Yeah, I completely agree with this. I think that the new inventory UI was a great deal and all, but completely breaking previous functionality was a mistake. If they simply return the previous ability to have multiple windows that remember their position and 99% of people will be happy (and most of the remaining 1% just don't want anything to change no matter what).

The issue isn't the new inventory, it's the removal of the ability to do it the old way at all (see Incarna and ship spinning for an example of how that worked out last time).

Yes there is, because the multiple-window functionality is broken. The inventory system isn't aware of the fact that you can have multiple windows so it has a nasty habit of resetting itself and make all those windows more of a chore than an aid. This is not a niche case GÇö it's every case for unopened containers.

Wanting to drag stuff from one place to the next while keeping both locations in view is not GÇ£eccentricGÇ¥ GÇö it's how you most efficiently handle multiple storage locations. What's eccentric is the new system's aptitude for breaking this kind of work flow because it wants to be a one-window system and thus cannot properly handle multiple windows.

There are nice bits and pieces, but anything that requires significant amounts of inventory manipulation is made much harder and requires far more clicks now than it did before. It has also lost much of its ability to set up a GÇ£work spaceGÇ¥ and have consistently appear and behave the same. It works as a framework for an inventory management system, but it is far from being one at the moment due to that multi-window unawareness.

Also i personally think inferno is going to be a pretty good expansion, despite everything (they had to make lots of hard choices lately).

There are always idiots that will complain about a broken feature on the TEST server. A whole week and a half before the launch of the expansion no less. Constructive feedback on an issue is one thing...bitching like a little priss about it is another.

The window works fine, if all of you learned how it works you wouldn't be whining and complaining.


I've been testing things as they release the, spending hours a day on the test server trying to see how the new things will fit together for the new mods.

To facilitate this I've been putting together dozens of ships at a time, my hangar is FILLED with ****, cans, cap ships, ships, items, drugs, drones, what have you, i just tossed it all in there, not a care or separation in the world.


I have had absolutely 0 problems once I learned the HOW of the windows functions. Some people have complained that it removed the ability to have multiple windows open, and no, you're wrong, it removed the NEED not the ability.


If you play around with it, you will find that window simplified just about everything, and for ever job that got one click longer, a right click menu vanish.


If you don't think less right click menus in eve is a good thing then theres honestly no way to make sense to you.

EDIT: Holy christ not to mention corp hangars, **** me those are 10000x easier to deal with now.

There are always idiots that will complain about a broken feature on the TEST server.

you must be new here. EVE is the only game that I can think of where bugs went unfixed for so long that they became features.

I agree. We should wait until it's a broken feature on TQ before saying anything at all.




There's some use cases that could be improved with this system and I hope these issues are addressed before this thing goes live. I don't want to trash it too bad - the things it does right it does really right - but there's still room for improvement.

Constructive feedback = good. Very, very good.

I think his post was more directed at those making vocal, vague, obscure complaints... accusing the developers of stupidity... or simply offering opinion on something they obviously didn't actually work with (or at least work with long enough to fully understand).

Constructive feedback = good. Very, very good.

I think his post was more directed at those making vocal, vague, obscure complaints... accusing the developers of stupidity... or simply offering opinion on something they obviously didn't actually work with (or at least work with long enough to fully understand).

From my experiences so far on the test server, this is spot on.

I'll dig into a few specific cases discussed here tonight, and I'm sure there are some valid tweaks that should be made. .. but many of these posts seem to come from people that either haven't actually tried it, or don't understand how to use a simple tree menu properly.

New inventory system is sweet, you can make it look like the old one too, just shift click to open stuff in their own windows. Dunno what Grey's problem is.

The window works fine, if all of you learned how it works you wouldn't be whining and complaining.

I have had absolutely 0 problems once I learned the HOW of the windows functions.

Some people have complained that it removed the ability to have multiple windows open, and no, you're wrong, it removed the NEED not the ability.

Losing the ability to have multiple windows worries me.

I'm still annoyed at the introduction of the 'Loot all' button. It might appeal to the point-and-click generation but it is a lot slower than CTRL-A, Drag when you're crazily clearing dozens of wrecks.

I've learned how it works.........

....Ok, here's a trivial use-case that for you that happens several thousand times a day: you are running a mission. You have your cargo hold open to keep an eye on your ammo. Now you want to loot a wreck you just created. How does the windows (plural) function when you click GÇ£openGÇ£ on that wreck?

Just to stir discussion a little, I find clicking "loot all" is much faster than CTRL+A & Drag. The longest wait while looting is the time that it takes the now empty container window to close. Of course having two windows open means looting can happen much faster than the case of one window with a tree. People designing these interfaces need to understand Fitz's Law.

See at first i was like Yea Tippia knows whats up look he says so....oh...and the very next thing says he does in fact not understand how the new window interface works, as what you're describing is literally **** simple to figure out.

Also please stop saying you can't open multiple windows.

EDIT: Also please stop saying you can't open multiple windows, you can, its easy, its like, really easy, christ do you people even try or did you all just go OH GOD IT CHANGED

"Nothing to see here? Move along?"

Seriously, it's a new UI. There are as many ways to use a UI as there are people using it - and it will be impossible to accommodate everyone's particular wishes in the first run. Does that mean CCP should stop developing new technology or no longer attempt to improve on the old UI?

Certainly not. It just means you have to be patient and politely point out that you think there's a problem with the new system so it can be fixed in the iterative process.