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Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:10:00 - [1] We've all seen it. The quiet and seemingly level-headed carebear having a wonderful time in his isolated perception of Eve. Courteous and polite, this friendly and often jovial inhabitant toils away at mining rocks or doing his part to rid the universe of infinitely re-spawning NPCs. It doesn't take much, however, to bring this brittle facade crumbling down. This once stable pillar of Eve society quickly collapses into a hateful sociopath spewing vitriol and real life threats. What heinous act could elicit such a change in demeanor? What outrageous event causes such polar behaviour? Steal their ore. Steal their salvage. Steal their loot. Shoot their ship. In other words, play the game the way it was intended, and a once rational player becomes a hateful sociopath hell-bent on hurting you in game and out. I've seen carebears petition another player for an offensive name not because they were offended by it, but because they were angry and wanted to "ruin" another player any way they can. I've watched them unload with a laundry list of personal attacks about me, my mother, and my own children. I've been personally threatened with bodily harm more times than I can count because I won a fight or stole something in game. I submit to you that the pirates and thieves of Eve are more level-headed and well-adjusted than those they antagonize. I've tangled with other pirates and thieves, and win or lose, have never been subject to the abuses I so regularly receive from carebears. In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about.
Harukin	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:13:00 - [2] Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:15:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? If you don't like it, go build your own MMO.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Harukin Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:14:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? Fail troll. Did you even read the OP? Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game. Whether someone likes or not doesn't warrant personal attacks and threats.
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:20:00 - [4] generalisation as an art form? ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:20:00 - [5] Haha, its too true. They do tend to go absolutely ballistic when you flip a can... Hell, I've got the Eve-mail threats to prove it. I remember some outspoken chap reprimand me by flying out and shooting my Battle-BadgerÖ with his deadly T1 fit Merlin. "steeling cans will get u shot" he says... And then, when I realise that it was shooting he wanted... I switched ships but he decided to hide in his station for 15 minutes. "omg u expect me to fight u" was the reply I recieved... My Wolf was hungry for a bit of angry carebear, but alas - she was never fed. Apparently I expected him to fight when he was the guy who shot first! Terrible. Now I do tend to get my Carebear on and mine a lot in high sec - it's generally because I'm lazy more than anything, but I will always honor a throwdown.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:22:00 - [6] Well duh! The pirates and thieves have long realized that this is just a game, a game that they can walk away from because Concord isn't going to hunt them down in RL. Pirates and thieves know they're not cool in RL, nor in Eve, and it doesn't bother them because they've become accustomed to being useless pimples on the rear end of society. OTOH, carebears have taken living in a stable, well-adjusted, regulated society for granted and are overly shocked when introduced to a Somalia-like situation for the first time. Don't be overly harsh on them. Imagine what it would be like if you, a thieving pirate, were suddenly put into a situation where you were actually responsible for your actions and where your actions had an impact on real people instead. It's one thing to mess with someone's virtual bits, it's quite another to cause RL harm to a fellow human being.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Harukin Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:14:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? Fail troll. Did you even read the OP? Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game. Whether someone likes or not doesn't warrant personal attacks and threats. "Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game." Read that part, again. If you can't handle personal attacks, become a carebear. Or don't. Your choice.
Southern Suzy Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:25:00 - [8] evemail me some ingame names, i'd love to have fun with hem So wait this is the end of my post allready? I'm not in multiple alliances to spy! I'm in them so I'll always be on the winning team
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Vak'ran generalisation as an art form? Am I saying all carebears are sociopaths? No. I'm saying sociopaths tend to be carebears. The rest are just sheep.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Esu Nahalas Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Harukin Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:14:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? Fail troll. Did you even read the OP? Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game. Whether someone likes or not doesn't warrant personal attacks and threats. "Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game." Read that part, again. If you can't handle personal attacks, become a carebear. Or don't. Your choice. So you're telling me a player is justified in doing a whois on my domain and calling me at my house? Seriously?
Exlegion Caldari New Light	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:29:00 - [11] It only takes a visit to the Crime & Punishment section of the forums to see the whole side of the story. This "pirates and thieves of Eve are more level-headed and well-adjusted than those they antagonize" is just an agenda you wish to propogate to smear the image of players you don't like (dare I say hate). There are immature, spiteful, sociopaths equally on both sides of the fence. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Vak'ran generalisation as an art form? Am I saying all carebears are sociopaths? No. I'm saying sociopaths tend to be carebears. The rest are just sheep. no... i'm quite sure you were saying carebears are sociopaths, not using 'all' in there doesn't make it less of a generalisation ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Vak'ran no... i'm quite sure you were saying carebears are sociopaths, not using 'all' in there doesn't make it less of a generalisation No... I'm quite sure you lack the reading comprehension required to understand the OP. Maybe you should read it again and point out the parts where "all" carebears is implied.
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:32:00 - [14] Justified? No. It just seems odd that you engage in behavior intended to provoke a reaction and then justify it yourself by stating it's simply a part of the game design (which it is). The part where you hand out your phone number to creeps on the interweb I cannot fathom.
Governor LePetomane Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:32:00 - [15] You know who I can't stand? Explorers. Smug, invisible bastards.
Beregga	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Haha, its too true. They do tend to go absolutely ballistic when you flip a can... Hell, I've got the Eve-mail threats to prove it. Hah. The first time I got can-flipped, the flipper lurked 500m off my bow for over 15 minutes watching me make up my losses while I ignored the can she left with my timecode.
Angel Lightbringer Caldari Nexus Shipyards	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Sol'Kanar In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. So much truth from a Dodixie griefer. If you have proofs of personal grief, petition it. Problem solved. Ok, in all good fairness I have to agree that personal threat should never arise from gaming, but some people value their time in game as any other activity, and when someone come and wreck things up, well, I can understand the frustration. Can't you? just a little? or at least, understand their point of view? -Angel
Pres Obama	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:34:00 - [18] When someone makes me mad I just take a break to pray that 1. they have a favorite pet & 2. someone runs over their favorite pet.
Vak'ran	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Vak'ran no... i'm quite sure you were saying carebears are sociopaths, not using 'all' in there doesn't make it less of a generalisation No... I'm quite sure you lack the reading comprehension required to understand the OP. Maybe you should read it again and point out the parts where "all" carebears is implied. no mate, im done with you I'm gonna shrug, like i do when my ores are stolen, you are clearly as unworthy of further attention on the forums as you are ingame ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Exlegion It only takes a visit to the Crime & Punishment section of the forums to see the whole side of the story. This "pirates and thieves of Eve are more level-headed and well-adjusted than those they antagonize" is just an agenda you wish to propogate to smear the image of players you don't like (dare I say hate). There are immature, spiteful, sociopaths equally on both sides of the fence. lol, Yes that's it. It's clearly a smear campaign on carebears because I "don't like them". I don't mind being vilified in game. The real villains are the ones who make things personal. In all my experience, the ones who make it personal have all been carebears.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:36:00 - [21] Personally I've seen just as many non-carebears act and type out utterly offensive or childish things as the carebears. I think it all boils down to the confidence of sitting anonymously behind a computer. There's no consequence. I would bet that 99% or more of these internet warriors would not have the cajones to say the things they do to anyone's face. Oh wait, every one of them is 6'4" 250lbs and works out every day, or so they say.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Sol'Kanar We've all seen it. The quiet and seemingly level-headed carebear having a wonderful time in his isolated perception of Eve. Courteous and polite, this friendly and often jovial inhabitant toils away at mining rocks or doing his part to rid the universe of infinitely re-spawning NPCs. It doesn't take much, however, to bring this brittle facade crumbling down. This once stable pillar of Eve society quickly collapses into a hateful sociopath spewing vitriol and real life threats. What heinous act could elicit such a change in demeanor? What outrageous event causes such polar behaviour? Steal their ore. Steal their salvage. Steal their loot. Shoot their ship. In other words, play the game the way it was intended, and a once rational player becomes a hateful sociopath hell-bent on hurting you in game and out. I've seen carebears petition another player for an offensive name not because they were offended by it, but because they were angry and wanted to "ruin" another player any way they can. I've watched them unload with a laundry list of personal attacks about me, my mother, and my own children. I've been personally threatened with bodily harm more times than I can count because I won a fight or stole something in game. I submit to you that the pirates and thieves of Eve are more level-headed and well-adjusted than those they antagonize. I've tangled with other pirates and thieves, and win or lose, have never been subject to the abuses I so regularly receive from carebears. In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. And people deliberately griefing other players just to see them cry and rage is so much more emotionally stable, isn't it? Honestly, what do you expect when you attack players who do not want to be involved in PvP? Yes, it's all in the game rules, but you have to expect getting a little flak if you want to deliberately annoy people. I bet if you stole a candy bar from a child, you'd be surprised when the parent punched you. Pirates are part of the game, but some tend to over-estimate their own psychology, assuming that they are perfectly balanced without ever really questioning their own actions. That is, until they are on the receiving end of some grief. I'm not going to tell you to stop doing it, but you have to be damn stupid if you don't expect some kind of fallout. These aren't NPCs you are dealing with, they are real people, and real people can be unpredictable. And you'll find your criminal brethren will react with equal unpredictability if you do the same to them. But then, they are more likely to shoot back, aren't they?
A Pacifist	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Esu Nahalas Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Harukin Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:14:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? Fail troll. Did you even read the OP? Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game. Whether someone likes or not doesn't warrant personal attacks and threats. "Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game." Read that part, again. If you can't handle personal attacks, become a carebear. Or don't. Your choice. You get a C- for reading comprehension. He said it was part of the game, not a part of the game. The only place you are safe in eve is docked in a station, this basic concept has been pretty well established. Carebears can play however they like, just the same as pirates, scammers, and canflippers.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:40:00 - [24] I got called very nasty names last night and all I did was fly into someones mission area. I hadn't even touched the can. Heck I didn't even know a can was there. I was just curious why a Hulk was where it was in space. I never call people nasty names in this game. It is uncalled for. It shows ones immaturity when one does that short of thing. But, what can I say, it just gives me another reason why I should do what I do to mission runners. They are not nice people. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Esu Nahalas Justified? No. It just seems odd that you engage in behavior intended to provoke a reaction and then justify it yourself by stating it's simply a part of the game design (which it is). The behavior I engage in is intended to make isk. The responses can be comical provided it remains civil. I make quite a lot of isk doing what I do, and I prefer to play with other people in the game and not rocks or NPCs. To each his own, of course.
Exlegion Caldari New Light	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:43:00 - [26] Sol'Kanar, I read some of your previous posts and what's ironic is that you seem to derive pleasure and enjoyment from causing grief to other players. You don't find that a little and remotely sociopathic? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:44:00 - [27] Originally by: A Pacifist Originally by: Esu Nahalas Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Harukin Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:14:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? Fail troll. Did you even read the OP? Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game. Whether someone likes or not doesn't warrant personal attacks and threats. "Coping with unsavory elements is part of the game." Read that part, again. If you can't handle personal attacks, become a carebear. Or don't. Your choice. You get a C- for reading comprehension. He said it was part of the game, not a part of the game. The only place you are safe in eve is docked in a station, this basic concept has been pretty well established. Carebears can play however they like, just the same as pirates, scammers, and canflippers. Knee Jerk Reactions: A Lesson Planning: D- (for trying to teach me the game)
Angel Lightbringer Caldari Nexus Shipyards	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:45:00 - [28] Originally by: FlyinS Personally I've seen just as many non-carebears act and type out utterly offensive or childish things as the carebears. I think it all boils down to the confidence of sitting anonymously behind a computer. There's no consequence. I would bet that 99% or more of these internet warriors would not have the cajones to say the things they do to anyone's face. Oh wait, every one of them is 6'4" 250lbs and works out every day, or so they say. thumbs up just this, for real. Way too many e{Personality\|honor\|peen\|whatever}, just because in real life, there ARE consequences... "I am a good guy, IRL" yeah... -Angel
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Angel Lightbringer So much truth from a Dodixie griefer. Relevance? Originally by: Angel Lightbringer If you have proofs of personal grief, petition it. Problem solved. Whether or not it gets petitioned by me is not the focus of this thread. Originally by: Angel Lightbringer Ok, in all good fairness I have to agree that personal threat should never arise from gaming, but some people value their time in game as any other activity, and when someone come and wreck things up, well, I can understand the frustration. Can't you? just a little? or at least, understand their point of view? Frustration? Sure! I get frustrated all the time. Would I ever feel justified in threatening someone out of game? How about a resounding no?
Esu Nahalas The Night Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.20 14:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Originally by: Esu Nahalas Justified? No. It just seems odd that you engage in behavior intended to provoke a reaction and then justify it yourself by stating it's simply a part of the game design (which it is). The behavior I engage in is intended to make isk. The responses can be comical provided it remains civil. I make quite a lot of isk doing what I do, and I prefer to play with other people in the game and not rocks or NPCs. To each his own, of course. Your intention to make isk has a consequence (called an adverse reaction). You allegedly received some adverse reactions, and decided to share your distress with us. Perhaps you should embrace your inner carebear.

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