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Grimpak
Gallente
Clubs and Diamonds
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Posted - 2009.04.28 19:10:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless.
it is?
ok yeah, mwd and AB are mandatory in pvp yadda yadda yadda.
but a BC that can't fit a mwd is really that useless?
what the hell are you trying to do with it, break the speed record?
Range control. It's kind of a big deal. Unless you enjoy being humped by blasterbrutes or anything else that can outgank a nighthawk at short range (hint: almost anything).
problem is, I'm not seeing an NH going solo, nor any missile ship above cruiser for that matter.
While I can concede that the NH lacks range control, such thing matters much less when you're in gangs, and even moreso when you're considering shield tankers.
Also, "blasterbrutes" might dish zomgfirepower, but until you consider the fact that only in like 10% of the fights you have the range on your favour (like starting fight at optimal), I don't expect them to be able to do that much damage to me if they want to do 20km while using mwd, tank, and shoot and still manage to get on site with good ammount of cap. sure there's cap charges, but a cargo hold can only hold so much, and blasterships that can really hurt the NH are either BC or above them, wich in the later case, would probably melt any other BC/CBC for that matter.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Clubs and Diamonds
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Posted - 2009.04.28 19:11:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Grimpak
navy aug? probably.
standart, run of the mill aug? only usage I can find for it is to produce guardians tbh.
You can use it as a bad navy aug I guess....????
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think a proph would do a better job at that
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Imogen Filiotov
Amarr
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.04.28 20:40:00 -
[123]
I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sacrilege yet. If you want a good pvp and you're Amarr, do what everyone else does.. Zealot.
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The Dribber
Amarr
Black Screen of Death
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Posted - 2009.04.28 21:28:00 -
[124]
Originally by: steveid
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Grimpak
Auguror?
why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian?
I don't think i've ever seen an Augoror in space, ever.
I've seen them used for pvp in fact, makes a pretty good heavy tackle due to its silly ability to have everlasting armor. Some low sec pimpmobile squad gave me a raping with a rattlesnake and an augorer once in my geddon. Happy days.
Ive seen them used, doing 4x Small Energy Transfer, as intended. Was nice
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.04.28 21:53:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Imogen Filiotov
I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sacrilege yet. If you want a good pvp and you're Amarr, do what everyone else does.. Zealot.
Because the sacrilege is far from being the worst PVP ship in the game, perhaps? It's at least competent in gangs which is more than can be said for a LOT of other ships and is one of the top 3 solo HACs (Sacrilege, Vagabond, Ishtar) 
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Imogen Filiotov
Amarr
Gene Works
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.28 22:14:00 -
[126]
I've not ever seen 1 person use a sac except for this one time in high sec. Just one time.
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Nyx Cyth
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Posted - 2009.04.28 22:20:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Imogen Filiotov
I've not ever seen 1 person use a sac except for this one time in high sec. Just one time.
I used to use one about a year ago, Managed to Tank 3 BS and then for a Further 2-3 mins after a Inty got me (DPS and Range Control was always an issue though it ended up 90% of the time being a trade off)
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.28 22:20:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Worst Solo PVP Ship in the game.... Pick a Caldari one.
Drake is great solo ship.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.28 22:24:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Hara Eflo
erm... battle exquror(sp?) :D
Scythe sucks more I guess
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.28 22:28:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Grimpak
Auguror?
why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian?
Before Apocrypha you could get a amarr character, out of the box with 15 minute training (or so) into Augoror, with t2 medium remote armor reppers and poor tank. Some guys just kept creating new ones for their neutral reppers in high sec can flipping..
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.28 23:52:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Imogen Filiotov
I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sacrilege yet. If you want a good pvp and you're Amarr, do what everyone else does.. Zealot.
Because the sacrilege is far from being the worst PVP ship in the game, perhaps? It's at least competent in gangs which is more than can be said for a LOT of other ships and is one of the top 3 solo HACs (Sacrilege, Vagabond, Ishtar)
imho sac is the worst hac in the game atm, I would rather fly a beagle or a deimos or an AC muninn than one, every time I fly a sac I die horribly, everytime I fight a sac it dies horribly, only thing this ship excels at is ninja ratting with a cloak fitted, big cargo bay for the hams etc.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2009.04.29 00:28:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Gneeznow
imho sac is the worst hac in the game atm, I would rather fly a beagle or a deimos or an AC muninn than one, every time I fly a sac I die horribly, everytime I fight a sac it dies horribly, only thing this ship excels at is ninja ratting with a cloak fitted, big cargo bay for the hams etc.
While I would still prefer it over deimos or muninn, the Sac is pretty terribad, imo. If it had 6-7 lows, it might make a potent solo ship, but as it is, it's subpar: solo? crap DPS or crap tank. Gang? Why are you not in a Zealot?
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.04.29 01:35:00 -
[133]
Why are people fittign Nighthawks for solo pvp fits?
MWD + HAMS + GANGLINK
Why not stick to heavies, use an AB, and stay out of point raneg and provide gang links and anti-support for your gang?
I don't fly command ships - but if I did, I wouldn't want my 200+ million isk ship (uninsurable) anywhere near web and point range.
Just saying...
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Barkel
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.29 07:27:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Crackzilla
yes, but the tracking bonus is useless on the Scythe.
The Osprey's 2nd bonus makes it great for the isk. Mostly to recharge shields on pos/stations or a cheap logistic ship. The Osprey might be used more often for its logistics than mining bonus.
This is the key point to the scythes PvP role. The introduction of the scripts system blew the crap out of the tracking link bonus.
The best boost any ship can now provide with a T2 tracking link for optimal/tracking is 15%/30% respectively. The scythe at best gives an optimal/tracking boost of 17.625%/35.25%. Which is pretty pathetic no matter how you look at it.
The only support ship where its primary ability is more useful for the range it can do it at rather then how much better it is in the actual bonus. No other PvP oriented bonuses makes it one sad ship for PvP.
Oh and to add insult to injury tracking disruptors now affect falloff while tracking links don't. 
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Grimpak
Gallente
Clubs and Diamonds
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Posted - 2009.04.29 08:04:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Omarvelous
Why are people fittign Nighthawks for solo pvp fits?
MWD + HAMS + GANGLINK
Why not stick to heavies, use an AB, and stay out of point raneg and provide gang links and anti-support for your gang?
I don't fly command ships - but if I did, I wouldn't want my 200+ million isk ship (uninsurable) anywhere near web and point range.
Just saying...
because people have this mindset that every ship must be solo-capable to achieve the status of non-sucking.
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Posted - 2009.04.29 13:28:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
Moa...I never see people using these for a reason.
Retribution can take on any interceptor 1v1. I can usually pop them before they even manage to warp out if they're silly enough to try and engage me in my retribution =)
I think people avoid the Moa because of it's ugliness and, to be fair, it is possibly the ugliest spaceship of all-time. It is why I didn't use it for a very long time. However, I find it a very useful PvP ship, much like the Thorax.
The Retribution is an underated ship too. Admittedly, not much cop at tackling or ecm or anything that might require a middle slot, but it can field some good dps. It does pretty much what the Amarr philosophy is all about: lasers and armour.
The Scythe would have to be the worst ship I have used in a PvP situation, although that ship is probably more dedicated to logistics than combat. I wasn't too struck on the Crusader, either, although I'm okay with the Malediction. I may be treating it unfairly though, but it just seems like every Crusader I have flown gets popped in seconds. Other interceptors I have flown seem to last much longer (although an interceptors life is a bit like a mayfly's).
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Marquis Jeladriel
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Posted - 2009.04.30 03:06:00 -
[137]
Ferox.... just can't make it work well and not be out performed by other ships.... that said, because it's lame it's primaried less than a drake 
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Kamen
SRBI
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.30 04:28:00 -
[138]
Ferox and Eagle for the "No way to fit to make sense" factor.
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chromez0r
Gallente
Dead 2 Rights
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Posted - 2009.04.30 06:54:00 -
[139]
ferox? as if! ferox is the most under-rated teir 1 bc in the game, ill take on any teir 1 bc in my ferox, it laughs off the dps of a brutix, while demolishing it, cyclones well lol, prophecy has laughable dps and its just a matter of time to kill it. only the harb and myrm(gank myrms) are a problem for the ferox. maybe a cane with a good pilot/fitting. but most of the time thats not the case :)
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Black Kestrel
Kouncel
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Posted - 2009.04.30 06:54:00 -
[140]
Jumping on the Scythe wagon sounds good.
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rogertherabbit
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Posted - 2009.04.30 09:35:00 -
[141]
gosh with all this smack towards the sac, i may buy one. Laser sac anyone?  |
Benedikt Miloslav
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Posted - 2009.04.30 12:33:00 -
[142]
Sacrilege is awesome. My T2 dual MAR fit gets 467 defense, 21.5k EHP and 416 DPS with faction missiles, 457 with T2. In comparison, a standard Vaga fit gets 24k EHP and 512 DPS, which is greatly reduced at ranges it operates in (sacrilege easily out damages it at 18km with faction HAMs). An Ishtar gets 520+ or so DPS, but that's with Ogres IIs and small blasters - so if you want to do that much to a cruiser, you have to tank it out - and if you try to keep your range, you suffer the risk of having your drones outran or destroyed. Not to mention the huge advantage that is the ability to select damage type without losing potential DPS.
Heck, if you want more DPS, you can get 488 with faction HAMs (538 with T2) and 2 BCS, while still keeping quite a bit of your tanking capability (loses to a dual mar ishtar, though).
After the Vagabond, Sacrilege is my favorite HAC. The problem is that if you didn't cross train Amarr from Caldari or Minmatar, you most likely don't have the missile skills needed to make it good.
If you prefer to fly the Deimos over it, you're doing something terribly wrong.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.04.30 13:09:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Gypsio III on 30/04/2009 13:10:45
Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav
Sacrilege is awesome.
What's your Sac fit? I have HAM Spec V but have only just bothered to train for the Sac, mainly because I haven't got a clue how to use it, because of the clash between tank, DPS and mobility.
The Sac seems to be defined by "big active tank" and "more mobile than HAM Drake". But not only is tanking not a role, fitting armour rigs gimps the mobility advantage. Although without armour rigs it can get a very nice active tank - but not if you want damage even vaguely comparable to a HAM Drake - or much better than a HM Cerb that has ten times the range, for that matter. I just can't get my head round how to fit it or when to use it.
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LucyintheSky
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Posted - 2009.05.01 12:30:00 -
[144]
Edited by: LucyintheSky on 01/05/2009 12:36:45
FEROX
It's so bad everyone has forgotten it exists.
Seriously, when was the last time you even saw one in space?
They're only built to be turned into Vultures and Nighthawks.
The pathetic attempt to boost them by giving them an extra gun slot made no difference whatsoever.
RAPTOR
Laughable as you cannot fit a tank - making a tackle ship out of a shield-tanker FTL.
Laughable as, once you fit a tank and vital speed mods, you have no fitting capacity left to fit... weapons.
FALCON
Originally given a paper-thin tank because "range was it's tank", now it's lost the range it's still got the paper-thin tank.
PHOENIX
Citadel torpedoes. Well, the key word "torpedo" should be a red-flag to most. And this ship uses Citadel torps. They're only in fleets because people train for them without checking to see how they perform first...
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.01 12:49:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Omarvelous
Why are people fittign Nighthawks for solo pvp fits?
MWD + HAMS + GANGLINK
Why not stick to heavies, use an AB, and stay out of point raneg and provide gang links and anti-support for your gang?
I don't fly command ships - but if I did, I wouldn't want my 200+ million isk ship (uninsurable) anywhere near web and point range.
Just saying...
because people have this mindset that every ship must be solo-capable to achieve the status of non-sucking.
Hint: AB won't let you stay out of point range. For a ship to be non sucking, it must be able to fit a MWD, weapons and a decent buffer tank for thats ships level. It has nothing to do with being able to solo or not.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.05.01 12:57:00 -
[146]
Originally by: LucyintheSky
FALCON
Originally given a paper-thin tank because "range was it's tank", now it's lost the range it's still got the paper-thin tank.
It's got the same tanking potential as any other Force Recon. 
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lu ma
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:02:00 -
[147]
TEMPEST \o/
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LucyintheSky
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:08:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: LucyintheSky
FALCON
Originally given a paper-thin tank because "range was it's tank", now it's lost the range it's still got the paper-thin tank.
It's got the same tanking potential as any other Force Recon.
Yeah, right.
How many other recons put their primary weapon in their tanking slot layer?
Not rapier. Not huggin.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:20:00 -
[149]
Rapier/Huginn: webs, midslots.
Lachesis/Arazu: disruptors/scramblers/RSD, midslots.
Answer: most of them. All of them, when Curse/Pilgrim are focusing on TDs.
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Foulque
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:48:00 -
[150]
Auguror 
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