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123GuessWho	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:40:00 - [181] Originally by: Tian Jade Yes, some "Carebears" are Idiots, but some of the biggest ******s I have ever met, consider themselves PvPers. Everything is about Killboards. How great Alliance X is and how they love trashtalk, scam and so on. Yes thats goonswarm but they don't count, they are just a mass grouping of kiddy carebears with bad attitudes
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:42:00 - [182] Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: Ratchman And people deliberately griefing other players just to see them cry and rage is so much more emotionally stable, isn't it? it's not emotionally stable it's just pathetic. I call it a good tactic. An untanked hauler carring 2 billion in cargo AFK across empire is a very tempting target. So who is the pathetic one? Me for forcing pvp upon him and making him cry/rage or him not taking even the most basic steps to protect himself?
Rhinanna Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.21 12:42:00 - [183] Quote: Bad Idea - fitting over a billion worth of mods on a T1 battlecruiser Good Idea - fitting an oversized AB to outrun me in a mission GD it. Errr.... A billion ISK? I wish! :) 14mil on weapons, 60mil on faction AB 60mil on other faction bits 50mil on Tier 2 bits 30mil on the hull 60mil on rigs Just over 1/4 of a bill :) Hell, even the Mael I'm making at the moment doesn't cost a Billion Isk, not that it wouldn't of done if I could of afforded the shield booster + invun fields I wanted :) And yeah I like my oversized AB, very useful for getting me out of trouble when I need it as you discovered :) I'm looking forward to seeing to again next time round! :)
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:28:00 - [184] Most of carebears are sociopaths obsessed with isk. They think the game is all about increasing that number instead of having fun. Pathetic. When you make them lose 100millions, they get in super rage mode, cause they spent a whole week of boredom staring at rocks and pressing subconsciuslly F1-F7 and you destroyed all that work in a few seconds. Then they realize how sociopaths are, and liberate their rage against you.
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:32:00 - [185] FEED THE TROLL!
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:36:00 - [186] Edited by: Sol''Kanar on 21/04/2009 13:36:42 Originally by: Drunk Driver FEED THE TROLL! OM NOM NOM NOM NOM! (Seriously, I should get a merit badge for this.)
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:48:00 - [187] Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: Sol'Kanar But of course, many of you are too daft to grasp such a concept and end up making an ass out of yourself in my thread. And you just made an ass of yourself after your last statement I am being polite and debating with you all,and you end up judging me and calling me an ass, oh dear How DARE you! I am the furthest thing from an ass. You are a sniveling sycophant too scared to speak the truth so instead you slather slander on me, Sol'Kanar. Also, sausages!
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:50:00 - [188] Originally by: Harukin Edited by: Harukin on 20/04/2009 14:15:09 They pay for the game, how about letting them play how they want instead of forcing them to play how you think they should play? If you don't like it, go build your own MMO. No one is forcing them playing EVE this is a hostile universe roleplaying PVP game, not Macrosoft Mining Simulator 2009, get it???
XenoPagan	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:52:00 - [189] whoa, haven't seen these pirates vs carebears shout-threads in a while. must have been because of falcon or something now everything is back to normal on eve forums
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:00:00 - [190] Originally by: Rhinanna Errr.... A billion ISK? I wish! :) 14mil on weapons, 60mil on faction AB 60mil on other faction bits 50mil on Tier 2 bits 30mil on the hull 60mil on rigs Just over 1/4 of a bill :) Hell, even the Mael I'm making at the moment doesn't cost a Billion Isk, not that it wouldn't of done if I could of afforded the shield booster + invun fields I wanted :) And yeah I like my oversized AB, very useful for getting me out of trouble when I need it as you discovered :) I'm looking forward to seeing to again next time round! :) It's called poetic license! Look, just contract me the hurricane and we can forget all about this.
Arkyk Viper Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:04:00 - [191] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: Ratchman And people deliberately griefing other players just to see them cry and rage is so much more emotionally stable, isn't it? it's not emotionally stable it's just pathetic. I call it a good tactic. An untanked hauler carring 2 billion in cargo AFK across empire is a very tempting target. So who is the pathetic one? Me for forcing pvp upon him and making him cry/rage or him not taking even the most basic steps to protect himself? How is that scenario "griefing them just to see them rage"? Sounds like you did it for the ISK.
The Ratfink	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:23:00 - [192] I only got up to page 3/4 before i couldn't read the sheer hatred (frighteningly so)of some of these 'carebears.' As for some of the real life comparisons, what aload of tripe. Some of the logic you guys have is actually scary... Comparing stabbing someone's wife for instance, thats just not in the same league as computer game pixels! Someone also commented that if the person where sitting right next to the player they were 'blowing up' the victim has a right to retaliation .. have you never played on an xbox or n64!!?? do you thrash out at people when u lose at halo? such crazy talk. Also, by looking at the op, Sol was simply providing a personal opinion, not issueing facts. However your responses are proving his concerns for mental stability of 'carebears' correct! On a sidenote, would you please read up on mmorg's, you clearly have little understanding on the developers wishes as to the gameplay of eve. PVE is not garaunted in this game, why would there be tools and game mechanics that provide PVP..scan probing etc..
Corwain	Posted - 2009.04.21 14:27:00 - [193] Am I a sociopath for reading through this thread and laughing maniacally at the hypocrisy and posturing coming from both sides? I am reminded of the quote about the Joker from the most recent Batman movie. "Some men just want to watch the world burn." I heartily enjoyed the flames in this thread, please post some more! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Benzaiten Reverse	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:25:00 - [194] Originally by: Angel Lightbringer Originally by: Sol'Kanar In Eve, just as in real life, it's the quiet ones you have to worry about. So much truth from a Dodixie griefer. If you have proofs of personal grief, petition it. Problem solved. Ok, in all good fairness I have to agree that personal threat should never arise from gaming, but some people value their time in game as any other activity, and when someone come and wreck things up, well, I can understand the frustration. Can't you? just a little? or at least, understand their point of view? Well i would say most people value their time equally, it doesn't matter if you spent hour playing game or hour working its still whole 1 hour from your life. In RL if someone trying to ruin your time there are ways to help you (ie call 911). In MMO's on other hand is very little to protect players, after all there are real people with real feelings behind avatars. And in eve its even worse as security mechanics (concord) most of time even protecting outlaws. Would be more fair if there is actually more risk involved in outlaw side. (mark thief as free kill not just to person who he steals from but for example to all players in system)
Hariya	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:31:00 - [195] Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse (mark thief as free kill not just to person who he steals from but for example to all players in system) Also anyone who jettisons anything should be marked as a free kill - for littering.
Rheed We The People	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:36:00 - [196] Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse In MMO's on other hand is very little to protect players, after all there are real people with real feelings behind avatars. This is completely and utterly false. You have MANY MANY ways to protect yourself. You (being the whining bears) are JUST TO DAMN LAZY to do it. CCP gave you weapons and ammunition. They gave you the ability to form player corporations, fleets and the mechanics are in place to hire other players for protection and scouting. ----------------------------------- Look at me! I'm on the INTERNET!!!
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:39:00 - [197] Let's go down to the playground and beat up the fat kid.
Benzaiten Reverse	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:41:00 - [198] Originally by: The Ratfink I only got up to page 3/4 before i couldn't read the sheer hatred (frighteningly so)of some of these 'carebears.' As for some of the real life comparisons, what aload of tripe. Some of the logic you guys have is actually scary... Comparing stabbing someone's wife for instance, thats just not in the same league as computer game pixels! Someone also commented that if the person where sitting right next to the player they were 'blowing up' the victim has a right to retaliation .. have you never played on an xbox or n64!!?? do you thrash out at people when u lose at halo? such crazy talk. Also, by looking at the op, Sol was simply providing a personal opinion, not issueing facts. However your responses are proving his concerns for mental stability of 'carebears' correct! On a sidenote, would you please read up on mmorg's, you clearly have little understanding on the developers wishes as to the gameplay of eve. PVE is not garaunted in this game, why would there be tools and game mechanics that provide PVP..scan probing etc.. Some games are just make that you dont loose a thing if dies. Try for example imagine Halo as little different game where you loose all if you die, not just respawn and die again without any risk involved. Its not fair compare high risk game as EVE with halo that is not risk at all. And when people finally stop bringing up that crap story of someone mentally unstable killing someone over game disc. It was pity, but if it was not over game disc it would probably happen over something else. If someone cannot stand conflict and resolve it with bloodshed its not issue of thing that was involved in conflict, but rather issue with persons mentality.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:53:00 - [199] Edited by: Ms Delerium on 21/04/2009 15:54:25 What is the Eve risk compared to Halo? - Fly a cheapass T1 frigate or cruiser with T1 fits - Dont plug implants on your head - Move your dead clone to somewhere near so you respawn near when you lose. - Have fun with little to no losses!!! - Killboards? what is that? (seriously the KB effect on most of players is, making them more carebear so others wont see their losses) Obviously if you are a min/max obsessed player, you dont want other than +5 implants. You dont want to lose a simple ship. You dont want to fly a frigate, but a Caldari Navy Raven. You dont want a single risk so you never leave Motsu... how is this funny?
Benzaiten Reverse	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:54:00 - [200] Originally by: Rheed Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse In MMO's on other hand is very little to protect players, after all there are real people with real feelings behind avatars. This is completely and utterly false. You have MANY MANY ways to protect yourself. You (being the whining bears) are JUST TO DAMN LAZY to do it. CCP gave you weapons and ammunition. They gave you the ability to form player corporations, fleets and the mechanics are in place to hire other players for protection and scouting. Thats maybe true in 0.0-0.4 but in highsec you cant easily hire someone to protect or revenge you. Yes its maybe possible to take corpmates and go TRY kick hella out of that annoing guy, but its just possibility not reality. In reality even if you are able gather your corpmates to go help you he can just warp out and dock until he lose that short timer. And even if you are able gank on him it doesnt mean you are going to even hurt him if your corp and most players in it is brand new. Yes if you have 100mil SP you are most likely going to blast him out of pod from spot, but most ee players in highsec not likely.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:56:00 - [201] jetcanning is a bug. Canfliping is the con side of the superadvantage jetcanning brings. a 300m3 Bantam can drop a new 27500m3 container each 3 minutes
Benzaiten Reverse	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:57:00 - [202] Originally by: Ms Delerium Edited by: Ms Delerium on 21/04/2009 15:54:25 What is the Eve risk compared to Halo? - Fly a cheapass T1 frigate or cruiser with T1 fits - Dont plug implants on your head - Move your dead clone to somewhere near so you respawn near when you lose. - Have fun with little to no losses!!! - Killboards? what is that? (seriously the KB effect on most of players is, making them more carebear so others wont see their losses) Obviously if you are a min/max obsessed player, you dont want other than +5 implants. You dont want to lose a simple ship. You dont want to fly a frigate, but a Caldari Navy Raven. You dont want a single risk so you never leave Motsu... how is this funny? Yeah ? And how fun is it to fly cheap T1 frigates and training skills for 2 months instead of 6 weeks ? I really doubt anyone would make fun with it for more then few months.
Benzaiten Reverse	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:02:00 - [203] Originally by: Ms Delerium jetcanning is a bug. Canfliping is the con side of the superadvantage jetcanning brings. a 300m3 Bantam can drop a new 27500m3 container each 3 minutes Geez, And being able fit 6.5KM long Control tower to small badger is how different from this ? Did you even think of expansive cargo can ?
Danadur Gallente Naval Protection Corp	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:05:00 - [204] I must admit I do have some carebear-ish tendencies. I've been in 0.0 a couple of times now and I found it to be a lot of fun so I'm not exactly your typical carebear. I am mainly an indy guy so I do sit in belts in empire and mine quite a bit. But quite contrary to the OP's experiences with carebears, I tend to have fun with the thiefs and pirates I run into. It's amazing to see the level of frustration you can get out of a pirate when you start dropping cans every 2 minutes with bookmarks and/or cans labeled "I spent 15 minutes screwing with this miner and all I got was this bookmark", "You must really suck as a pirate if that's the only ship you have", and "My Hulk is way cooler looking than your Blackbird".
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:05:00 - [205] Originally by: Arkyk Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ehranavaar Originally by: Ratchman And people deliberately griefing other players just to see them cry and rage is so much more emotionally stable, isn't it? it's not emotionally stable it's just pathetic. I call it a good tactic. An untanked hauler carring 2 billion in cargo AFK across empire is a very tempting target. So who is the pathetic one? Me for forcing pvp upon him and making him cry/rage or him not taking even the most basic steps to protect himself? How is that scenario "griefing them just to see them rage"? Sounds like you did it for the ISK. I like the tears too
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:06:00 - [206] Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse In MMO's on other hand is very little to protect players, after all there are real people with real feelings behind avatars. And in eve its even worse as security mechanics (concord) most of time even protecting outlaws. Would be more fair if there is actually more risk involved in outlaw side. (mark thief as free kill not just to person who he steals from but for example to all players in system) I beg to differ. Players have ways to eliminate the source of the irritation. For example last night I decided to acquisition some items from a mission I had found. In that mission area there where three Mission Running Dommies and a total of 15 drones. All from the same corp. When I acquired some items and salvage from the wreaks all I got was targeted by one of them. My Stabber actually tanked the last room for em. I found that funny. All they had to do to remove me from their mission was to send all 15 drones on me and use whatever weapons they had on the Dommies to kill me. I think 15 drones would have done something to me. What do you think? If someone does not feel the need to stand up for what they think is theirs I have no sympathy for them at all. And I will walk all over them because they deserve nothing less. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:11:00 - [207] Edited by: Ms Delerium on 21/04/2009 16:12:33 Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse Yeah ? And how fun is it to fly cheap T1 frigates and training skills for 2 months instead of 6 weeks ? I really doubt anyone would make fun with it for more then few months. Dude, I am not surprised you are a Caldari Achura. You did it for the min/max obsession and you know it. Flying a T1 frigate can be very funny. Not many achuras flying them, you usually ultracarebears in a Hulk or CNR. 2 months is not much longer than 6 weeks. Sure I prefer 2 months of entertainment than 6 weeks of boredom and repetitive tasks. I got enough repetitive work in RL, so no thanks. By the way, this may shock you, THERE ARE INTERMEDIATE SOLUTIONS. For example I usually am a carebear for 4-5 days a week and PVPer the other 2-3 days.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:16:00 - [208] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal All they had to do to remove me from their mission was to send all 15 drones on me and use whatever weapons they had on the Dommies to kill me. I think 15 drones would have done something to me. What do you think? If someone does not feel the need to stand up for what they think is theirs I have no sympathy for them at all. And I will walk all over them because they deserve nothing less. It's very possible that they didn't because they guessed if they killed you, you would go all emo-rage (like most pirates/ninja-salvagers do when they get ganked back unexpectedly) and call in 10 corpmates to come kill them. They have every reason to guess that you would do that, especially with the high and mighty attitude you're sporting here. Frankly all the emo-raging would be much more entertaining if it wasn't just so tiresome.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:25:00 - [209] Originally by: FlyinS Originally by: Traidor Disloyal All they had to do to remove me from their mission was to send all 15 drones on me and use whatever weapons they had on the Dommies to kill me. I think 15 drones would have done something to me. What do you think? If someone does not feel the need to stand up for what they think is theirs I have no sympathy for them at all. And I will walk all over them because they deserve nothing less. It's very possible that they didn't because they guessed if they killed you, you would go all emo-rage (like most pirates/ninja-salvagers do when they get ganked back unexpectedly) and call in 10 corp mates to come kill them. They have every reason to guess that you would do that, especially with the high and mighty attitude you're sporting here. Frankly all the emo-raging would be much more entertaining if it wasn't just so tiresome. Emo rage? Me? Not going to happen. The only person I get mad at when I loose a ship is me because I always think of something I could have or should have done in that situation. All the person did when he took my ship was show me he was better then I was at that time. Has for corp mates jumping them, sure, I would do that if I had some. They could also use their eyes to handle that situation. It is called "LOCAL". I use it to watch for their corp mates coming in to handle me. Maybe they could use it too? I like my high and mighty attitude. The view is nice. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:29:00 - [210] Originally by: Benzaiten Reverse Thats maybe true in 0.0-0.4 but in highsec you cant easily hire someone to protect or revenge you. How to stop people like me from making you cry in high sec. step 1. DO NOT AFK. step 2. Do not transport billions around in a t1 hauler. step 3. do multiple runs if you must use a t1 hauler so you dont attract my attention. step 4. Fit a tank. step 5. If low mass but high value use a blocade runner fitted with a cov ops cloak and agility mods and you will never be caught out.

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