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Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 18:59:00 - [121] Originally by: Beregga I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly understand his thesis so to speak. The problem is that it's just a candy coating around a turd of whining and bellyaching. The thesis can be rejected prima facie so that we can safely mock and snark the core problem, that he had his poor little feelings hurt by a bad encounter with a bad player. Again with the whining and belly-aching. FYI, tossing latin into a sentence doesn't make your argument more intelligent. If you can't address the point of the OP, then exactly why are you posting in my thread? Troll much? Originally by: Beregga Of course making personal threats and seeking out personal information about a player who has done you wrong is a bad thing, and something that IMO should be worthy of mod intervention. I don't think anyone has really disagreed with that point. I should hope not! Originally by: Beregga Hitching this complaint to the unoriginal and idiotic axe-grinding that people who play different roles in a game that is highly original in its multi-faceted complexity with dozens of potential economic niches, all of which pose layers of challenge at different stages of character development are doing it wrong, doesn't speak highly of either your, or the OP's understanding of the scope of the game. This is the longest single sentence I've seen in a while! Nowhere in the OP was there any mention attacking carebears for what they do. Nowhere did I say they were doing it wrong. The OP expresses the point that the most emotionally unstable group of players in Eve are not the griefers, but the carebears who consider themselves stable pillars of the Eve community. Is it possible that you sir, are trolling in my thread?!? Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Spurty Caldari Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:01:00 - [122] har har .. this gave me a great idea. CCP should get the rats to appear in local as players and have them screaming at the players as they kill em. Now, imagine losing local and having all of these npcs in local screaming at the one person ratting. Imagine being the scout .. "There's 220 people in here! Oh nos!" Oh the evil genius of it all .. You think carebears give you a hard time? Try tanking a war dec gang and docking up as you are out classed and out numbered. The obscenities .. its far worse than any 50year old guy mining asteroids and getting a can flipped can spew. In fact, the only thing thats true here from the OPs post is : "Take someone's reward away and they get upset". Apply that to any "HOW EVE WAS DESIGNED TO BE PLAYED" career (What a lot of tosh that call is) and you get people upset, on TS, Vent, Private Intel Channels or local. Originally by: Butter Dog I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:02:00 - [123] There is no point to address in the OP. Just keep on trolling. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Beregga	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:09:00 - [124] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Beregga I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly understand his thesis so to speak. The problem is that it's just a candy coating around a turd of whining and bellyaching. The thesis can be rejected prima facie so that we can safely mock and snark the core problem, that he had his poor little feelings hurt by a bad encounter with a bad player. Again with the whining and belly-aching. FYI, tossing latin into a sentence doesn't make your argument more intelligent. If you can't address the point of the OP, then exactly why are you posting in my thread? Troll much? Because mocking your perpetual whining provides meager entertainment on a slow afternoon. But it's not quite certain exactly what you want addressed that hasn't been addressed? Are you **ed off because complaining about personal attacks and phone calls is trivially agreeable? Or are you ed off because not everyone is jumping onto your bandwagon that it's all due to how we play the game? Quote: Originally by:** Beregga Hitching this complaint to the unoriginal and idiotic axe-grinding that people who play different roles in a game that is highly original in its multi-faceted complexity with dozens of potential economic niches, all of which pose layers of challenge at different stages of character development are doing it wrong, doesn't speak highly of either your, or the OP's understanding of the scope of the game. This is the longest single sentence I've seen in a while! Nowhere in the OP was there any mention attacking carebears for what they do. Nowhere did I say they were doing it wrong. The OP expresses the point that the most emotionally unstable group of players in Eve are not the griefers, but the carebears who consider themselves stable pillars of the Eve community. It really doesn't help your case to pile on denial and double-speak onto your bellyaching.
Beregga	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:16:00 - [125] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Is it possible that you sir, are trolling in my thread?!? Of course dear. It is my sworn duty as a carebear to provide what you need, whether it be manufactured modules and ammunition, or a foil to an amazing troll that has involved alternating duplicity and bellyaching.
Nagen	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:18:00 - [126] Carebears who would verbally insult you for pvp are the kind that have trouble separating virtual and real world in their mind. They would quote real life laws to you and tell you that you'd be in prison now if only they knew your address, totally forgetting that what they are raging about is just a few pixels, stuff that doesn't even exist. It is not that they are sociopaths. It is that they take what happens to them in virtual world with same seriousness as if it was real. Which does demonstrate some sort of mental error in way they perceive things. Not sure what to call it though :)
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:20:00 - [127] Originally by: Beregga Because mocking your perpetual whining provides meager entertainment on a slow afternoon. At least you admit to being a troll. Originally by: Beregga But it's not quite certain exactly what you want addressed that hasn't been addressed? Are you **ed off because complaining about personal attacks and phone calls is trivially agreeable? Or are you ed off because not everyone is jumping onto your bandwagon that it's all due to how we play the game? I'm not ed, silly. I'm highly entertained during a slow afternoon here at work. If you think for a moment that the OP is nothing more than thinly veiled attempt at trolling that managed to get to page 5 and keep me entertained, well... Originally by:** Beregga It really doesn't help your case to pile on denial and double-speak onto your bellyaching. blah blah blah, thanks for the posts. If you thought this was good, you should see my diatribes on C&P trying to convince lo-sec pirates that they are not pirates, but in fact second-rate extortionists not worthy of the title "pirate". TY for being a big feather in my cap. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Arkyk Viper Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:59:00 - [128] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Arkyk Playing to ruin the game for other people seems to be a popular past time for a lot of EvE players, I'm noticing (Carebear or not). Indeed. I wonder how many self-professed mature and level-headed pirates (such as the OP himself) would still play the game if it were not for the pleasure in upsetting players in real life. If one were to believe all the epeen-waving that is done, specifically in C&P, I'd be willing to wager that there are lots of players more than willing and eager to grief simply because it's fun and entertaining to see others engorged in misery. I'm of the mindset that those that enjoy provoking anger and rage are just as ill as those that are easily provoked. People say that who you are on the internet is not who you are in real life, but I tend to disagree somewhat. I think the motivation for people's actions in a virtual setting speak volumes about who they are in real life, especially in a sandbox like EvE with little to no consequences. Show me someone who gets their kicks can-baiting newbies just because they like to cause misery for another player, and I'll show you someone I don't want as a friend in real life. Unfortunately, the anonymous nature of the internet makes it difficult to correlate the two groups with any certainty.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:06:00 - [129] Originally by: Beregga Originally by: Sol'Kanar Is it possible that you sir, are trolling in my thread?!? Of course dear. It is my sworn duty as a carebear to provide what you need, whether it be manufactured modules and ammunition, or a foil to an amazing troll that has involved alternating duplicity and bellyaching. Don't be surprised when people completely gloss over your posts and my admissions and carry this onto page six. These things can develop a life of their own. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Mujir	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:35:00 - [130] Originally by: Arkyk People say that who you are on the internet is not who you are in real life, but I tend to disagree somewhat. I think the motivation for people's actions in a virtual setting speak volumes about who they are in real life, especially in a sandbox like EvE with little to no consequences. Show me someone who gets their kicks can-baiting newbies just because they like to cause misery for another player, and I'll show you someone I don't want as a friend in real life. Unfortunately, the anonymous nature of the internet makes it difficult to correlate the two groups with any certainty. EDIT: So I guess, to the OPs point: No, I wouldn't want to know someone in RL who threatened to kill my family because I blew up his virtual space ship. =P Virtual world is not same as real world. You motivations for doing something in virtual world cannot be perfectly translated onto real world like you are suggesting. In EVE, I made half my fortune through scamming. In real life I have had many chances to scam and get away with it earning real life money in process. I didn't take them because it wasn't right.
Brazero Amarr Noble House	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:25:00 - [131] Originally by: Pres Obama When someone makes me mad I just take a break to pray that 1. they have a favorite pet & 2. someone runs over their favorite pet. Who gives a frack about you being mad, hiding behind a keyboard somewhere. You're just another lame noob that's all. Oh, and you're the closest to a favorite pet we'll ever get. Maybe someone runs over you some day. Originally by: Rodj Blake CCP are planning to give Amarrians some "oomph" Unfortunately, "oomph" is the sound one makes when kicked repeatedly in the ribs.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:30:00 - [132] Originally by: Nagen Carebears who would verbally insult you for pvp are the kind that have trouble separating virtual and real world in their mind. They would quote real life laws to you and tell you that you'd be in prison now if only they knew your address, totally forgetting that what they are raging about is just a few pixels, stuff that doesn't even exist. In this case, however, the sociopathic carebears got under our vaunted can-flipper's skin . . . and he has come to us for affirmation. Who else wants a hug?
Cybele Lanier Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:36:00 - [133] Originally by: Xan'sibal Just a few days of ninja salvaging brought me this nice little gem of rage. He got his command ship concorded too, poor fella'. Screenie What I love about that is in between the death threats, you've got someone hawking missile launchers. That's EVE in a nutshell. --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence."
Jaelyn Keris Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:37:00 - [134] Do sociopaths not revel in the tears of their victims? "Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others." Also, I talk a lot.
Labratory Rat	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:54:00 - [135] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Ignorant comments from a clearly insulated player not relating to the focus of this thread. Do you just like to see words you wrote next to your avatar on the Internet? While I wont comment regarding the focus of this thread, you clearly like to see your words next to your avatar on the Internet! {lease don't feed the trolls
Arkyk Viper Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:58:00 - [136] Originally by: Mujir Virtual world is not same as real world. You motivations for doing something in virtual world cannot be perfectly translated onto real world like you are suggesting. In EVE, I made half my fortune through scamming. In real life I have had many chances to scam and get away with it earning real life money in process. I didn't take them because it wasn't right. I didn't say they transferred perfectly. =) And remember I said "motivation", not "action". Why a person does something in the virtual world is relevant, in my opinion. The what is generally inconsequential. Scamming is a what. It's practically an accepted game mechanic for accruing wealth nowadays. I wouldn't expect someone to take virtual property rights as seriously as real property rights, just as I wouldn't expect an in-game pirate to be a murderous thug in real life. The actions in one do not reflect the other. The real question is, why do you scam? Do you do it for the ISK (ingame action for an ingame reward), or do you do it because you get a kick out of causing misery to another person behind his/her keyboard (ingame action for a RL result)? Can flipping is another example of a what. It's the motivation behind it that important. If you can-flip a Hulk, you might be trying to get their valuable modules should they fall for your trap. However, griefing a 2-day old in a Bantam because you think it's fun to hurt someone else in a consequence-free environment is a different matter entirely. It's the difference between playing the game to get ahead in the game, and playing the game to cause pain to people. Much like the OP's examples of people making real-life threats and harassing phone calls, I would consider people in this category as people I wouldn't want to hang around in real life.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 22:17:00 - [137] Originally by: Labratory Rat While I wont comment regarding the focus of this thread, you clearly like to see your words next to your avatar on the Internet! {lease don't feed the trolls No u.
Ashlynn Z	Posted - 2009.04.20 22:18:00 - [138] Originally by: Jaelyn Keris Do sociopaths not revel in the tears of their victims? "Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others." So, PvPers are sociopaths? Well, that certainly explains a lot... :)
Rhinanna Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.20 22:22:00 - [139] Good Idea - Assuming humans do stupid things, like threatening or even killing each other because of actions in a game. Bad Idea - Assuming how they choose to play a game makes people more or less likely to do that. Good Idea - Pirates are less likely to get mad because they lose more ships in general Bad Idea - Assuming that the pirate wouldn't get just as mad if he lost a ship he wasn't prepared to lose Good Idea - Posting constructive critism Bad Idea - Trolling by randomly insulting OP just cos people have whined about this before Good Idea - Ninja-Looting/Pirating Bad Idea - Trying it again on me Sol you ***** :) You didn't get me last time and you won't get me again and now I've moved my PvP rifter to nearby :) I may not be able to kill your CS but I'll give your stilleto scout ship a try ;)
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.20 22:31:00 - [140] Thread delivers I really worry about some people who play videogames. There was this one guy I used to kill in another game and ev ery single time I did it he'd get so mad I was afraid he'd burst a blood vessel in his brain and fall over dead at his keyboard. I felt like getting him one of those mini zen gardens.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 22:39:00 - [141] There's two types of stupid gamers: Dweebs and Dorks. Dorks we all know. These guys take their game out into real life. They wear "EverQuest" tee shirts, dress up and do LARP, that kind of thing. You can usually find this poor creature sitting in the food court at the mall talking about his level 80 warlock and how great the last raid was. Dweebs, though ... they're very similar, but fundamentally different. A dweeb can't separate his real life from his game. He usually breaks down into threats, insults, even likes to brag about how big he is and how he'd kick your ass in real life. Dweebs are also known to try to bring 'courage' and 'cowardice' into every game action, which really is just showing their hand that THEY require courage to do simple things in this video game. This is an imaginary world. It's fantasy. Its pretend. It doesn't require any courage or steely resolve to do anything, any more than your three year old fighting dragons in your back yard. In fact, if you need to grab your courage to undock ... you might need to rethink your life. Do something for real, join the military, climb a mountain. There's real courage, and imaginary life doesn't come close. IF you can't separate the actions of other players from real life, you are disturbed in the head. If you think that every time some player comes by and blows up your ship, you have SERIOUS EMOTIONAL ISSUES. If you see every can-swap attempt as a personal affront, you need to visit a doctor. Because it's a GAME. Do you hate those NPC's your killing? Probably don't even give them a second thought. Player-versus-player interaction is no different. You killing someone else doesn't make you a better person, or smarter, or stronger. Cause the game is simple enough that twelve year olds can excel in it. Time to grow up, and separate the imaginary space ships from your real world. Quit taking it so personally, play your game, and have fun. By the way, on the whole 'sandbox' issue. You know what a true sandbox is? A small enclosed space with just a few toys. You CAN go off in your corner and play with your own toys, but there is nothing stopping other people from coming over and interrupting you. THAT is a sandbox. It's not a license to play undisturbed how you want ... it's a license to play how you want, despite others. That includes the ability to take the toys away from everyone else. THAT is a sandbox. Freedom. It's often a nice principle, but most like the idea ONLY if they get to make the rules for everyone else. Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Onus Mian Amarr Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:22:00 - [142] Quote: In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. I think most people would agree that its the loud ones who constantly try and big themselves up by making up sweeping statement about the shortfallings of others which annoy them the most. ---- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
Onus Mian Amarr Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:24:00 - [143] Quote: In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. I think most people would agree that its the loud ones who constantly try and big themselves up by making up sweeping statement about the shortfallings of others which annoy them the most. ---- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:26:00 - [144] Originally by: Onus Mian Quote: In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. I think most people would agree that its the loud ones who constantly try and big themselves up by making up sweeping statement about the shortfallings of others which annoy them the most. The difference between EvE, and Real Life, is one is imaginary and doesn't actually matter. What in gods name causes someone to care about some anonymous digital representation talking about how great he is? WHY is that annoying? It makes no sense. That character/forum personality DOESNT REALLY EXIST. It's like holding a grudge against a character in a fantasy novel. Sure, the character is dislikable, but he's not even real. Why hold a grudge? Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Onus Mian Amarr Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:41:00 - [145] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Onus Mian Quote: In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. I think most people would agree that its the loud ones who constantly try and big themselves up by making up sweeping statement about the shortfallings of others which annoy them the most. The difference between EvE, and Real Life, is one is imaginary and doesn't actually matter. What in gods name causes someone to care about some anonymous digital representation talking about how great he is? WHY is that annoying? It makes no sense. That character/forum personality DOESNT REALLY EXIST. It's like holding a grudge against a character in a fantasy novel. Sure, the character is dislikable, but he's not even real. Why hold a grudge? You're already assuming that what the OP stated is universally true of all those that don't choose to partake in combat PvP. I suppose you also agree with him and every single pirate and thief in Eve is a well-rounded and decent individual in real life. Oh please people are just people. You get **ers in all walks of life and you can't make assumptions about whole groups of people based on the actions of a few individuals. I've worked with the public so I know quite well how easily a * can ruin your day and cause you to forget all those friendly and polite people you've dealt with beforehand. I'm just not stupid enough to think that all the general public are ***s and know that its just a minority. I'm also intellegent enough to know that sometimes the person that has just been an arse to you might have been having a bad day and that it isn't indicitive of their normal behaviour. ---- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
steveid Killed In Action The Firm.	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:44:00 - [146] this is so true. If you ever doubt it watch the tank ceo video
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 23:51:00 - [147] Originally by: Onus Mian Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Onus Mian Quote: In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. I think most people would agree that its the loud ones who constantly try and big themselves up by making up sweeping statement about the shortfallings of others which annoy them the most. The difference between EvE, and Real Life, is one is imaginary and doesn't actually matter. What in gods name causes someone to care about some anonymous digital representation talking about how great he is? WHY is that annoying? It makes no sense. That character/forum personality DOESNT REALLY EXIST. It's like holding a grudge against a character in a fantasy novel. Sure, the character is dislikable, but he's not even real. Why hold a grudge? You're already assuming that what the OP stated is universally true of all those that don't choose to partake in combat PvP. I suppose you also agree with him and every single pirate and thief in Eve is a well-rounded and decent individual in real life. Oh please people are just people. You get **ers in all walks of life and you can't make assumptions about whole groups of people based on the actions of a few individuals. I've worked with the public so I know quite well how easily a * can ruin your day and cause you to forget all those friendly and polite people you've dealt with beforehand. I'm just not stupid enough to think that all the general public are *s and know that its just a minority. I'm also intellegent enough to know that sometimes the person that has just been an arse to you might have been having a bad day and that it isn't indicitive of their normal behaviour. You're writing my assumptions for me? No, your correct in the fact that there are idiots and fools in all walks of life. And I agree, people have a bad day. There are *s who pirate, and *s who mission run, but so far I've let a lot more calm and levelheaded individuals who partake in PvP than those who don't. I personally can't stand pirating myself, but view pirates as players just as much as me. The issue is that the players who pirate and pvp are often very cool about it. The players who I've seen get ganked/stolen from, however, are most often NOT. Generalities? Possibly. But it's also personal experience. But that being said, I disagree. *s, ***s, fools and idiots ARE the majority. Originally by:** 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------\|\|\|-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.21 00:04:00 - [148] Originally by: Rhinanna Good Idea - Assuming humans do stupid things, like threatening or even killing each other because of actions in a game. Bad Idea - Assuming how they choose to play a game makes people more or less likely to do that. Good Idea - Pirates are less likely to get mad because they lose more ships in general Bad Idea - Assuming that the pirate wouldn't get just as mad if he lost a ship he wasn't prepared to lose Good Idea - Posting constructive critism Bad Idea - Trolling by randomly insulting OP just cos people have whined about this before Good Idea - Ninja-Looting/Pirating Bad Idea - Trying it again on me Sol you ***** :) You didn't get me last time and you won't get me again and now I've moved my PvP rifter to nearby :) I may not be able to kill your CS but I'll give your stilleto scout ship a try ;) Bad Idea - fitting over a billion worth of mods on a T1 battlecruiser Good Idea - fitting an oversized AB to outrun me in a mission GD it.
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.04.21 00:05:00 - [149] I fart on this thread. A soup bean and cabbage fart.......
Jhoria Englside Caldari Another Stupid Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.21 00:05:00 - [150] OP IS WRONBG CAREBEARS DONT CAUSE ALL THESE PROBLEMS ITS THE PIRATES THAT DO IT DONT TRY BLAMING US FOR ALL OF THIS ITS YOYUA ND YOUR ILK THAT CAUSE ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE GAME I EVEN THINK YOU CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING AND SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH IN AMERICA I THINK IM GOING TO KEPT RANTING HERE IN ALL CAPS AND WITHOUT PERIODS JUST TO MAKE THE TEXT APPEAR UNIFORM CAUSE I DONT THINK ANYONE WILL REALLY READ ALL OF THIS AND IF THEY DO IT WILL BE WAY DOWN THE LINE AND STUFF OH WAIT HERE AT THE END I NEED TO MAKE IT SOUND REAL SO THE FIRST FEW PEOPLE WHO RESPOND DONT MISTAKENLY LET THEIR EYES WANDER AND THEN HE BLEW ME UP AND I LOST ALL MY STUFF AND HE HAD A FRIEND POP MY POD TOO AND I LOST MY +2 IMPLANTS AND I DIDNT HAVE AN UPDATED CLONE AND IT SUCKED!! WHY WOULD HE DO THIS FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN JUST TO GREIF ME?

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