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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:21:00 -
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Vxrasa wrote:CCP Sreegs: He is in your thread, controlling your game, having weird mind-sex with your mother. Like a fat Lucifer, he dons the mighty Air-man costume of drunken fanfest presentations and proceeds to spew forth light and glory on all of thy posts.
I heard he wasn't fat anymore, because Icelandic food is gross. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
650
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:23:00 -
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Davor wrote:Lets see if I got this straight; Goons fight for years to make the game more balanced and fair to the "little guys," wow CCP with their bright ideas about this horrible game, then t20 themselves instantly upon reaching #1 power bloc status. ~*leans back*~
Yep, seems feasible. It's the EVEO forums, the sky's the limit here. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:37:00 -
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Yes, it's a conflict of interest, but it's a stupid move to bring the Goons or any other corp into your argument. You've now made this mostly about a particular group.
Anyway yes, CCP should be allowed to play the game, obviously, but (IMO) they should only be allowed in NPC corps, or corps that are CCP-only (and known only to CCP employees that the corp is CCP-only). That corp (or corps) should keep a low profile, and not get (too) involved in major conflicts, etc. |
Cathrine Kenchov
Ice Cold Ellites
4
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:56:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. To play devil's advocate here, the likelyhood of an outsider dealing with the effect of misconduct ever being able to provide proof is almost impossible. It would always be at best a gut feeling. Anyone inside of an alliance, particularly a multi thousand man alliance with the ability to use a CCP insider for information, reaping the benefits would be foolish to come forward with proof. I mean who inside of the Swarm would risk the permanent wrath of those thousands of people permanently in EVE? What proof could even they provide unless they were hands on with the scam? If one man claimed such and 7999 claimed otherwise whos really going to win? If 8000 people told ccp drop the investigation or we will all quit and cost you millions what's really going to happen? I have faith in CCP to handle things I suppose, but an incident has happened in the past, not a minor one either. There are valid points being made. To play real guy in the real world here I typically don't formulate any kind of a conclusion unless there's some evidence that this conclusion actually exists. I certainly wouldn't toss about disparaging claims (some might say slanderous) about individual's honesty or ability to perform their job based on what my "gut" told me about someone I'd never met and knew only as a vague figure over the internet. I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose. :edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on.
Burrrrrrrrn
:edit: you may continue playing, CCP Screegs, but only if you continue to make sick burns like that to terrible questions & statements |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:31:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada!
That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say.
That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated.
I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:37:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! Evidence. Tada! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:37:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
We're talking about accusing developers in their real-life careers, not players in a game. Try to keep up.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:57:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really? We're talking about accusing developers in their real-life careers, not players in a game. Try to keep up.
Oh, I thought the devs in question were playing.
If on the other hand you're going to argue that people only act rationally, I laugh long and loud directly in your face.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:59:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! Evidence. Tada!
Yep, and then it stopped being that horrible, horrible baseless whining. Evidence is all that counts.
Expecting that is is also all that people will react to is stupid. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3728
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:00:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence.
Although there were plenty of accusations that weren't based on any evidence and were never proven later either, so I guess that proves black helicopters new world order chemtrails in Jita whargle garble Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:02:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Oh, I thought the devs in question were playing.
No, you were responding directly to a quote about accusing devs of misconduct without any evidence
Malphilos wrote:If on the other hand you're going to argue that people only act rationally, I laugh long and loud directly in your face.
I am not trying to argue anything of the sort, nor is there any reasonable way you could draw such a conclusion from what you quoted.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really? Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence. Although there were plenty of accusations that weren't based on any evidence and were never proven later either, so I guess that proves black helicopters new world order chemtrails in Jita whargle garble
Naw, there was plenty of loud griping without evidence about BoB and their dev pets. Expressing shock and horror that the same thing continues now seems silly.
Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
173
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:07:00 -
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Yes, stop playing EVE, CCP. That way people can go back to pissing and moaning about how you don't even play your own game. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:09:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Malphilos wrote:Oh, I thought the devs in question were playing. No, you were responding directly to a quote about accusing devs of misconduct without any evidence
Devs who are also players. And I said it was not unprecedented, nor should it be unexpected. The fact that they're "real people" doesn't make any difference.
Malphilos wrote:If on the other hand you're going to argue that people only act rationally, I laugh long and loud directly in your face.
Elise DarkStar wrote: I am not trying to argue anything of the sort,....
Well good. What exactly is your problem then? That there isn't any evidence or that people shouldn't make accusations without evidence? That is to say that they should act rationally... no, that can't be it. You just said it wasn't. |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:14:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Devs who are also players. And I said it was not unprecedented, nor should it be unexpected. The fact that they're "real people" doesn't make any difference.
I suppose it's your prerogative to not distinguish between the relevance of the actions of players in a game compared to professionals in their careers. It makes you seem obtuse and idiotic, but your call.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:40:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Malphilos wrote:Devs who are also players. And I said it was not unprecedented, nor should it be unexpected. The fact that they're "real people" doesn't make any difference. I suppose it's your prerogative to not distinguish between the relevance of the actions of players in a game compared to professionals in their careers. It makes you seem obtuse and idiotic, but your call.
Not that I'll pretend to understand what you mean by " the relevance of the actions", but it's clear there is no overlap between players and employees. The gulf is so great that professional misconduct in any game, particularly this one, is impossible and could never happen. Moreover, and especially because of this fact, it is unthinkable and unprecedented that such a thing should even be suggested.
Really, stick to "no evidence". That argument has the admirable quality of being true. Your appeal to ethics as an absolute flies in the face of human history. |
Vxrasa
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really? Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence. Although there were plenty of accusations that weren't based on any evidence and were never proven later either, so I guess that proves black helicopters new world order chemtrails in Jita whargle garble
I thought this was a quality post by a quality poster, but then I saw that you quoted yourself in your signature, and all sense of quality posting vanished from my mind. In it's place was left an ugly void of fear, hopelessness and loathing. |
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:44:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Not that I'll pretend to understand what you mean by " the relevance of the actions", but it's clear there is no overlap between players and employees. The gulf is so great that professional misconduct in any game, particularly this one, is impossible and could never happen. Moreover, and especially because of this fact, it is unthinkable and unprecedented that such a thing should even be suggested.
Really, stick to "no evidence". That argument has the admirable quality of being true. Your appeal to ethics as an absolute flies in the face of human history.
Knocking down strawmen. I'm very impressed that you can defeat your own invented and ridiculously extreme arguments that you have falsely attributed to me. The sign of a powerful mind at work. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:49:00 -
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This whole thread, and the other one about Soundwave, are both stupid and really, really need to be locked. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:05:00 -
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Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:13:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
They already have this. It's called Internal Affairs and watches over the accounts of all CCP Employees. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
46
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:29:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote: To play real guy in the real world here I typically don't formulate any kind of a conclusion unless there's some evidence that this conclusion actually exists. I certainly wouldn't toss about disparaging claims (some might say slanderous) about individual's honesty or ability to perform their job based on what my "gut" told me about someone I'd never met and knew only as a vague figure over the internet.
I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, but hey we all march to the beat of our own drums I suppose.
:edit: Go to your local police station and tell them your gut's telling you something fishy's going on with the local government. Make a really angry post on the internet about how they're part of the grand conspiracy when they explain to you that they can't help you because you've given them nothing to go on.
<3 for Sreegs |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:17:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...
There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada! That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say. That said, it's kinda weird when players get upset that they're not trusted in a game that takes pride in trust being the most rare and precious commodity. A game where some of the best and most famous stories involve deep betrayals and conspiracies stretching over years. Where that kind of betrayal is both expected and celebrated. I mean, do you expect rational responses here? Really?
Goonswarm fought hard to ensure that the evidence about BoB was not ignored and did more to get IA established than anybody (except maybe he who should not be named).
And no, I don't expect rational responses from you, but I figure if I rebutt your brain vomit for long enough you'll stop posting. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:22:00 -
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Malphilos wrote: Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP.
The only reason I'm posting at all is that I'm coming out to bat for 'the new CCP' that has tried hard to redeem themselves since the failure that was Incarna. If you think that this thread is making 'GSF' feel uncomfortable, then you're ignoring all the much worse things we've been called over the years.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:24:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Malphilos wrote: Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.
You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP. The only reason I'm posting at all is that I'm coming out to bat for 'the new CCP' that has tried hard to redeem themselves since the failure that was Incarna. If you think that this thread is making 'GSF' feel uncomfortable, then you're ignoring all the much worse things we've been called over the years. Your corp betrays your true nature, evil goonie.
Should've used an NPC corp alt, I hear they're the rage on the forums.
P.S. Yeah it's amusing more than anything else to me anyway.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:28:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
The thing is that Internal Affairs can already gather much more reliable information directly from the database than they could ever get from a bottom line member. If IA aren't monitoring large alliances to vet their large isk transactions and valuble asset transfers then they're missing a huge opportunity.
PS: CSM members are players, not CCP employees. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
653
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:31:00 -
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Doctor Ungabungas wrote:ModeratedToSilence wrote:Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.
I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.
This would grant CCP: Eyes and ears on what game play is really like. The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible. Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.
The thing is that Internal Affairs can already gather much more reliable information directly from the database than they could ever get from a bottom line member. If IA aren't monitoring large alliances to vet their large isk transactions and valuble asset transfers then they're missing a huge opportunity. PS: CSM members are players, not CCP employees. But it would be pretty amusing if one of them got purged by say Vio for being a spy for someone, maybe they wouldn't know for who, but meh...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
583
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:46:00 -
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CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.
Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes*
Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:48:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?
Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership.
That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there.
CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that? |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
1384
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:52:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:CCP Arkanon wrote:As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is [email protected]That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on. Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes* Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence? You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.
I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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