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Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:57:00 - [31] The worst 3 t2 ships, in no particular order: Raptor - the worst interceptor by a long, long way. Slow, weak, rubbish. It locks fast but since when did people start picking interceptors based on sig analysis? Exactly. Hawk - A frigate with an active tank bonus and worse dps than not only its t1 hull (Merlin), but the frigate hull one tier below it as well (Kestrel). Deimos - Too fragile, too slow, MASSIVELY vulnerable to nearly all e-war (jamming, webbing, tracking disruption and neuting), not enough advantage over its t1 hull to come anywhere NEAR justifying its cost. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Magonushi What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet. Take all the Minmatar BS's and the Hyperion. Put them all in a hat, and pull one.
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Beverly Sparks Originally by: Magonushi What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet. Take all the Minmatar BS's and the Hyperion. Put them all in a hat, and pull one. The hyperion? What?
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 27/04/2009 17:44:39 Originally by: But Sects Deimos :( Diemost. Originally by: Magonushi What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet. Minmatar. Also, not typhoon. I put typhoon in the top three.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:53:00 - [35] I'll ** the forums off by saying the Armageddon is the worst PvP BS. 2 mids (since the cap injector is required) makes for a total fail PvP BS. Terrible RR BS (3 mids and one spare high) and gets outclassed by the Torp Raven in almost every way in terms of gang DPS (except past 45km where Jav Torps can't hit,but by then, you are in falloff in Scorch anyways. EFT kids don't load Scorch because the DPS number is too low anyhow). * Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Typhado3 Originally by: arbiter reformed Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR, damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. naglfar > pheonix
oMAKo Gallente Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:25:00 - [37] Edited by: oMAKo on 27/04/2009 18:26:14 Edited by: oMAKo on 27/04/2009 18:25:46 Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 27/04/2009 17:44:39 Originally by: But Sects Deimos :( Diemost. Corection Failmost (see what i did there!) Both Gallente command ships. ------------- Kiroshi Group -------------
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:34:00 - [38] Ashimmu. Expensive and quite crappy, fitting sucks, no drones, bonuses are weaker than in recons etc.
Orakkus Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:35:00 - [39] Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten that it actually has a PVP job (Tracking Links). I only do diplomancy because I haven't found you.. yet.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten Scythe is so bad that many people have never seen one. Shuttles are more welcome in a gang/fleet than a Scythe.
Fox Ogmo Net 7 The Last Brigade	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:58:00 - [41] The poorest performance for pvp is usually a case of; it's not the ship it's how you use it. I will never forget the number of ridiculous fits I saw this guy flying: legendary drake. And on the flip side, you can do alot with the crappiest ships around (I consider velator OP, drone bay on a rookie ship?!): Velator ftw
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:06:00 - [42] Nighthawk. Try fitting an mwd, a full rack of hams, and anything else on it without using RCUs. Moa and Ashimmu are pretty terribad too. Maller?
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:11:00 - [43] Moa is one of the top 3 best t1 cruisers, along with the Rupture and Vexor(or Thorax depends on who you ask). The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
Wardeneo Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Liang Nuren Any of the freighters. -Liang this! wardeneo
4 LOM United Gamers	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:42:00 - [45] Gila, Worm, Hawk. (Gila and worm get not only split weapon systems but split weapon bonuses!!! mini typhoons with none of the slight upsides the typhoon gets..) Those are terrible... cant think of worse. Raptor would make the list except it can do long range tackle so its usefull in a pvp gang its just useless compared to the other long range ceptors. Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
Chompy	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:47:00 - [46] Hawk and Harpy are just amazingly underpowered.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar OVERLOAD. Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten that it actually has a PVP job (Tracking Links). DingDingDing, we have a winner.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:18:00 - [48] Ferox.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:23:00 - [49] Isn't Scythe a mining boat though, kinda like Osprey? Yeah, Osprey has the whole buff thingie too but whoever uses it? Anyways, worst ships ingame depends on role though. Worst ship for solo PvP? Any ship with 1 medslot or rocket bonus. Worst ship for gangs? I dunno, maybe Drake since all it does is sit there and throw missiles at people in frustration of not getting shot at. Then again, I just hate Drakes anyways so I'm biased. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Bubble Meat	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:24:00 - [50] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: Mystafyre Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible. Moa isnt bad at all, especially if you consider the surprise factor: [Moa, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 410 DPS, 26.3k EHP Worst is probably something like the stupid merlin or post-nerf stabber (unless you pour tons of isk into it for ambit rigs etc). Hawk is probably up there at the top of the crap pile too. Thats good for ganking and being in fleet. Otherwise you will just find yourself unable to traget anything, and neuted to uselessness.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten that it actually has a PVP job (Tracking Links). I killed a can flipper with one once, people think "mining cruiser" I think, wolf in sheep's clothing.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Misina Arlath Isn't Scythe a mining boat though, kinda like Osprey? Yeah, Osprey has the whole buff thingie too but whoever uses it? yes, but the tracking bonus is useless on the Scythe. The Osprey's 2nd bonus makes it great for the isk. Mostly to recharge shields on pos/stations or a cheap logistic ship. The Osprey might be used more often for its logistics than mining bonus.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Wardeneo Originally by: Liang Nuren Any of the freighters. -Liang this! wardeneo They make superb bait.
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:49:00 - [54] Scythe could be handy for boosting sniper gangs, but I would rather use a Scimitar for that job because it can shield transfer as well, so in that sense it's not useless, just situational (like every other ship in the game). It's hard to argue that there's a "worse ship EVAR" in EVE PvP because each has their role, but for the worst ship that tries to perform it's role I would go with the retribution hands down; it has one midslot and decent DPS, but it's a frigate hull which means it cannot do a frigate's main job (tackle) and it would be far better to bring a nanoed omen with a SB (cheaper, just as quick and can actually lock faster). Good for PvE, absolutely god awful for PvP, barring you have some type of arbitrary "frigate only" role and you have plenty of tacklers. It could do well in FW where more DPS is always welcome because everybody's a tackler, but I would consider a destroyer an equally viable (cheaper) option.
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Gypsio III Both of my Hawks are named "worst ship in game". then why do you have 2
Orakkus Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:25:00 - [56] Edited by: Orakkus on 27/04/2009 21:28:08 Originally by: EFT Warrior Scythe could be handy for boosting sniper gangs, but I would rather use a Scimitar for that job because it can shield transfer as well, so in that sense it's not useless, just situational (like every other ship in the game). Well, having tried this in actual practice, its alot of work to setup, for very little gain. At most, the ship can only support two additional ships.. and even that is pretty painful. It does not have the CPU or PG to field more than a small armor tank (so it can easily be alpha'ed) and lowest tier ACs. And really, would you really want to put a pilot in a pure light support ship in a gang when even a frigate would be more useful? I only do diplomancy because I haven't found you.. yet.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: Mystafyre Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible. Moa isnt bad at all, especially if you consider the surprise factor: [Moa, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 410 DPS, 26.3k EHP Worst is probably something like the stupid merlin or post-nerf stabber (unless you pour tons of isk into it for ambit rigs etc). Hawk is probably up there at the top of the crap pile too. EM will hit that like hot knife to butter..
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Mystafyre EM will hit that like hot knife to butter.. It doesn't matter, because Moa's suck so much that it won't get primaried until the only ships left are it and a drake. It's so bad it's...good?
Danuvia Za Bellum Aeternus	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:53:00 - [59] The Bellicose is a very nice frigate killer: 3 assault missile bays 5 warrior IIs. :)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp LAST JUDGEMENT	Posted - 2009.04.27 22:47:00 - [60] Hawk, Raptor, Retribution -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.

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