't exactly open you up to a varied Eve online demographic.

As for numbers based arguments, I believe me and Tippia repeatedly smashed your attempts to use statistics
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