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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:48:00 -
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http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
If you want to know more... read all about it, go test and don't hesitate to leave your personal opinion after done. This is one of those moments when it just might be worth to do so. The blog forgets to mention thing or two.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
443
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:33:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
That gave me a laugh, I like things that do stuff. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Smoking Blunts
ZC Industries Dark Stripes
227
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:39:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
That gave me a laugh, I like things that do stuff.
made me laugh also..
just a shame it dosnt do as much as it promises to do CCP-áare full of words and no action. We will watch what they are doing, for now
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SpaceSquirrels
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:08:00 -
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I must be missing something. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1798
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:18:00 -
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Seems like despite huge advantages with the new system, some small bits of functionality need to be added here and there. Top that off with a liberal helping of people complaining because they can't use their clunky work arounds anymore. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
685
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:27:00 -
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New build up now, I like the idea of the window and how it's intended to function when done - hoping for progress on the WIP. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1139
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:14:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Seems like despite huge advantages with the new system, some small bits of functionality need to be added here and there. Top that off with a liberal helping of people complaining because they can't use their clunky work arounds anymore. Pretty optimistic to call them bits small, but if that works for you who am I to say. I find the original idea of one window for everything and no real support for others being quite big "bit" myself.
This is in test server - yes. Dev blog is out - yes. Dev response to fundamental issues - none.
Read the entire comment thread... at least up to page 24 and you get the whole idea what this is about. I'm not whining here just to for whining. In fact I rather would do something else atm :) The details are all there.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1798
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:54:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Seems like despite huge advantages with the new system, some small bits of functionality need to be added here and there. Top that off with a liberal helping of people complaining because they can't use their clunky work arounds anymore. Pretty optimistic to call them bits small, but if that works for you who am I to say. I find the original idea of one window for everything and no real support for others being quite big "bit" myself. This is in test server - yes. Dev blog is out - yes. Dev response to fundamental issues - none. Read the entire comment thread... at least up to page 24 and you get the whole idea what this is about. I'm not whining here just to for whining. In fact I rather would do something else atm :) The details are all there.
I read it.
You can drag anything you like to the "tree" on the left to move things around.
Right click on the tree to open another window if you prefer would mean there isn't much left to complain about. Most of the rest are niche cases or center around wanting to do things in a somewhat eccentric way.
I stand by my original statement.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:01:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:
This is in test server - yes. Dev blog is out - yes. Dev response to fundamental issues - none.
It was the weekend, how about you cut them some slack?
They'd have come back and seen plenty of feedback to read so how about giving them some time to actually read and digest it before moaning they're not responding on their days off work. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:25:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Oh God, why are they changing stuff? Why change?!? I can't cope with change! Make it stop, or I will spew butthurt on the forums until someone listens! Don't make me bring out THE CAPS LOCK!!!!111 I USED 1'S INSTEAD OF !'S, THATS HOW PISSED OFF I AM!!!!!1111!!ONE
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1071
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:34:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
I read it.
You can drag anything you like to the "tree" on the left to move things around.
Shift click on the tree to open another window if you prefer means there isn't much left to complain about. Most of the rest are niche cases or center around wanting to do things in a somewhat eccentric way. For the vast majority of routine tasks this is much easier, only for some things does it require an extra click or two.
I stand by my original statement.
I agree with this.
Only things worth complaining about are just simple tweaks.
I LOVE the new filter system. I created a filter that shows all but cans so that I can hide the cans to prevent accidental repackaging of them.
I think the only thing I'd like to be added is so options for the "value" thingy. Lemme pick between universe average, regional average and regional max buy order or regional lowest sell order. The Drake is a Lie |
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CCP Arrow
C C P C C P Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:37:00 -
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Hey this is great I lol'd out loud, oh and I'm reading this thread now, sorry about late reply, we have been monitoring the official feedback thread of the blog over the weekend and are collecting valuable input for iteration tasks as well as setting up User testing sessions to be able to actually observe in action the things you are describing so that the changes and fixes we do will be the right ones. CCP Arrow-á-á|-á Senior UX Designer-á|-á @CCP_Arrow |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6442
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:44:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Shift click on the tree to open another window if you prefer means there isn't much left to complain about. Yes there is, because the multiple-window functionality is broken. The inventory system isn't aware of the fact that you can have multiple windows so it has a nasty habit of resetting itself and make all those windows more of a chore than an aid. This is not a niche case GÇö it's every case for unopened containers.
Wanting to drag stuff from one place to the next while keeping both locations in view is not GÇ£eccentricGÇ¥ GÇö it's how you most efficiently handle multiple storage locations. What's eccentric is the new system's aptitude for breaking this kind of work flow because it wants to be a one-window system and thus cannot properly handle multiple windows.
There are nice bits and pieces, but anything that requires significant amounts of inventory manipulation is made much harder and requires far more clicks now than it did before. It has also lost much of its ability to set up a GÇ£work spaceGÇ¥ and have consistently appear and behave the same. It works as a framework for an inventory management system, but it is far from being one at the moment due to that multi-window unawareness. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
893
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:47:00 -
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I'd just like to confirm that "winferno" is indeed going to be awesome. |
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Shift click on the tree to open another window if you prefer means there isn't much left to complain about. Yes there is, because the multiple-window functionality is broken. The inventory system isn't aware of the fact that you can have multiple windows so it has a nasty habit of resetting itself and make all those windows more of a chore than an aid. This is not a niche case GÇö it's every case for unopened containers. Wanting to drag stuff from one place to the next while keeping both locations in view is not GÇ£eccentricGÇ¥ GÇö it's how you most efficiently handle multiple storage locations. What's eccentric is the new system's aptitude for breaking this kind of work flow because it wants to be a one-window system and thus cannot properly handle multiple windows. There are nice bits and pieces, but anything that requires significant amounts of inventory manipulation is made much harder and requires far more clicks now than it did before. It has also lost much of its ability to set up a GÇ£work spaceGÇ¥ and have consistently appear and behave the same. It works as a framework for an inventory management system, but it is far from being one at the moment due to that multi-window unawareness. /serious post Then this is a problem with implementation, rather than design concepts, and most of the whining I've read has been about the change to a unified window - hence the troll post up there ^ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6442
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:56:00 -
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Then this is a problem with implementation, rather than design concepts, and most of the whining I've read has been about the change to a unified window - hence the troll post up there ^ Sure, I can agree with that. The problem is that a lot of the implementation issues seem like they are direct effects of the attempt to move towards that unified window. Somewhere along the line, the thought that maybe some things shouldn't be fully unified seems to have been overlooked.
The whines about the unification is how that design concept imposes itself onto a lot of use cases that outright call for multiple windows. It's kind of the design version of GÇ£categorical statements are categorically falseGÇ¥.
I can fully understand the exuberance in putting everything they could into this new system, but now they need to step back and see what about the old system was actually useful (even more useful than the new one, in some cases), and ensure that those pre-existing good solutions are not overwritten with bad ones. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1140
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:58:00 -
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CCP Arrow wrote:Hey this is great I lol'd out loud, oh and I'm reading this thread now, sorry about late reply, we have been monitoring the official feedback thread of the blog over the weekend and are collecting valuable input for iteration tasks as well as setting up User testing sessions to be able to actually observe in action the things you are describing so that the changes and fixes we do will be the right ones. Thank you.
And seriously - I'd really rather be doing something else. Only real reason why am I in forums again is to make people aware about the many not so kewl things which were not mentioned in dev blogs. You guys had wonderful intentions but left to the task assuming that all people would rather use one window than many windows. How ever as pointed in official thread, there are many real in game occasions where one window just won't handle the task you want it to do. Sure - it may do it for some like mr ranger above, or it may do it for majority of casual players. It still doesn't change the fact that it would be huge nerf and inconvenience to great many.
If you address the fact, make a firm statement to do something about it and be kind enough to leave blue post about it - at least I'm done with this whiny part again and carry on to more fun tasks like running in a forest naked only with tinfoil hat on.
...and yes that picture was intended to have some comedy attached to it - I'm not yet ready to stab you guys even soundwave may have told you so.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1142
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:25:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:I'd just like to confirm that "winferno" is indeed going to be awesome. Indeed - at least we won't be barbecuing at the "door" this time
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Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
45
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Posted - 2012.05.10 14:46:00 -
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So dev responses go here now? Please CCP, roll these changes into the Assets window and leave my UI alone! I really really really really cannot emphasize enough how much I do not like using that unified inventory window for everything. I have made several long posts on the subject where such posts belong. I shall assume that someone who effects this project has read them. |
Mythrandier
Dracos Dozen Eve Engineering
2
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:07:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:http://i50.tinypic.com/2ez1wz4.jpg
That gave me a laugh, I like things that do stuff.
Stuff you say? Hmmmm, Intriguing. |
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
1582
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Then this is a problem with implementation, rather than design concepts, and most of the whining I've read has been about the change to a unified window - hence the troll post up there ^ Sure, I can agree with that. The problem is that a lot of the implementation issues seem like they are direct effects of the attempt to move towards that unified window. Somewhere along the line, the thought that maybe some things shouldn't be fully unified seems to have been overlooked. The whines about the unification is how that design concept imposes itself onto a lot of use cases that outright call for multiple windows. It's kind of the design version of GÇ£categorical statements are categorically falseGÇ¥. I can fully understand the exuberance in putting everything they could into this new system, but now they need to step back and see what about the old system was actually useful (even more useful than the new one, in some cases), and ensure that those pre-existing good solutions are not overwritten with bad ones.
Yeah, I completely agree with this. I think that the new inventory UI was a great deal and all, but completely breaking previous functionality was a mistake. If they simply return the previous ability to have multiple windows that remember their position and 99% of people will be happy (and most of the remaining 1% just don't want anything to change no matter what).
The issue isn't the new inventory, it's the removal of the ability to do it the old way at all (see Incarna and ship spinning for an example of how that worked out last time). |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
243
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:20:00 -
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> realizes agreeing to tippia post > what have I become?! > puts gun to head > *BOOM* |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
46
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:37:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:> realizes agreeing to tippia post > what have I become?! > puts gun to head > *BOOM*
I really wish people like you would have the common decency to lay down on several large sheets of plastic first. Think of the cleanup crew! |
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Crunchy Crunchy Peregrine Nation
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:45:00 -
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So far, I really like the look of this. For the things I'm doing, my life will get so much easier without having to mess around with three or four different windows. Thank you very much, CCP! |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
233
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:47:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:> realizes agreeing to tippia post > what have I become?! > puts gun to head > *BOOM*
realized I am in the same situation.
But, Tippia is spot-on here
Nothing clever at this time. |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
46
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:07:00 -
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CCP. I don't have the luxury of looking over this and deciding if this is a game that I want to get into and spend my time on. I have already invested some 9 years with you guys, I have wasted time, and I am invested. I have been doing things a certain way for 9 years, and you are about to force me to abandon all my current workflows. If this was a brand new game that I had never played, I would probably not get into it because of the unified inventory alone. Do not implement changes that interrupt business as usual. You are not a new game, this is not a time to reinvent the wheel and throw it out there on everyone's cars. People have developed habits and procedures that work and serve them well. You cant just kill that off now without serious repercussions. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1510
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:30:00 -
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Only thing i want to know is ... ... will pods with GCC finally become legal targets ?
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1157
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:49:00 -
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Now here is a story what will continue and here if the proof for it.
This is becoming to be a bad joke. I am sorry that so many guys got boot from CCP. I am also sorry that they apparently were not the correct ones.
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Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
102
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:10:00 -
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I personally like the new inventory. I dont understand the hate. |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
995
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:13:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:I personally like the new inventory. I dont understand the hate.
Can Carriers have a similar window?
Fuel Bay/Drone Bay/Corp Hangar/Ship Maintenance Array...
I like nice and organized set ups. It helps me keep track of my 300 ships and 15000 some odd unique items. It would be better still if we could create tabs and stuff (that can actually fit ships inside of them) to separate different doctrine ships and such easily. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
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