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Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:53:00 - [1] Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:57:00 - [2] Retribution or something stupid like that.
But Sects	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:00:00 - [3] Deimos :(
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Mystafyre Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible. Moa isnt bad at all, especially if you consider the surprise factor: [Moa, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 410 DPS, 26.3k EHP Worst is probably something like the stupid merlin or post-nerf stabber (unless you pour tons of isk into it for ambit rigs etc). Hawk is probably up there at the top of the crap pile too. Put in space whales!
SuperNova221	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:03:00 - [5] Falcon For best I'd say Bantam, blaster fit!
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:21:00 - [6] Gotta be the Hawk. Rockets suck, and it depends on them. Also, Bellicose and Scythe are pretty crappy too. Mixed weapons, tracking links, target painters, small grid, poor slot distribution. What's not to hate.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:25:00 - [7] Both of my Hawks are named "worst ship in game".
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:35:00 - [8] I'd have a hard time naming any T1 ship as 'worst' simply because of their cost; they may be crap, but they're cheap and insurable. Hawk is a good choice for 'worst all around': poor fittings/slot layout, laughable DPS, shield boost bonus that gets wasted on a frigate because even a bonused small shield booster provides next to no tank. Raptor is another one: slow, gimped fittings despite finally having the proper hardpoint layout, low lock range for a Caldari ship. Retribution is probably the worst solo PvP ship because of its solitary midslot, but it's actually a wonderful DPS ship for friggy gangs. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
arbiter reformed Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:44:00 - [9] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR,
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:46:00 - [10] Any of the ships with 1 midslot!!! -- "If itÆs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IÆd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:53:00 - [11] Originally by: arbiter reformed Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR, damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:53:00 - [12] Bellicose with 50kmsomething lock range (same as a vigil, actually) despite supposedly being a EW platform (and TP's having more optimal than the ship's lock range) which means a sensor booster is effectively required on a ship with limited midslots comes to mind. Also, omen has 5 turrets, but only the powergrid to arm 4. Well you could argue it has the powergrid to arm 3 actually Those would be my 2 big candidates.
arbiter reformed Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:57:00 - [13] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:58:06 Originally by: Kai Lae Bellicose with 50kmsomething lock range (same as a vigil, actually) despite supposedly being a EW platform (and TP's having more optimal than the ship's lock range) which means a sensor booster is effectively required on a ship with limited midslots comes to mind. Also, omen has 5 turrets, but only the powergrid to arm 4. Well you could argue it has the powergrid to arm 3 actually Those would be my 2 big candidates. meh thing is there still not as bad as the ashimmu, bellicose aint that bad really. nowhere near the worst ingame
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:57:00 - [14] Originally by: arbiter reformed Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR, damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Typhado3 damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. Whoops forgot one, good point. Nag despite having more weapons than other dreads generally does less DPS, because the limited amounts of lows and split weapon systems mean that mounting damage mods is a questionable decision. Most other kinds of dreads can carry at least one and sometimes as much as three, creating what appears on paper to be a high damage, low tank dread to be in reality a low tank, low DPS dread.
arbiter reformed Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:00:00 - [16] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 14:00:30 Originally by: Kai Lae Originally by: Typhado3 damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. Whoops forgot one, good point. Nag despite having more weapons than other dreads generally does less DPS, because the limited amounts of lows and split weapon systems mean that mounting damage mods is a questionable decision. Most other kinds of dreads can carry at least one and sometimes as much as three, creating what appears on paper to be a high damage, low tank dread to be in reality a low tank, low DPS dread. that said ive heard of ppl puting 5 damgae mods in the lows for afk pos seiges, aparently works quite well edit>>> lol
Lisento Slaven The Drekla Consortium Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:04:00 - [17] Moa...I never see people using these for a reason. Retribution can take on any interceptor 1v1. I can usually pop them before they even manage to warp out if they're silly enough to try and engage me in my retribution =) --- Put in space whales!
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:08:00 - [18] Originally by: But Sects Deimos :( I wouldn't call it flat-out worst in terms of performance, but it could very well be at the bottom of the list in how well it lives up to its role. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:30:00 - [19] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/04/2009 14:33:02 I would have to go with the Omen I think. There's barely a ship this cruiser can meet that it wouldn't die horribly to, including a moa. - Impossible to tank properly using ewar or plates or resistance amplifiers or speed mods. - Around as easy to kill as a falcon when gank fit. - Plate it like a maller for less dps then an inceptor and the speed of a drunk raven pilot. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to fly an omen utterly useless unless tech 2 fit and even tech 2 fit is a total waste of money on such a poor hull. Grab a maller or arbitrator and tech 2 fit that instead. if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:40:00 - [20] cRaptor
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:02:00 - [21] Moa can work so some degree, tho it is kinda poor. Omen I got no love for at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:12:00 - [22] Anything i fly
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Moa can work so some degree, tho it is kinda poor. Omen I got no love for at all. I agree, the Moa is not a great ship, but it is no where near the worst. It compares very favorably to the rest of the T1 sniper cruisers. Plus you can put blasters on it, and use the extended range, with the high damage weapons for at least mediocre results.
Walker Bulldog Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:42:00 - [24] I honestly don't get all the Naglfar hate. Yeah, it isn't very often that I end up #1 on a tower killmail (though it does happen), but I'm almost always in top quarter.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:54:00 - [25] Hawk. Its so terrible in every way. I almost want to stock up on them in the hopes they get a buff. Give this useless ship some dps or buffer. I can't think of a reason why I'd use a Hawk over a Caracal. Moa is fine - use it as a cheap, durable blaster tackler (I actually use a Maller for the same reason). Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
kor anon Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:07:00 - [26] laser moa's eat thoraxs for brekkie.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:13:00 - [27] Hawk, its dps is fail and active shield tanking isn't practical on a frigate (1 nuet = ****ed.)
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:29:00 - [28] Any of the freighters. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Magonushi Third Return Inc. Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:29:00 - [29] What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:52:00 - [30] I think people have a hard time at picking a BAD BS because they are useful for something in pvp setup right. i dont know about the worse ship in game ( probably a t2 gallente cruiser) but destroyers are definately the worse class. And hawks dont suck they are just fitted and played improperly. rockets on a hawk = fail trying to make a hawk into a DPS boat= fail trying to use a hawk as a solo pwn boat= fail hawks are small gang tackle.and its not exactly hard to tank a ship with 1-2 neuts.just requires some finesse.
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:57:00 - [31] The worst 3 t2 ships, in no particular order: Raptor - the worst interceptor by a long, long way. Slow, weak, rubbish. It locks fast but since when did people start picking interceptors based on sig analysis? Exactly. Hawk - A frigate with an active tank bonus and worse dps than not only its t1 hull (Merlin), but the frigate hull one tier below it as well (Kestrel). Deimos - Too fragile, too slow, MASSIVELY vulnerable to nearly all e-war (jamming, webbing, tracking disruption and neuting), not enough advantage over its t1 hull to come anywhere NEAR justifying its cost. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Magonushi What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet. Take all the Minmatar BS's and the Hyperion. Put them all in a hat, and pull one.
Enden Assulu Caldari Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Beverly Sparks Originally by: Magonushi What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet. Take all the Minmatar BS's and the Hyperion. Put them all in a hat, and pull one. The hyperion? What?
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:40:00 - [34] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 27/04/2009 17:44:39 Originally by: But Sects Deimos :( Diemost. Originally by: Magonushi What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet. Minmatar. Also, not typhoon. I put typhoon in the top three.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.27 17:53:00 - [35] I'll ** the forums off by saying the Armageddon is the worst PvP BS. 2 mids (since the cap injector is required) makes for a total fail PvP BS. Terrible RR BS (3 mids and one spare high) and gets outclassed by the Torp Raven in almost every way in terms of gang DPS (except past 45km where Jav Torps can't hit,but by then, you are in falloff in Scorch anyways. EFT kids don't load Scorch because the DPS number is too low anyhow). * Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Graalum Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Typhado3 Originally by: arbiter reformed Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR, damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. naglfar > pheonix
oMAKo Gallente Kiroshi Group Exiliar Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:25:00 - [37] Edited by: oMAKo on 27/04/2009 18:26:14 Edited by: oMAKo on 27/04/2009 18:25:46 Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 27/04/2009 17:44:39 Originally by: But Sects Deimos :( Diemost. Corection Failmost (see what i did there!) Both Gallente command ships. ------------- Kiroshi Group -------------
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:34:00 - [38] Ashimmu. Expensive and quite crappy, fitting sucks, no drones, bonuses are weaker than in recons etc.
Orakkus Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:35:00 - [39] Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten that it actually has a PVP job (Tracking Links). I only do diplomancy because I haven't found you.. yet.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten Scythe is so bad that many people have never seen one. Shuttles are more welcome in a gang/fleet than a Scythe.
Fox Ogmo Net 7 The Last Brigade	Posted - 2009.04.27 18:58:00 - [41] The poorest performance for pvp is usually a case of; it's not the ship it's how you use it. I will never forget the number of ridiculous fits I saw this guy flying: legendary drake. And on the flip side, you can do alot with the crappiest ships around (I consider velator OP, drone bay on a rookie ship?!): Velator ftw
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:06:00 - [42] Nighthawk. Try fitting an mwd, a full rack of hams, and anything else on it without using RCUs. Moa and Ashimmu are pretty terribad too. Maller?
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:11:00 - [43] Moa is one of the top 3 best t1 cruisers, along with the Rupture and Vexor(or Thorax depends on who you ask). The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
Wardeneo Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Liang Nuren Any of the freighters. -Liang this! wardeneo
4 LOM United Gamers	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:42:00 - [45] Gila, Worm, Hawk. (Gila and worm get not only split weapon systems but split weapon bonuses!!! mini typhoons with none of the slight upsides the typhoon gets..) Those are terrible... cant think of worse. Raptor would make the list except it can do long range tackle so its usefull in a pvp gang its just useless compared to the other long range ceptors. Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
Chompy	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:47:00 - [46] Hawk and Harpy are just amazingly underpowered.
Lilith Velkor Minmatar OVERLOAD. Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten that it actually has a PVP job (Tracking Links). DingDingDing, we have a winner.
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:18:00 - [48] Ferox.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:23:00 - [49] Isn't Scythe a mining boat though, kinda like Osprey? Yeah, Osprey has the whole buff thingie too but whoever uses it? Anyways, worst ships ingame depends on role though. Worst ship for solo PvP? Any ship with 1 medslot or rocket bonus. Worst ship for gangs? I dunno, maybe Drake since all it does is sit there and throw missiles at people in frustration of not getting shot at. Then again, I just hate Drakes anyways so I'm biased. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Bubble Meat	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:24:00 - [50] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: Mystafyre Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible. Moa isnt bad at all, especially if you consider the surprise factor: [Moa, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 410 DPS, 26.3k EHP Worst is probably something like the stupid merlin or post-nerf stabber (unless you pour tons of isk into it for ambit rigs etc). Hawk is probably up there at the top of the crap pile too. Thats good for ganking and being in fleet. Otherwise you will just find yourself unable to traget anything, and neuted to uselessness.
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten that it actually has a PVP job (Tracking Links). I killed a can flipper with one once, people think "mining cruiser" I think, wolf in sheep's clothing.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Misina Arlath Isn't Scythe a mining boat though, kinda like Osprey? Yeah, Osprey has the whole buff thingie too but whoever uses it? yes, but the tracking bonus is useless on the Scythe. The Osprey's 2nd bonus makes it great for the isk. Mostly to recharge shields on pos/stations or a cheap logistic ship. The Osprey might be used more often for its logistics than mining bonus.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:48:00 - [53] Originally by: Wardeneo Originally by: Liang Nuren Any of the freighters. -Liang this! wardeneo They make superb bait.
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2009.04.27 20:49:00 - [54] Scythe could be handy for boosting sniper gangs, but I would rather use a Scimitar for that job because it can shield transfer as well, so in that sense it's not useless, just situational (like every other ship in the game). It's hard to argue that there's a "worse ship EVAR" in EVE PvP because each has their role, but for the worst ship that tries to perform it's role I would go with the retribution hands down; it has one midslot and decent DPS, but it's a frigate hull which means it cannot do a frigate's main job (tackle) and it would be far better to bring a nanoed omen with a SB (cheaper, just as quick and can actually lock faster). Good for PvE, absolutely god awful for PvP, barring you have some type of arbitrary "frigate only" role and you have plenty of tacklers. It could do well in FW where more DPS is always welcome because everybody's a tackler, but I would consider a destroyer an equally viable (cheaper) option.
Katy Karkinoff Minmatar Psycho Chicks	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:02:00 - [55] Originally by: Gypsio III Both of my Hawks are named "worst ship in game". then why do you have 2
Orakkus Minmatar m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:25:00 - [56] Edited by: Orakkus on 27/04/2009 21:28:08 Originally by: EFT Warrior Scythe could be handy for boosting sniper gangs, but I would rather use a Scimitar for that job because it can shield transfer as well, so in that sense it's not useless, just situational (like every other ship in the game). Well, having tried this in actual practice, its alot of work to setup, for very little gain. At most, the ship can only support two additional ships.. and even that is pretty painful. It does not have the CPU or PG to field more than a small armor tank (so it can easily be alpha'ed) and lowest tier ACs. And really, would you really want to put a pilot in a pure light support ship in a gang when even a frigate would be more useful? I only do diplomancy because I haven't found you.. yet.
Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:27:00 - [57] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: Mystafyre Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible. Moa isnt bad at all, especially if you consider the surprise factor: [Moa, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 410 DPS, 26.3k EHP Worst is probably something like the stupid merlin or post-nerf stabber (unless you pour tons of isk into it for ambit rigs etc). Hawk is probably up there at the top of the crap pile too. EM will hit that like hot knife to butter..
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Mystafyre EM will hit that like hot knife to butter.. It doesn't matter, because Moa's suck so much that it won't get primaried until the only ships left are it and a drake. It's so bad it's...good?
Danuvia Za Bellum Aeternus	Posted - 2009.04.27 21:53:00 - [59] The Bellicose is a very nice frigate killer: 3 assault missile bays 5 warrior IIs. :)
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp LAST JUDGEMENT	Posted - 2009.04.27 22:47:00 - [60] Hawk, Raptor, Retribution -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.04.27 22:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn hawks are small gang tackle.and its not exactly hard to tank a ship with 1-2 neuts.just requires some finesse. Oh yea, the new Mesias has arrived!!! We all thought wrong, Assault Frigates arent Assault Frigates, they are Interceptors!!!
Zeerover DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2009.04.27 23:25:00 - [62] For the pricetag the Nighthawk has to be on the short list for worst PvP ship in the game. Can't fit anything and is outtanked and outganked by the Drake for 1/6th of the price.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:00:00 - [63] I'm sorry, the Nagl has already been mentioned, the answer is found; why is this thread continuing? Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Fairren	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Fox Ogmo The poorest performance for pvp is usually a case of; it's not the ship it's how you use it. I will never forget the number of ridiculous fits I saw this guy flying: legendary drake. And on the flip side, you can do alot with the crappiest ships around (I consider velator OP, drone bay on a rookie ship?!): Velator ftw That Drake has to be the worst fit.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Zeerover For the pricetag the Nighthawk has to be on the short list for worst PvP ship in the game. Can't fit anything and is outtanked and outganked by the Drake for 1/6th of the price. The way the price went says to me it's good for something.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:06:00 - [66] Merlin/Tristan: Split-weapon failures. Maller/Prophecy: Great (but obvious) bait, and little else. Bellicose looks fairly terrible as well.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:07:00 - [67] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Zeerover For the pricetag the Nighthawk has to be on the short list for worst PvP ship in the game. Can't fit anything and is outtanked and outganked by the Drake for 1/6th of the price. The way the price went says to me it's good for something. PvE...
Procopius	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:21:00 - [68] Which is better, the Moa or the CarrotCake (Caracal (sp?)) Because one of these will be my first cruiser.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:31:00 - [69] Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:39:00 - [70] Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE
Deloreian	Posted - 2009.04.28 01:02:00 - [71] Deimos, You can do the same thing for 100m less in a brutix.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.04.28 02:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Deloreian Deimos, You can do the same thing for 100m less in a brutix. As if only the Deimos would have this Problem...
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.28 02:52:00 - [73] caracal
Jack Dubrow The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.28 04:57:00 - [74] What's wrong with the Omen? [Omen, PVP] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Looks awesome to me! I don't see how you guys can say the Moa is better then the Omen though...in all honesty it looks more like a problem with the fitting requirements of some of these guns. Quad Light Beam's track almost as good as Focused Medium Pulse II's and have almost the same DPS and range. If your setup uses FMP II's you're probably better off using Quad Light Beams...unless you rely entirely on scorch/conflag and don't want gleam/aurora. --- Let all of it fall to the ground and burn with what we can not smell!
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.04.28 05:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Jack Dubrow 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Looks awesome to me! Your standards for 'awesome' seem pretty low tbh.
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.28 05:26:00 - [76] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten Scythe is so bad that many people have never seen one. Shuttles are more welcome in a gang/fleet than a Scythe. I used one once in a gang/fleet, long time ago... I actually almost got killed using it in its intended role by friendlies.
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.28 07:44:00 - [77] Originally by: Jack Dubrow What's wrong with the Omen? [Omen, PVP] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Looks awesome to me! I don't see how you guys can say the Moa is better then the Omen though...in all honesty it looks more like a problem with the fitting requirements of some of these guns. Quad Light Beam's track almost as good as Focused Medium Pulse II's and have almost the same DPS and range. If your setup uses FMP II's you're probably better off using Quad Light Beams...unless you rely entirely on scorch/conflag and don't want gleam/aurora. hell yeah man, quad light beams and 400mm plates, keep living the dream!
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:12:00 - [78] the omen really is pretty horrible. I died to a blaster moa once when it capped out while trying to keep range :( it just needs so much more grid/cpu. ferox isnt too bad though, blaster fits can go toe-to-toe with brutixes. Originally by: Bubble Meat Originally by: Morel Nova blaster moa fit Thats good for ganking and being in fleet. Otherwise you will just find yourself unable to traget anything, and neuted to uselessness. wait what what, just because the moa dies to another gang with ecm support or what? What did you expect out of it? its not more relying on cap than other cruisers and not a lot of t1 cruisers got room for injector anyway. (alo please list a pvp role outside fleet and ganking for me please :D) bad em resist isnt an enormous problem since the amarr cruisers fitting lasers are so ****. ruptures with EMP ammo might be a problem I dunno, but you get decent resists on the other parts of that damage. at least its better than a caracal :D gankfitting ships nobody primaries anyway are awsome btw (3x BCU drakes ftw) Put in space whales!
Temitten	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:42:00 - [79] Omen, while not great, isn't the worst ship in game. It's certainly better than many of the pirate faction ships, like ashimmu.
Noodly Appendage	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:56:00 - [80] osprey was pretty terrible last i tried
Noodly Appendage	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:58:00 - [81] Originally by: fuxinos Originally by: Deloreian Deimos, You can do the same thing for 100m less in a brutix. As if only the Deimos would have this Problem... CCP pay attention plx!
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:41:00 - [82] Originally by: Noodly Appendage osprey was pretty terrible last i tried not for mining =) Put in space whales!
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:44:00 - [83] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE I got a fit like that. I think I had to wedge a co-proc in there to make it all fit and it just felt gimpy.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:55:00 - [84] Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 11:25:00 - [85] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE I got a fit like that. I think I had to wedge a co-proc in there to make it all fit and it just felt gimpy. [Omen, tiny buffer] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 excuse the rigs... this fits problem is cap use. its hard to kill and keep range before you cap out :( the nano crap is mostly there because nothing else fits. Put in space whales!
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.28 11:32:00 - [86] Originally by: Gneeznow caracal I wub my Caracal! Well, "Caracals", as I seem to go through them at a fair rate. But they go though hostile frigates even more quickly.
Renesis Maximus	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:03:00 - [87] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Moa...I never see people using these for a reason. Retribution can take on any interceptor 1v1. I can usually pop them before they even manage to warp out if they're silly enough to try and engage me in my retribution =) The only reason you don't see anyone using them is because they don't know how to use them. The moa can be a competant, cheap sniper or a in-your-face blaster gank boat. You just can't fly them solo.
Known Commander Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:15:00 - [88] Originally by: AnKahn Ferox. I disagree , the ferox is a good ship :) [Ferox, Ferox] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 You can switch out one Mag stab for tracking enhancer at your desier , or to a full high rack of Ions if you drop to a small Neut , Also change that kinetic rig to EM if you so desire . Ship is cheap as chips with resis rigs , my skills 400ish dps at 2.4 + 4.6 with antimatter and out to 10 km and 350ish dps with Null . Warriors add 50 dps ( with my horrible drone skills ) 51k EHP , 900 m/s with microwarp on , however only to be used to catch up to a target. ---------------------- Death Before Dishonor
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE I got a fit like that. I think I had to wedge a co-proc in there to make it all fit and it just felt gimpy. [Omen, tiny buffer] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 excuse the rigs... this fits problem is cap use. its hard to kill and keep range before you cap out :( the nano crap is mostly there because nothing else fits. I tried to put damage mods in mine
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Nighthawk. Try fitting an mwd, a full rack of hams, and anything else on it without using RCUs. CCP says, you are doing it wrong : Quote: 17. 0102-01-0047 Nighthawk needs a power grid increase While the Nighthawk may have some performance issues, due to the lack of power output, compared to the other field command ships, the ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:58:00 - [91] Okay, so try fitting a rack of HMLs, gang mod and MWD on the Nighthawk. That doesn't work either.
SuperNova221	Posted - 2009.04.28 13:06:00 - [92] Originally by: Liang Nuren Any of the freighters. -Liang Freighters are juicy bait. Better for a small pirate gang than a Naglfar by far! Probably more mobile and useful.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.28 13:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Stalina Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Nighthawk. Try fitting an mwd, a full rack of hams, and anything else on it without using RCUs. CCP says, you are doing it wrong : Quote: 17. 0102-01-0047 Nighthawk needs a power grid increase While the Nighthawk may have some performance issues, due to the lack of power output, compared to the other field command ships, the ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. I'm going to put this as simply as possible. CCP is wrong.
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:13:00 - [94] Originally by: Gypsio III Okay, so try fitting a rack of HMLs, gang mod and MWD on the Nighthawk. That doesn't work either. Fail. Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega I'm going to put this as simply as possible. CCP is wrong. Fail. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
AnKahn Caldari The Giant Squid Corp.	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:15:00 - [95] Originally by: Known Commander Originally by: AnKahn Ferox. I disagree , the ferox is a good ship :) (What seems to be a good fit for a Ferox) I was sort of joking with the standard old skool response to the OP question. As I was passing thru battlecrusers as a pure Caldari I suprise did not have gun skills. I'm only getting to them now. So I will not dis the Ferox. I am now cross trained Gallente and fly drone boats. Skilling up guns slowly (many distractions). So when I get tech II blasters which race BC will I fly? The Ferox? I might try it. Just the forums have become bizzaro land with Amarr and Caldari on top and people making fun of Gallente??? Please tell me people get the joke. Hint. Gallente isn't nerfed.
Known Commander Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:29:00 - [96] Edited by: Known Commander on 28/04/2009 14:29:47 Originally by: AnKahn Originally by: Known Commander Originally by: AnKahn Ferox. I disagree , the ferox is a good ship :) (What seems to be a good fit for a Ferox) I was sort of joking with the standard old skool response to the OP question. As I was passing thru battlecrusers as a pure Caldari I suprise did not have gun skills. I'm only getting to them now. So I will not dis the Ferox. I am now cross trained Gallente and fly drone boats. Skilling up guns slowly (many distractions). So when I get tech II blasters which race BC will I fly? The Ferox? I might try it. Just the forums have become bizzaro land with Amarr and Caldari on top and people making fun of Gallente??? Please tell me people get the joke. Hint. Gallente isn't nerfed. Ah you are doing the same as me :) I can promise you , that you will not regret training Gun's just gotta start on my drone skills ;p I like both the Brutix and ferox however they are both dwarfed by the harby ---------------------- Death Before Dishonor
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:31:00 - [97] Originally by: Noodly Appendage osprey was pretty terrible last i tried They are great because many will try to attack you, as they dont expect it to fight back. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:43:00 - [98] Originally by: Stalina Fail. Regardless of whether or not CCP is correct in their intentions for the Nighthawk, this is still a thread about the worst pvp ship. And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless.
lollerwaffle Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:44:00 - [99] Edited by: lollerwaffle on 28/04/2009 14:45:21 lol @ all the people saying drake edit: actually drakes are crap, don't primary them, ever. They do no dps and have massive tank amirite? (hoping drakes do down in price but fat chance with all the mission runners)
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:46:00 - [100] Edited by: Morel Nova on 28/04/2009 14:46:34 Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Stalina Fail. Regardless of whether or not CCP is correct in their intentions for the Nighthawk, this is still a thread about the worst pvp ship. And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless. no no no, the nighthawk has a big important caldari role: dying EVEN SLOWER than a drake while providing absolutely nothing to the gang! :o Put in space whales!
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:53:00 - [101] Originally by: Morel Nova no no no, the nighthawk has a big important caldari role: dying EVEN SLOWER than a drake while providing absolutely nothing to the gang! :o Don't worry I made sure to fit my taunt module. Watch the aggro guys. Especially the rogues!
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:53:00 - [102] Originally by: Stalina CCP says, you are doing it wrong : Quote: 17. 0102-01-0047 Nighthawk needs a power grid increase While the Nighthawk may have some performance issues, due to the lack of power output, compared to the other field command ships, the ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. Read your own quote, Stalina. CCP does not say no to HMs and MWD.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.28 14:58:00 - [103] Originally by: Stalina Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Nighthawk. Try fitting an mwd, a full rack of hams, and anything else on it without using RCUs. CCP says, you are doing it wrong : Quote: 17. 0102-01-0047 Nighthawk needs a power grid increase While the Nighthawk may have some performance issues, due to the lack of power output, compared to the other field command ships, the ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. At least they are aware of it, and said they might change it. As I hope they do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Jack Dubrow The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.28 15:06:00 - [104] Originally by: Gneeznow hell yeah man, quad light beams and 400mm plates, keep living the dream! You can get 20k EHP with 2x RCU II's and a larger plate...but requires you to drop the MAR II. I personally prefer having the MAR II for repping post-fight with the...I think it was like 13 to 16k EHP with the 400 plates? Around 250 DPS with my skills using the faction crystals, 6km optimal. 22km optimal with aurora but your tracking suffers. We don't see Moa's because Moa's suck. In a gang people would prefer an Omen over a Moa. In a gate camp...you "might" want a Moa over an Omen...actually no you wouldn't. Sniping at the cruiser level is pathetic. I will say that a gang SHOULD prefer a Bellicose over Omen or Moa though...that's for sure. --- Let all of it fall to the ground and burn with what we can not smell!
Hara Eflo	Posted - 2009.04.28 15:49:00 - [105] erm... battle exquror(sp?) :D
Flitz Farseeker Gallente Interstellar Stormfront	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:06:00 - [106] +1 vote for the Exequror. It's even bad as a mission runner. It only has some utility as a salvage boat or mining ship. The Navy Exequror is slightly better, although it's still worse than a normal Vexor or Thorax and only worth taking into PVP to give someone a comedy killmail.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:12:00 - [107] Originally by: Grimpak Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? I don't think i've ever seen an Augoror in space, ever.
Misaniovent Blood Phage Syndicate Dominatus Atrum Mortis	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:26:00 - [108] The Retribution is the worst PVP ship in the game. There is always a better choice if you need a ship in a frigate gang to do DPS. A frigate in a gang must be able to tackle, always. Always. Always. Except the Kitsune, but for entirely different reasons. That said, the Retribution is an excellent PVE ship.
steveid Killed In Action The Firm.	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:55:00 - [109] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Grimpak Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? I don't think i've ever seen an Augoror in space, ever. I've seen them used for pvp in fact, makes a pretty good heavy tackle due to its silly ability to have everlasting armor. Some low sec pimpmobile squad gave me a raping with a rattlesnake and an augorer once in my geddon. Happy days.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.04.28 16:59:00 - [110] I lol hard every time I see somebody bring a hawk to an enemy gang. I rage harder every time I see one of them in one of my gangs. Crap dps, crap tank, doesn't do anything another ship cant' do better, slow, expensive, just all around terrible. __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
kor anon Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:03:00 - [111] Originally by: steveid Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Grimpak Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? I don't think i've ever seen an Augoror in space, ever. I've seen them used for pvp in fact, makes a pretty good heavy tackle due to its silly ability to have everlasting armor. Some low sec pimpmobile squad gave me a raping with a rattlesnake and an augorer once in my geddon. Happy days. Are you sure that wasnt a navy augoror? i have one they are awesome
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:10:00 - [112] Edited by: Stalina on 28/04/2009 17:11:24 Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Stalina CCP says, you are doing it wrong : Quote: 17. 0102-01-0047 Nighthawk needs a power grid increase While the Nighthawk may have some performance issues, due to the lack of power output, compared to the other field command ships, the ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. Read your own quote, Stalina. CCP does not say no to HMs and MWD. Wow you are a total fool. Read the quote again. It does not say : "Don't use HAMS while using an MWD". It says you shouldn't use neither MWD's nor HAMS. Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Stalina Fail. Regardless of whether or not CCP is correct in their intentions for the Nighthawk, this is still a thread about the worst pvp ship. And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless. Did EFT tell you that? ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:18:00 - [113] Edited by: Gypsio III on 28/04/2009 17:18:22 Don't be thick, Stalina. "And" ≠ "Or". You appear to be confusing the following two statements. Originally by: CCP The ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. Originally by: Stalina's Imagination The ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers or Micro Warp Drives.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:20:00 - [114] Originally by: Stalina Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Regardless of whether or not CCP is correct in their intentions for the Nighthawk, this is still a thread about the worst pvp ship. And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless. Did EFT tell you that? Wow, the irony of this is mind-boggling.
Sun Clausewitz	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:35:00 - [115] Worst Solo PVP Ship in the game.... Pick a Caldari one. ///my vote is for sale, he who sends the most iskies gets it\\\
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 17:59:00 - [116] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless. it is? ok yeah, mwd and AB are mandatory in pvp yadda yadda yadda. but a BC that can't fit a mwd is really that useless? what the hell are you trying to do with it, break the speed record? Originally by: Misaniovent A frigate in a gang must be able to tackle, always. Always. Always. why sure. next time I'll go in a PVP OP I'll be the prime tackler in my nemesis or my buzzard. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 18:00:00 - [117] Originally by: steveid Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Grimpak Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? I don't think i've ever seen an Augoror in space, ever. I've seen them used for pvp in fact, makes a pretty good heavy tackle due to its silly ability to have everlasting armor. Some low sec pimpmobile squad gave me a raping with a rattlesnake and an augorer once in my geddon. Happy days. navy aug? probably. standart, run of the mill aug? only usage I can find for it is to produce guardians tbh. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
KiSsMy MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2009.04.28 18:07:00 - [118] Osprey? followed by Osprey navy issue?
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.04.28 18:18:00 - [119] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless. it is? ok yeah, mwd and AB are mandatory in pvp yadda yadda yadda. but a BC that can't fit a mwd is really that useless? what the hell are you trying to do with it, break the speed record? Range control. It's kind of a big deal. Unless you enjoy being humped by blasterbrutes or anything else that can outgank a nighthawk at short range (hint: almost anything).
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.04.28 18:18:00 - [120] Originally by: Grimpak navy aug? probably. standart, run of the mill aug? only usage I can find for it is to produce guardians tbh. You can use it as a bad navy aug I guess....???? Quote: [Augoror, BAIT TACKLE!!1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Small Energy Neutralizer II [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Warrior II x1 __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 19:10:00 - [121] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega And a battlecruiser size ship that can't fit a mwd is useless. it is? ok yeah, mwd and AB are mandatory in pvp yadda yadda yadda. but a BC that can't fit a mwd is really that useless? what the hell are you trying to do with it, break the speed record? Range control. It's kind of a big deal. Unless you enjoy being humped by blasterbrutes or anything else that can outgank a nighthawk at short range (hint: almost anything). problem is, I'm not seeing an NH going solo, nor any missile ship above cruiser for that matter. While I can concede that the NH lacks range control, such thing matters much less when you're in gangs, and even moreso when you're considering shield tankers. Also, "blasterbrutes" might dish zomgfirepower, but until you consider the fact that only in like 10% of the fights you have the range on your favour (like starting fight at optimal), I don't expect them to be able to do that much damage to me if they want to do 20km while using mwd, tank, and shoot and still manage to get on site with good ammount of cap. sure there's cap charges, but a cargo hold can only hold so much, and blasterships that can really hurt the NH are either BC or above them, wich in the later case, would probably melt any other BC/CBC for that matter. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 19:11:00 - [122] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Grimpak navy aug? probably. standart, run of the mill aug? only usage I can find for it is to produce guardians tbh. You can use it as a bad navy aug I guess....???? Quote: [Augoror, BAIT TACKLE!!1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency S Small Energy Neutralizer II [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Warrior II x1 think a proph would do a better job at that --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Imogen Filiotov Amarr Gene Works Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.04.28 20:40:00 - [123] I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sacrilege yet. If you want a good pvp and you're Amarr, do what everyone else does.. Zealot.
The Dribber Amarr Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:28:00 - [124] Originally by: steveid Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Grimpak Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? I don't think i've ever seen an Augoror in space, ever. I've seen them used for pvp in fact, makes a pretty good heavy tackle due to its silly ability to have everlasting armor. Some low sec pimpmobile squad gave me a raping with a rattlesnake and an augorer once in my geddon. Happy days. Ive seen them used, doing 4x Small Energy Transfer, as intended. Was nice ------------------------ The DribbLer ...yes, I typo'd my own name...
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.04.28 21:53:00 - [125] Originally by: Imogen Filiotov I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sacrilege yet. If you want a good pvp and you're Amarr, do what everyone else does.. Zealot. Because the sacrilege is far from being the worst PVP ship in the game, perhaps? It's at least competent in gangs which is more than can be said for a LOT of other ships and is one of the top 3 solo HACs (Sacrilege, Vagabond, Ishtar) __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Imogen Filiotov Amarr Gene Works Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:14:00 - [126] I've not ever seen 1 person use a sac except for this one time in high sec. Just one time.
Nyx Cyth	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:20:00 - [127] Originally by: Imogen Filiotov I've not ever seen 1 person use a sac except for this one time in high sec. Just one time. I used to use one about a year ago, Managed to Tank 3 BS and then for a Further 2-3 mins after a Inty got me (DPS and Range Control was always an issue though it ended up 90% of the time being a trade off)
Mystafyre Caldari Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:20:00 - [128] Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Worst Solo PVP Ship in the game.... Pick a Caldari one. Drake is great solo ship.
Mystafyre Caldari Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:24:00 - [129] Originally by: Hara Eflo erm... battle exquror(sp?) :D Scythe sucks more I guess
Mystafyre Caldari Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.04.28 22:28:00 - [130] Originally by: Grimpak Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? Before Apocrypha you could get a amarr character, out of the box with 15 minute training (or so) into Augoror, with t2 medium remote armor reppers and poor tank. Some guys just kept creating new ones for their neutral reppers in high sec can flipping..
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.28 23:52:00 - [131] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Imogen Filiotov I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Sacrilege yet. If you want a good pvp and you're Amarr, do what everyone else does.. Zealot. Because the sacrilege is far from being the worst PVP ship in the game, perhaps? It's at least competent in gangs which is more than can be said for a LOT of other ships and is one of the top 3 solo HACs (Sacrilege, Vagabond, Ishtar) imho sac is the worst hac in the game atm, I would rather fly a beagle or a deimos or an AC muninn than one, every time I fly a sac I die horribly, everytime I fight a sac it dies horribly, only thing this ship excels at is ninja ratting with a cloak fitted, big cargo bay for the hams etc.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.29 00:28:00 - [132] Originally by: Gneeznow imho sac is the worst hac in the game atm, I would rather fly a beagle or a deimos or an AC muninn than one, every time I fly a sac I die horribly, everytime I fight a sac it dies horribly, only thing this ship excels at is ninja ratting with a cloak fitted, big cargo bay for the hams etc. While I would still prefer it over deimos or muninn, the Sac is pretty terribad, imo. If it had 6-7 lows, it might make a potent solo ship, but as it is, it's subpar: solo? crap DPS or crap tank. Gang? Why are you not in a Zealot?
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.29 01:35:00 - [133] Why are people fittign Nighthawks for solo pvp fits? MWD + HAMS + GANGLINK Why not stick to heavies, use an AB, and stay out of point raneg and provide gang links and anti-support for your gang? I don't fly command ships - but if I did, I wouldn't want my 200+ million isk ship (uninsurable) anywhere near web and point range. Just saying... Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
Barkel Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.29 07:27:00 - [134] Originally by: Crackzilla yes, but the tracking bonus is useless on the Scythe. The Osprey's 2nd bonus makes it great for the isk. Mostly to recharge shields on pos/stations or a cheap logistic ship. The Osprey might be used more often for its logistics than mining bonus. This is the key point to the scythes PvP role. The introduction of the scripts system blew the crap out of the tracking link bonus. The best boost any ship can now provide with a T2 tracking link for optimal/tracking is 15%/30% respectively. The scythe at best gives an optimal/tracking boost of 17.625%/35.25%. Which is pretty pathetic no matter how you look at it. The only support ship where its primary ability is more useful for the range it can do it at rather then how much better it is in the actual bonus. No other PvP oriented bonuses makes it one sad ship for PvP. Oh and to add insult to injury tracking disruptors now affect falloff while tracking links don't.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.29 08:04:00 - [135] Originally by: Omarvelous Why are people fittign Nighthawks for solo pvp fits? MWD + HAMS + GANGLINK Why not stick to heavies, use an AB, and stay out of point raneg and provide gang links and anti-support for your gang? I don't fly command ships - but if I did, I wouldn't want my 200+ million isk ship (uninsurable) anywhere near web and point range. Just saying... because people have this mindset that every ship must be solo-capable to achieve the status of non-sucking. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.04.29 13:28:00 - [136] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Moa...I never see people using these for a reason. Retribution can take on any interceptor 1v1. I can usually pop them before they even manage to warp out if they're silly enough to try and engage me in my retribution =) I think people avoid the Moa because of it's ugliness and, to be fair, it is possibly the ugliest spaceship of all-time. It is why I didn't use it for a very long time. However, I find it a very useful PvP ship, much like the Thorax. The Retribution is an underated ship too. Admittedly, not much cop at tackling or ecm or anything that might require a middle slot, but it can field some good dps. It does pretty much what the Amarr philosophy is all about: lasers and armour. The Scythe would have to be the worst ship I have used in a PvP situation, although that ship is probably more dedicated to logistics than combat. I wasn't too struck on the Crusader, either, although I'm okay with the Malediction. I may be treating it unfairly though, but it just seems like every Crusader I have flown gets popped in seconds. Other interceptors I have flown seem to last much longer (although an interceptors life is a bit like a mayfly's).
Marquis Jeladriel	Posted - 2009.04.30 03:06:00 - [137] Ferox.... just can't make it work well and not be out performed by other ships.... that said, because it's lame it's primaried less than a drake
Kamen SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.04.30 04:28:00 - [138] Ferox and Eagle for the "No way to fit to make sense" factor. ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal. Kontakt Soder/Me West
chromez0r Gallente Dead 2 Rights	Posted - 2009.04.30 06:54:00 - [139] ferox? as if! ferox is the most under-rated teir 1 bc in the game, ill take on any teir 1 bc in my ferox, it laughs off the dps of a brutix, while demolishing it, cyclones well lol, prophecy has laughable dps and its just a matter of time to kill it. only the harb and myrm(gank myrms) are a problem for the ferox. maybe a cane with a good pilot/fitting. but most of the time thats not the case :)
Black Kestrel Kouncel	Posted - 2009.04.30 06:54:00 - [140] Jumping on the Scythe wagon sounds good.
rogertherabbit	Posted - 2009.04.30 09:35:00 - [141] gosh with all this smack towards the sac, i may buy one. Laser sac anyone?
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.30 12:33:00 - [142] Sacrilege is awesome. My T2 dual MAR fit gets 467 defense, 21.5k EHP and 416 DPS with faction missiles, 457 with T2. In comparison, a standard Vaga fit gets 24k EHP and 512 DPS, which is greatly reduced at ranges it operates in (sacrilege easily out damages it at 18km with faction HAMs). An Ishtar gets 520+ or so DPS, but that's with Ogres IIs and small blasters - so if you want to do that much to a cruiser, you have to tank it out - and if you try to keep your range, you suffer the risk of having your drones outran or destroyed. Not to mention the huge advantage that is the ability to select damage type without losing potential DPS. Heck, if you want more DPS, you can get 488 with faction HAMs (538 with T2) and 2 BCS, while still keeping quite a bit of your tanking capability (loses to a dual mar ishtar, though). After the Vagabond, Sacrilege is my favorite HAC. The problem is that if you didn't cross train Amarr from Caldari or Minmatar, you most likely don't have the missile skills needed to make it good. If you prefer to fly the Deimos over it, you're doing something terribly wrong.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.30 13:09:00 - [143] Edited by: Gypsio III on 30/04/2009 13:10:45 Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Sacrilege is awesome. What's your Sac fit? I have HAM Spec V but have only just bothered to train for the Sac, mainly because I haven't got a clue how to use it, because of the clash between tank, DPS and mobility. The Sac seems to be defined by "big active tank" and "more mobile than HAM Drake". But not only is tanking not a role, fitting armour rigs gimps the mobility advantage. Although without armour rigs it can get a very nice active tank - but not if you want damage even vaguely comparable to a HAM Drake - or much better than a HM Cerb that has ten times the range, for that matter. I just can't get my head round how to fit it or when to use it.
LucyintheSky	Posted - 2009.05.01 12:30:00 - [144] Edited by: LucyintheSky on 01/05/2009 12:36:45 FEROX It's so bad everyone has forgotten it exists. Seriously, when was the last time you even saw one in space? They're only built to be turned into Vultures and Nighthawks. The pathetic attempt to boost them by giving them an extra gun slot made no difference whatsoever. RAPTOR Laughable as you cannot fit a tank - making a tackle ship out of a shield-tanker FTL. Laughable as, once you fit a tank and vital speed mods, you have no fitting capacity left to fit... weapons. FALCON Originally given a paper-thin tank because "range was it's tank", now it's lost the range it's still got the paper-thin tank. PHOENIX Citadel torpedoes. Well, the key word "torpedo" should be a red-flag to most. And this ship uses Citadel torps. They're only in fleets because people train for them without checking to see how they perform first...
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.01 12:49:00 - [145] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Omarvelous Why are people fittign Nighthawks for solo pvp fits? MWD + HAMS + GANGLINK Why not stick to heavies, use an AB, and stay out of point raneg and provide gang links and anti-support for your gang? I don't fly command ships - but if I did, I wouldn't want my 200+ million isk ship (uninsurable) anywhere near web and point range. Just saying... because people have this mindset that every ship must be solo-capable to achieve the status of non-sucking. Hint: AB won't let you stay out of point range. For a ship to be non sucking, it must be able to fit a MWD, weapons and a decent buffer tank for thats ships level. It has nothing to do with being able to solo or not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.01 12:57:00 - [146] Originally by: LucyintheSky FALCON Originally given a paper-thin tank because "range was it's tank", now it's lost the range it's still got the paper-thin tank. It's got the same tanking potential as any other Force Recon.
lu ma	Posted - 2009.05.01 13:02:00 - [147] TEMPEST \o/
LucyintheSky	Posted - 2009.05.01 13:08:00 - [148] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: LucyintheSky FALCON Originally given a paper-thin tank because "range was it's tank", now it's lost the range it's still got the paper-thin tank. It's got the same tanking potential as any other Force Recon. Yeah, right. How many other recons put their primary weapon in their tanking slot layer? Not rapier. Not huggin.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.01 13:20:00 - [149] Rapier/Huginn: webs, midslots. Lachesis/Arazu: disruptors/scramblers/RSD, midslots. Answer: most of them. All of them, when Curse/Pilgrim are focusing on TDs.
Foulque	Posted - 2009.05.01 13:48:00 - [150] Auguror ________
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:15:00 - [151] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 30/04/2009 13:10:45 Originally by: Benedikt Miloslav Sacrilege is awesome. What's your Sac fit? I have HAM Spec V but have only just bothered to train for the Sac, mainly because I haven't got a clue how to use it, because of the clash between tank, DPS and mobility. The sac is one of those ships that's really, really good in a few situations and decent in most other ones, I think. I find it underwhelming but I don't like HAMs or the maller hull for that matter :p I'm guessing, from the numbers he posted, that his fit is: Quote: [Sacrilege, Midrange ] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Nanobot Accelerator I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Warrior II x3 As this fit tanks exactly 467 dps, deals exactly 416, and has 21511 EHP against equally spread damage types, I'm guessing it's pretty much exactly what he's running (although the last highslot may vary, personally I think the small neut is the best anyway). __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Noemi Nagano	Posted - 2009.05.06 11:53:00 - [152] Originally by: Grimpak Also, "blasterbrutes" might dish zomgfirepower, but until you consider the fact that only in like 10% of the fights you have the range on your favour (like starting fight at optimal), I don't expect them to be able to do that much damage to me if they want to do 20km while using mwd, tank, and shoot and still manage to get on site with good ammount of cap. sure there's cap charges, but a cargo hold can only hold so much, and blasterships that can really hurt the NH are either BC or above them, wich in the later case, would probably melt any other BC/CBC for that matter. Besides the fact I agree with you here I want to mention the fact a Blasterbrutix might have nice DPS - but tends to have also a very crappy tank. That said it could be possible the Brutix is doing much damage but will still die first to a Drake or NH due to their much better EHP. At least thats what happend to a friend of mine quite often who is flying a PvP Drake.
Mystafyre Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:04:00 - [153] Cyclone. I was thinking about battlecruisers yesterday and I think Cyclone and Ferox are the worst BC class ships. Cyclone sure is mini typhoon, but it's that only by the split weapons, not that it would be usefull to anything
Beltantis Torrence Balls Deep Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:06:00 - [154] Ferox and Moa fail for having no role at all. As far as worst ever I guess Scythe. Navy Exqueror gets an honorable mention as a useless piece of crap.
Meatball Enema	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:55:00 - [155] Everything I fly gets the 'fail' prefix
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:18:00 - [156] Originally by: Beltantis Torrence Edited by: Beltantis Torrence on 06/05/2009 12:07:05 Ferox and Moa fail for having no role at all. As far as worst ever I guess Scythe. Navy Exqueror gets an honorable mention as a useless piece of crap. ferox owns, it truly does, as a blaster ship, hell even with autocannons or lasers its actually good, Moa is also fun to fly tbh, I use a moa for 'sec runs' through 0.0 to get my sec up, blaster moa can rat most spawns and is cheap and disposable

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