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fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.04.27 22:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn hawks are small gang tackle.and its not exactly hard to tank a ship with 1-2 neuts.just requires some finesse. Oh yea, the new Mesias has arrived!!! We all thought wrong, Assault Frigates arent Assault Frigates, they are Interceptors!!!
Zeerover DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2009.04.27 23:25:00 - [62] For the pricetag the Nighthawk has to be on the short list for worst PvP ship in the game. Can't fit anything and is outtanked and outganked by the Drake for 1/6th of the price.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:00:00 - [63] I'm sorry, the Nagl has already been mentioned, the answer is found; why is this thread continuing? Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Fairren	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:05:00 - [64] Originally by: Fox Ogmo The poorest performance for pvp is usually a case of; it's not the ship it's how you use it. I will never forget the number of ridiculous fits I saw this guy flying: legendary drake. And on the flip side, you can do alot with the crappiest ships around (I consider velator OP, drone bay on a rookie ship?!): Velator ftw That Drake has to be the worst fit.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Zeerover For the pricetag the Nighthawk has to be on the short list for worst PvP ship in the game. Can't fit anything and is outtanked and outganked by the Drake for 1/6th of the price. The way the price went says to me it's good for something.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:06:00 - [66] Merlin/Tristan: Split-weapon failures. Maller/Prophecy: Great (but obvious) bait, and little else. Bellicose looks fairly terrible as well.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:07:00 - [67] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Zeerover For the pricetag the Nighthawk has to be on the short list for worst PvP ship in the game. Can't fit anything and is outtanked and outganked by the Drake for 1/6th of the price. The way the price went says to me it's good for something. PvE...
Procopius	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:21:00 - [68] Which is better, the Moa or the CarrotCake (Caracal (sp?)) Because one of these will be my first cruiser.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:31:00 - [69] Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2009.04.28 00:39:00 - [70] Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE
Deloreian	Posted - 2009.04.28 01:02:00 - [71] Deimos, You can do the same thing for 100m less in a brutix.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.04.28 02:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Deloreian Deimos, You can do the same thing for 100m less in a brutix. As if only the Deimos would have this Problem...
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.28 02:52:00 - [73] caracal
Jack Dubrow The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.28 04:57:00 - [74] What's wrong with the Omen? [Omen, PVP] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Looks awesome to me! I don't see how you guys can say the Moa is better then the Omen though...in all honesty it looks more like a problem with the fitting requirements of some of these guns. Quad Light Beam's track almost as good as Focused Medium Pulse II's and have almost the same DPS and range. If your setup uses FMP II's you're probably better off using Quad Light Beams...unless you rely entirely on scorch/conflag and don't want gleam/aurora. --- Let all of it fall to the ground and burn with what we can not smell!
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.04.28 05:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Jack Dubrow 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Looks awesome to me! Your standards for 'awesome' seem pretty low tbh.
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium	Posted - 2009.04.28 05:26:00 - [76] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Orakkus Scythe - It is so bad, that people have long forgotten Scythe is so bad that many people have never seen one. Shuttles are more welcome in a gang/fleet than a Scythe. I used one once in a gang/fleet, long time ago... I actually almost got killed using it in its intended role by friendlies.
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.28 07:44:00 - [77] Originally by: Jack Dubrow What's wrong with the Omen? [Omen, PVP] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Quad Light Beam Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 Looks awesome to me! I don't see how you guys can say the Moa is better then the Omen though...in all honesty it looks more like a problem with the fitting requirements of some of these guns. Quad Light Beam's track almost as good as Focused Medium Pulse II's and have almost the same DPS and range. If your setup uses FMP II's you're probably better off using Quad Light Beams...unless you rely entirely on scorch/conflag and don't want gleam/aurora. hell yeah man, quad light beams and 400mm plates, keep living the dream!
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:12:00 - [78] the omen really is pretty horrible. I died to a blaster moa once when it capped out while trying to keep range :( it just needs so much more grid/cpu. ferox isnt too bad though, blaster fits can go toe-to-toe with brutixes. Originally by: Bubble Meat Originally by: Morel Nova blaster moa fit Thats good for ganking and being in fleet. Otherwise you will just find yourself unable to traget anything, and neuted to uselessness. wait what what, just because the moa dies to another gang with ecm support or what? What did you expect out of it? its not more relying on cap than other cruisers and not a lot of t1 cruisers got room for injector anyway. (alo please list a pvp role outside fleet and ganking for me please :D) bad em resist isnt an enormous problem since the amarr cruisers fitting lasers are so ****. ruptures with EMP ammo might be a problem I dunno, but you get decent resists on the other parts of that damage. at least its better than a caracal :D gankfitting ships nobody primaries anyway are awsome btw (3x BCU drakes ftw) Put in space whales!
Temitten	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:42:00 - [79] Omen, while not great, isn't the worst ship in game. It's certainly better than many of the pirate faction ships, like ashimmu.
Noodly Appendage	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:56:00 - [80] osprey was pretty terrible last i tried
Noodly Appendage	Posted - 2009.04.28 09:58:00 - [81] Originally by: fuxinos Originally by: Deloreian Deimos, You can do the same thing for 100m less in a brutix. As if only the Deimos would have this Problem... CCP pay attention plx!
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:41:00 - [82] Originally by: Noodly Appendage osprey was pretty terrible last i tried not for mining =) Put in space whales!
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:44:00 - [83] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE I got a fit like that. I think I had to wedge a co-proc in there to make it all fit and it just felt gimpy.
Grimpak Gallente Clubs and Diamonds	Posted - 2009.04.28 10:55:00 - [84] Auguror? why going for it, if with a bit more of skilling you can be in a guardian? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.28 11:25:00 - [85] Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE I got a fit like that. I think I had to wedge a co-proc in there to make it all fit and it just felt gimpy. [Omen, tiny buffer] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 excuse the rigs... this fits problem is cap use. its hard to kill and keep range before you cap out :( the nano crap is mostly there because nothing else fits. Put in space whales!
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.28 11:32:00 - [86] Originally by: Gneeznow caracal I wub my Caracal! Well, "Caracals", as I seem to go through them at a fair rate. But they go though hostile frigates even more quickly.
Renesis Maximus	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:03:00 - [87] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Moa...I never see people using these for a reason. Retribution can take on any interceptor 1v1. I can usually pop them before they even manage to warp out if they're silly enough to try and engage me in my retribution =) The only reason you don't see anyone using them is because they don't know how to use them. The moa can be a competant, cheap sniper or a in-your-face blaster gank boat. You just can't fly them solo.
Known Commander Krieger Allianz NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:15:00 - [88] Originally by: AnKahn Ferox. I disagree , the ferox is a good ship :) [Ferox, Ferox] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Energy Neutralizer II Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 You can switch out one Mag stab for tracking enhancer at your desier , or to a full high rack of Ions if you drop to a small Neut , Also change that kinetic rig to EM if you so desire . Ship is cheap as chips with resis rigs , my skills 400ish dps at 2.4 + 4.6 with antimatter and out to 10 km and 350ish dps with Null . Warriors add 50 dps ( with my horrible drone skills ) 51k EHP , 900 m/s with microwarp on , however only to be used to catch up to a target. ---------------------- Death Before Dishonor
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Morel Nova Originally by: TraininVain Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: TraininVain Ups. You're right. I didn't notice the PVP in the title I'd like to second the Omen then. It's so frustrating to fit. Guns. Check. Speed mod. Check. Plate... oh hang on. LSE I got a fit like that. I think I had to wedge a co-proc in there to make it all fit and it just felt gimpy. [Omen, tiny buffer] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Overdrive Injector System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 excuse the rigs... this fits problem is cap use. its hard to kill and keep range before you cap out :( the nano crap is mostly there because nothing else fits. I tried to put damage mods in mine
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.04.28 12:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Nighthawk. Try fitting an mwd, a full rack of hams, and anything else on it without using RCUs. CCP says, you are doing it wrong : Quote: 17. 0102-01-0047 Nighthawk needs a power grid increase While the Nighthawk may have some performance issues, due to the lack of power output, compared to the other field command ships, the ship is not designed to fit Heavy Assault Missile launchers and Micro Warp Drives. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

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