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Mystafyre Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:53:00 - [1] Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible.
Benedikt Miloslav	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:57:00 - [2] Retribution or something stupid like that.
But Sects	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:00:00 - [3] Deimos :(
Morel Nova z3r0 Gravity	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Mystafyre Yeah, what is the worst in everything? Only pvp ships, no industrials or hulks etc... Moa is my pick. It's just horrible. Moa isnt bad at all, especially if you consider the surprise factor: [Moa, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x3 410 DPS, 26.3k EHP Worst is probably something like the stupid merlin or post-nerf stabber (unless you pour tons of isk into it for ambit rigs etc). Hawk is probably up there at the top of the crap pile too. Put in space whales!
SuperNova221	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:03:00 - [5] Falcon For best I'd say Bantam, blaster fit!
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:21:00 - [6] Gotta be the Hawk. Rockets suck, and it depends on them. Also, Bellicose and Scythe are pretty crappy too. Mixed weapons, tracking links, target painters, small grid, poor slot distribution. What's not to hate.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:25:00 - [7] Both of my Hawks are named "worst ship in game".
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:35:00 - [8] I'd have a hard time naming any T1 ship as 'worst' simply because of their cost; they may be crap, but they're cheap and insurable. Hawk is a good choice for 'worst all around': poor fittings/slot layout, laughable DPS, shield boost bonus that gets wasted on a frigate because even a bonused small shield booster provides next to no tank. Raptor is another one: slow, gimped fittings despite finally having the proper hardpoint layout, low lock range for a Caldari ship. Retribution is probably the worst solo PvP ship because of its solitary midslot, but it's actually a wonderful DPS ship for friggy gangs. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
arbiter reformed Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:44:00 - [9] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR,
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:46:00 - [10] Any of the ships with 1 midslot!!! -- "If itÆs true that our species is alone in the universe, then IÆd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little" George Carlin
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:53:00 - [11] Originally by: arbiter reformed Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR, damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:53:00 - [12] Bellicose with 50kmsomething lock range (same as a vigil, actually) despite supposedly being a EW platform (and TP's having more optimal than the ship's lock range) which means a sensor booster is effectively required on a ship with limited midslots comes to mind. Also, omen has 5 turrets, but only the powergrid to arm 4. Well you could argue it has the powergrid to arm 3 actually Those would be my 2 big candidates.
arbiter reformed Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:57:00 - [13] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:58:06 Originally by: Kai Lae Bellicose with 50kmsomething lock range (same as a vigil, actually) despite supposedly being a EW platform (and TP's having more optimal than the ship's lock range) which means a sensor booster is effectively required on a ship with limited midslots comes to mind. Also, omen has 5 turrets, but only the powergrid to arm 4. Well you could argue it has the powergrid to arm 3 actually Those would be my 2 big candidates. meh thing is there still not as bad as the ashimmu, bellicose aint that bad really. nowhere near the worst ingame
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:57:00 - [14] Originally by: arbiter reformed Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:46:53 Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 13:45:36 all of the aformentioned ships pale in comparison to the ashimmu, it is horribly expensive and absolutly terrible, soon followed by the cruor which has two medslots and a web bonus? wtf as for non facion a hawk can still put a good point on som1 and tank well, a retribution can hit 30km with small guns and aint bad as muscle for af,inty gangs, a raptor is actually not a bad blaster boat hits 6 km with null lol (and its nowhere near as bad as the maladiction, sighhh..)same can be said for moas so there definatly not the worst. the critieria for worst must mean it fails horribly at what its ment to do, so....... NAGLFAR, damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.27 13:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Typhado3 damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. Whoops forgot one, good point. Nag despite having more weapons than other dreads generally does less DPS, because the limited amounts of lows and split weapon systems mean that mounting damage mods is a questionable decision. Most other kinds of dreads can carry at least one and sometimes as much as three, creating what appears on paper to be a high damage, low tank dread to be in reality a low tank, low DPS dread.
arbiter reformed Minmatar THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:00:00 - [16] Edited by: arbiter reformed on 27/04/2009 14:00:30 Originally by: Kai Lae Originally by: Typhado3 damn it, you beat me. Naglfar is just horible. I mean retri has it's uses as a dps but can't tackle sort like belli can dps but can't do ewar. Lots of ships out their completely fail at their job but can do something else, while it's crap and stupid doesn't make them worst pvp ships. Nag just plain out sucks it's dps is **, it's ehp is ** it takes longer to train and of all the dreads I'd say it's the least flexible. Whoops forgot one, good point. Nag despite having more weapons than other dreads generally does less DPS, because the limited amounts of lows and split weapon systems mean that mounting damage mods is a questionable decision. Most other kinds of dreads can carry at least one and sometimes as much as three, creating what appears on paper to be a high damage, low tank dread to be in reality a low tank, low DPS dread. that said ive heard of ppl puting 5 damgae mods in the lows for afk pos seiges, aparently works quite well edit>>> lol
Lisento Slaven The Drekla Consortium Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:04:00 - [17] Moa...I never see people using these for a reason. Retribution can take on any interceptor 1v1. I can usually pop them before they even manage to warp out if they're silly enough to try and engage me in my retribution =) --- Put in space whales!
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:08:00 - [18] Originally by: But Sects Deimos :( I wouldn't call it flat-out worst in terms of performance, but it could very well be at the bottom of the list in how well it lives up to its role. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:30:00 - [19] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/04/2009 14:33:02 I would have to go with the Omen I think. There's barely a ship this cruiser can meet that it wouldn't die horribly to, including a moa. - Impossible to tank properly using ewar or plates or resistance amplifiers or speed mods. - Around as easy to kill as a falcon when gank fit. - Plate it like a maller for less dps then an inceptor and the speed of a drunk raven pilot. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to fly an omen utterly useless unless tech 2 fit and even tech 2 fit is a total waste of money on such a poor hull. Grab a maller or arbitrator and tech 2 fit that instead. if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.27 14:40:00 - [20] cRaptor
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:02:00 - [21] Moa can work so some degree, tho it is kinda poor. Omen I got no love for at all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:12:00 - [22] Anything i fly
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Moa can work so some degree, tho it is kinda poor. Omen I got no love for at all. I agree, the Moa is not a great ship, but it is no where near the worst. It compares very favorably to the rest of the T1 sniper cruisers. Plus you can put blasters on it, and use the extended range, with the high damage weapons for at least mediocre results.
Walker Bulldog Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:42:00 - [24] I honestly don't get all the Naglfar hate. Yeah, it isn't very often that I end up #1 on a tower killmail (though it does happen), but I'm almost always in top quarter.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.27 15:54:00 - [25] Hawk. Its so terrible in every way. I almost want to stock up on them in the hopes they get a buff. Give this useless ship some dps or buffer. I can't think of a reason why I'd use a Hawk over a Caracal. Moa is fine - use it as a cheap, durable blaster tackler (I actually use a Maller for the same reason). Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
kor anon Amarr Seerauber-Vereinigung	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:07:00 - [26] laser moa's eat thoraxs for brekkie.
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:13:00 - [27] Hawk, its dps is fail and active shield tanking isn't practical on a frigate (1 nuet = ****ed.)
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:29:00 - [28] Any of the freighters. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Magonushi Third Return Inc. Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:29:00 - [29] What's the worst BS then. Haven't seen any listed yet.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:52:00 - [30] I think people have a hard time at picking a BAD BS because they are useful for something in pvp setup right. i dont know about the worse ship in game ( probably a t2 gallente cruiser) but destroyers are definately the worse class. And hawks dont suck they are just fitted and played improperly. rockets on a hawk = fail trying to make a hawk into a DPS boat= fail trying to use a hawk as a solo pwn boat= fail hawks are small gang tackle.and its not exactly hard to tank a ship with 1-2 neuts.just requires some finesse.

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