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Angelos
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Posted - 2009.04.23 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chinwe Rhei I don't mind the scams so much as the spam.
Agreed, the constant local chatter over obvious scams and the resulting responses from others in local pointing out the obvious scams is a tad annoying.
Considering how easy it is to trick idiots, I considered getting into scamming. Then I remembered I'm not a total richard.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.23 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
c) Can flipping in hi-sec (victim should be able to call Concord on thief)
Remove this from your list if you want to be taken seriously. Nobody cares about can flipping, and the only thing that needs to be changed about criminal flagging from cans is to make can ownership an option.
People laughed at the "carebears" when CCP implemented that stupid system and can flipping was born, when it was CCP's fault for implemented in poorly in the first place.
If I don't want my cans to be yellow (ie: anyone can take them freely) then I should have that choice.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.23 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni Bounty is broken
Yes.
Quote: Contracts are broken
No.
Quote: In station trading is broken
Not really.
Quote: Can flipping in hi-sec? WTF is that all about? Broken.
No.
1/4, and the one thing that is broken is largely irrelevant and not the topic of the thread. So where were you going with this? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.04.23 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bullageddon Scamming is PVP
EVE is PVP based
Welcome to EVE.
Ahahahaha, what a ****ing retarted.
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Hath Rator
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Posted - 2009.04.23 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
Presently two accounts, mine and my corp mate's are counting down to expiration.
Why?
Because what we thought as fun aspects of the game dont work.
Can I have your stuff?
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.23 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Quote: In station trading is broken
Not really.
Unless they fixed the delete-a-zero-and-accept lagsploits very recently then it still is.
And while I respect your opinion that contracts aren't broken, you have to admit the inconsistency in the way the numbers are presented between contracts and practically everything else in-game.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Inquisitor Cerberuso
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Posted - 2009.04.23 12:10:00 -
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my view
See I can understand that it can be argued as good to root out the stupid people who fall for scams, but this only works so far, before you kill off everyone..
Many people seem to be using evolution as an excuse to keep things as they are, whihc only works to a point, a RL example, climate gets hotter, animals adapt over time, but too much increase and you kill the lot.. Its the same with these scams I think, a few of them no problem, people adapt, but too many of them and you just drive people away and that is bad for eve
Another point while I think that scamming maybe ok in general, spamming is out of control, the spamming in local makes this channel useless for legit traders trying to sell their wares, as it just undermines customer confidence, again bad for eve in general, I mean look what happened in real life with the markets slowed right down because no-one could trust anyone?!
This latest scam, which I will call the 999 scam, is far too easy to do, I like to see creative 'crime' like the pirates using orcas to do hit and runs, thats creative, this is just a dumb players 'easy mode' of making isk, and it needs to stop or be controlled before its too late
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Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.04.23 12:34:00 -
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if players could call concord on people, then gods i could see goons all fixing their sec status and moving back to empire and having a jolly ole time of it reporting people. it would be hilarious.
the only happy medium i could see is possibly having a player based "policing" system with very limited ability to remove someone's local chat rights or something. still room for abuse however. but it is very cut and dry in the trade hubs who are the scammers, not like it is hard to sort them out.
but calling concord on people lol that would be a disaster. and not sure there is any real solution to the problem, doing whatever to make contracts read clearer i guess would help, but every time i look it takes like 2 seconds to see they left a few 0s or 9s off then looking to buy and added a few when looking to sell. i do not want ccp wasting time or resources on this stuff however.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.23 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Omni on 23/04/2009 13:43:52 Edited by: Neo Omni on 23/04/2009 13:43:13
Originally by: Cerebus Alteri if players could call concord on people, then gods i could see goons all fixing their sec status and moving back to empire and having a jolly ole time of it reporting people. it would be hilarious.
the only happy medium i could see is possibly having a player based "policing" system with very limited ability to remove someone's local chat rights or something. still room for abuse however. but it is very cut and dry in the trade hubs who are the scammers, not like it is hard to sort them out.
but calling concord on people lol that would be a disaster. and not sure there is any real solution to the problem, doing whatever to make contracts read clearer i guess would help, but every time i look it takes like 2 seconds to see they left a few 0s or 9s off then looking to buy and added a few when looking to sell. i do not want ccp wasting time or resources on this stuff however.
Actually it would not be calling concord on people, but on flashy red people only. Rt click on the perp, "report to concord" and watch the fun. It's not called hi-sec for nothing.
Originally by: Hath Rator
Originally by: Neo Omni
Presently two accounts, mine and my corp mate's are counting down to expiration.
Why?
Because what we thought as fun aspects of the game dont work.
Can I have your stuff?
NO! Im keeping it. Maybe CCp will wise up in the future, but until then Im not financing them. Until then, I'll be looking for another sci-fi mmo.
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2009.04.23 13:44:00 -
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In the mean time CCP, can you at least release a hotfix that will make people read the contracts better?
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Libera Mentem Tuam
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Posted - 2009.04.23 15:01:00 -
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I have never been caught by a scam but thats because I believe everything I see listed is a scam until I can prove otherwise. If it was up to me I wouldn't fix contracts but I would add divisions to personal wallets. That way you keep the bulk of your isk in one division and set another division for purchases. You only put isk in the purchasing part of the wallet when you want to buy something and then you could only put in as much as you want to spend. It would go a long way to help... this is what I do using the corp wallet divisions with my alt's 2 man corp and that toon does most of my purchasing for me. I mean corp wallets have divisions why not personal wallets?
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.23 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger I have never been caught by a scam but thats because I believe everything I see listed is a scam until I can prove otherwise. If it was up to me I wouldn't fix contracts but I would add divisions to personal wallets. That way you keep the bulk of your isk in one division and set another division for purchases. You only put isk in the purchasing part of the wallet when you want to buy something and then you could only put in as much as you want to spend. It would go a long way to help... this is what I do using the corp wallet divisions with my alt's 2 man corp and that toon does most of my purchasing for me. I mean corp wallets have divisions why not personal wallets?
For the same reason we don't have separate personal hangars. BECAUSE OF NO REASON AT ALL
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.23 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Tippia
Quote: In station trading is broken
Not really.
Unless they fixed the delete-a-zero-and-accept lagsploits very recently then it still is.
No, that means it is buggy, not broken, and that also means that you can report anyone who exploits this bug to get him kicked in the groin and to get your money back…
Broken would mean that it doesn't serve its purpose. Bounties, for instance, are broken because they don't serve the purpose of making a person hunted (it just gives him/his alt some nice cash and/or a badge of honour). Contracts are not broken because they serve their purpose of allowing transfer of goods and money — the fact that some people don't have their wits about them doesn't make the system serve this purpose any less. Can flipping is definitely not broken since it's an intended design. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.04.23 15:11:00 -
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the biggest reason for the right click blinky red people and call concord to deal with them for you would be a horrible idea. is it would be abused period.
i could see the oh someone take my can so we can have a duel outside, turning into the gank fest it is now going to the pure pwnage of calling concord to zap the lootee. or if they used it mid fight if they were getting their arse kicked.
ccp gave people to the tools in hi sec to pick their battles or avoid them entirely in 90% of the cases in hi sec. they let the players themselves decide. granted the griefers and flippers and theifs in hi sec never want a fair fight period they are looking for sheep to slaughter.
but calling concord on them is not the answer, get some friends, corp mates etc a deal with them yourselves is. or ignore it entirely.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.04.23 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rathelm I have no problems with CCP allowing scamming, but I do think the contract system could use a couple of tweaks to make it more legible.
First is 499,999,999 should have a (499 million) following it to make it easier to skim across the contract. It's a hassle to constantly count how many numbers are in a number.
Secondly it needs to be made much clearer whether you are paying or receiving cash in a contract. The current system is silly. If you're receiving cash it should be on the bottom of the contract and if you're paying cash it should be where it currently is. That way, once again, at a glance you can see what's going on.
Lastly courier contracts should give you the option to see exactly what you are shipping. This way you know exactly how much the collateral should be and if someone is trying to screw you on the lack of this knowledge.
I would welcome these changes, as they still allow people to scam but make it less tedious to check contracts.
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BillyBob Esq
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Posted - 2009.04.23 15:43:00 -
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Everything else aside, since I really couldn't care, include an ignore option on the chat window so that you could just remove all those spam bots from local FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. No impact to the player if you decide to ban a real person for whatever reason, just a way to make local cleaner. Would seriously help in jita/other big trade hubs, and it's annoying as hell to be flying through a system and suddenly get "getfreeiskonlinefollowthislinkgetfreeiskonlinefollowthislinkgetfreeiskonlinefollowthislinkgetfreeiskonlinefollowthislinkgetfreeiskonlinefollowthislink"
Thank you.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.23 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Omni on 23/04/2009 20:42:07
Originally by: Cerebus Alteri the biggest reason for the right click blinky red people and call concord to deal with them for you would be a horrible idea. is it would be abused period.
i could see the oh someone take my can so we can have a duel outside, turning into the gank fest it is now going to the pure pwnage of calling concord to zap the lootee. or if they used it mid fight if they were getting their arse kicked.
ccp gave people to the tools in hi sec to pick their battles or avoid them entirely in 90% of the cases in hi sec. they let the players themselves decide. granted the griefers and flippers and theifs in hi sec never want a fair fight period they are looking for sheep to slaughter.
but calling concord on them is not the answer, get some friends, corp mates etc a deal with them yourselves is. or ignore it entirely.
Actually I see is as a balancing factor.
Like I said, big bad battle ship decides to flip a can spit out by a Retriever. C'mon...a retriever vs. a battle ship? Again the criminal element has the upper hand. If the battleship knows that concord can be called on them, they will think twice for their actions as there are consequences.
For now, the miner is at the mercy of thieves because there are not consequences.
I would really like to see a balancing of character elements in hi sec.
AND
Concord doesn't necessarily have to blow you up...they could web you, confiscate the stolen item and fine you.
Is it prone to abuse?
Well, contracts are prone to abuse/scams and everyone calls it OK. Think of this as a reverse scam.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.04.23 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni Edited by: Neo Omni on 23/04/2009 20:42:07
Originally by: Cerebus Alteri the biggest reason for the right click blinky red people and call concord to deal with them for you would be a horrible idea. is it would be abused period.
i could see the oh someone take my can so we can have a duel outside, turning into the gank fest it is now going to the pure pwnage of calling concord to zap the lootee. or if they used it mid fight if they were getting their arse kicked.
ccp gave people to the tools in hi sec to pick their battles or avoid them entirely in 90% of the cases in hi sec. they let the players themselves decide. granted the griefers and flippers and theifs in hi sec never want a fair fight period they are looking for sheep to slaughter.
but calling concord on them is not the answer, get some friends, corp mates etc a deal with them yourselves is. or ignore it entirely.
Actually I see is as a balancing factor.
Like I said, big bad battle ship decides to flip a can spit out by a Retriever. C'mon...a retriever vs. a battle ship? Again the criminal element has the upper hand. If the battleship knows that concord can be called on them, they will think twice for their actions as there are consequences.
For now, the miner is at the mercy of thieves because there are not consequences.
I would really like to see a balancing of character elements in hi sec.
AND
Concord doesn't necessarily have to blow you up...they could web you, confiscate the stolen item and fine you.
Is it prone to abuse?
Well, contracts are prone to abuse/scams and everyone calls it OK. Think of this as a reverse scam.
Just stop posting please... --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.23 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
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Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.04.23 20:58:00 -
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i suppose if ccp spent 2 years redoing the entire concord system, they could make it a little more useful all around. but i am 80% sure it is a bit outside the ability of concord atm to decide what cargo in said offender's hold is in fact stolen.
they can do it with drugs, illegal cargo in empire, but thats a tad different not that system could not be tweaked or modified to be able to read a game log and see that player yarrr has taken xxx minerals out of player sheep's cargo container. but knowing ccp's schedule for new features runs from 2 years to 4 years i personally would rather them spend that time and manpower on planetary battles and such, maybe that is just me tho.
then we got the issue of jet can mining/storage to begin with it was always a kind of loophole in the system to begin with it was never "as intended" but since everyone and their brother used it i think for the sanity of all involved they left it in. and it is fairly recent that removing items from a jet can would flag an offender after much complaining about the old system where they could just steal and there was absolutely nothing you could do.
i suppose you could argue that they take away players "kill rights" entirely and make it that concord intervenes in said theft matters, but that pretty damn imba who would steal at all in that case it would be utter suicide and no amount of ore will make up for that ganking. the kill rights flag was a middle ground that allowed empire players to take retribution if they so chose to. yes it not fair to miners and such but having the unbeatable immortal npcs show up to obiterate them is not exactly sporting at all is it?
low sec or 0.0 you would not even have any options but to warp out with your tail between your legs and eat the loss of ore. or lose your ore and ship and possibly pod in the process. the advantage of high sec is you have options. you can move, you can call your friends/corp mates, you can warp home get a ship and got hunt them down, or you can say gg and go home, and you get to lose an hours worth of jet can mining and keep your ship and pod.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
You're the one who keeps bumping threads with nothing to be discussed anymore. You're the one who makes lame threads daily about the same issue, even though you're obviously flat wrong. You're the one that doesn't give any really solid and plausible argumentation to anything. You go...
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Gekkoh
Caldari Rule of Five The Junta
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Posted - 2009.04.24 20:38:00 -
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This is quite simple:
1. The very fact that so many people fall for this scam means that the contract UI is flawed. The purpose of a UI is to convey information from the computer to the human user with the least amount of error possible. Clearly that's not the case here.
2. Eve doesn't display large numbers consistently. Not even in the contract UI. This adds to the problem in number 1.
3. The only reason for not adding the .00 and (1.99 Billion) parts to the UI are so that more of you can scam people from their ISK using the contract UI. That's a pretty **** poor reason.
4. Fixing this will stop the damned spam, because far less people will fall for it!
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
Reported for calling me an ass, that is a personal attack. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:17:00 -
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This is quite simple:
1. The very fact that so many people use jetcans means that the jetcan is flawed. The purpose of a jetcan is to hold items discarded by people. Clearly that's not the case here.
2. Eve doesn't restrict people from adding items to previously ejected jetcans. This adds to the problem in number 1.
3. The only reason for not restricting people from adding to jettisoned containers is so that more of you can exploit jetcan mechanics to mine easier. That's a pretty **** poor reason.
4. Fixing this will help bring up mineral prices, because far less people will jetcan mine thus bringing up mineral values!
Scamming is a profession like any other, and CCP wants people scamming. Removing one of their few remaning tools would be akin to removing jetcans for miners. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
Reported for calling me an ass, that is a personal attack.
Isn't it a personal attack to declare 'I reported you!'
Seems so to me. You could have just reported him. Ah, well.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.25 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Omni on 25/04/2009 00:39:42
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
Reported for calling me an ass, that is a personal attack.
It wast a personal attack...it was a public declaration of a fact. Next time post something constructive instead of adolescent BS.
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Gekkoh
Caldari Rule of Five The Junta
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts This is quite simple:
Stuff
Scamming is a profession like any other, and CCP wants people scamming. Removing one of their few remaning tools would be akin to removing jetcans for miners.
What you wrote is a straw man argument. This has nothing to do with jet can mining, or the technical details of in-space cargo containers.
I think you replied with what you did because you can't refute the fact that the UI isn't consistent, and obviously isn't doing a very good job at conveying the intended information. If it was, this scam wouldn't be so common, and trade channels wouldn't be so filled with bot spam that they're unusable.
Are you really saying that CCP should purposefully leave in ****ty UI so that lazy unskilled scammers can ply their trade?
If so, that's just a plain stupid reason.
Also, skilled scammers use social engineering, not ****ty UI's. They will always exist, as they should in Eve. Legions of bot ran alts spamming constantly to exploit a UI inconsistency shouldn't be part of any game. It just detracts from the Eve experience.
Eve revolves around PvP, not PvUI.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni Edited by: Neo Omni on 25/04/2009 00:56:35
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
Reported for calling me an ass, that is a personal attack.
It wast a personal attack...it was a public declaration of a fact. Next time post something constructive instead of adolescent BS.
Originally by: Hariya
Originally by: Neo Omni
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Just stop posting please...
go to hell. I you dont like it, dont read it ass.
You're the one who keeps bumping threads with nothing to be discussed anymore. You're the one who makes lame threads daily about the same issue, even though you're obviously flat wrong. You're the one that doesn't give any really solid and plausible argumentation to anything. You go...
...and you come from a two dad household so stfu.
Okay, THOSE were personal attacks.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Omni on 25/04/2009 01:19:19
Originally by: Gekkoh
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts This is quite simple:
Stuff
Scamming is a profession like any other, and CCP wants people scamming. Removing one of their few remaning tools would be akin to removing jetcans for miners.
What you wrote is a straw man argument. This has nothing to do with jet can mining, or the technical details of in-space cargo containers.
I think you replied with what you did because you can't refute the fact that the UI isn't consistent, and obviously isn't doing a very good job at conveying the intended information. If it was, this scam wouldn't be so common, and trade channels wouldn't be so filled with bot spam that they're unusable.
Are you really saying that CCP should purposefully leave in ****ty UI so that lazy unskilled scammers can ply their trade?
If so, that's just a plain stupid reason.
Also, skilled scammers use social engineering, not ****ty UI's. They will always exist, as they should in Eve. Legions of bot ran alts spamming constantly to exploit a UI inconsistency shouldn't be part of any game. It just detracts from the Eve experience.
Eve revolves around PvP, not PvUI.
Best argument every. Thanks. I'm all for clever scams. Not crappy coding exploits.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2009.04.25 18:48:00 -
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Cleaned.
Please post with respect towards fellow players.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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