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Andrey Wartooth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2012.05.10 19:55:00 - [541] - Quote michael boltonIII wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen The shocking part is that nobody actually knows who you are. He's a guy who personally signs each and every post with his name, so people can be sure it is him.
Wyke Mossari Staner Industries 263	Posted - 2012.05.10 19:58:00 - [542] - Quote Earlier I named the wrong GM, that was an honest mistake of faulty memory on my part. I've removed the incorrect name from my original post and apologies unreservedly to the wrongly implicated GM. CCP Sreegs wrote: Quote: I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post. That is one issue where IA could have being pro-active would have settled any reasonable players concerns. All it would take would be to say something like Quote: This (will be/has been) investigated and there (is / is not) any connection between the Goons and GM who handled the petition and appropriate action has been/will be taken.
souldam Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:04:00 - [543] - Quote Dont lisson to him he is a wow spy and wants all your gold for his sick pony ****!! they made it so we can make players cry the other side of the world So long live ccp and fuk all of you trolls who qustion ccp
Andrey Wartooth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 52	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:05:00 - [544] - Quote Wyke Mossari wrote: Earlier I named the wrong GM, that was an honest mistake of faulty memory on my part. I've removed the incorrect name from my original post and apologies unreservedly to the wrongly implicated GM. CCP Sreegs wrote: Quote: I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post. That is one issue where IA could have being pro-active would have settled any reasonable players concerns. All it would take would be to say something like Quote: This (will be/has been) investigated and there (is / is not) any connection between the Goons and GM who handled the petition and appropriate action has been/will be taken. Well see, legally I'd imagine that issues such as this are private. the IA Dept may not even be able to acknowledge that there is an investigation going on.
Cutout Man Archimedean Point 8	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:13:00 - [545] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Our employees and their careers are not part of your forum game and are off limits. That's the point. It's one thing to make a post like "JESUS GOONS ARE ALL DEVS". That's a terrible post but within the limits. "CCP Sreegs is running an RMT operation on the side and also runs a meth lab" is not. Does that make sense? It's not even a matter of what I do or don't like it's a matter of our employees right to not have our forum used to damage their individual and very real personal reputations or standing in their respective communities. Neither your employees nor your careers are in any danger. Talk about overblown. IA is there for that, right? Aren't they taking care of things? Can't we rely on them to find and root out all wrongdoing? If IA says its all good, then everyone else is just running their mouth, right? Further, these aren't accusations against real people... unless your name is really CCP Sreegs. Sreegs is an EVE character too, you know. Frankly, as an ex (?) goon, I'd think you would have some better perspective on this. You don't think for one moment that anything you say will satisfy anyone making the accusations, do you? So why bother? If you're content to feed the trolls, you deserve what you get. Here's what should have been said: "CCP [guy in charge of these things]-- We take potential cheating seriously. Cheating, by CCP employees or players, is unacceptable. Whenever we find a cheater, we take immediate steps to remove that person from the game or company and fix any problems they may have caused. If you have specific accusations, proof of any kind, or questions about activities that might potentially be cheating, please file a petition and include [relevant specifics]. CCP does not respond to vague accusations, conspiracy theories, or unsubtantiated statements about player or employee misconduct. All petitions will be reviewed carefully and, when appropriate, actions taken. Posts that make unsubstantiated accusations about CCP employees or other players will be removed and added to an Internal Affairs petition for further review." Post it once on each page of the thread or lock the thread already.
Shandir Indigo Archive 129	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:17:00 - [546] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Would you like an investigation to happen or would you prefer to just make posts on the internet? If you want an investigation to happen then you can send your issue to IA. Would that I could simply query the magical answer to every question ever asked on the spot database and spit one out for you, but I cannot. The forums are also not the place for this and I encourage you to check out the TOS. I think you know by this point you're just feeding the troll/moron. Time to lock the thread and go have a laugh about this with the guys a few desks over.
Eternum Praetorian Malum Crusis 783	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:27:00 - [547] - Quote From a personal standpoint, I really don't care if Goon(dot), BOB(dot) or anyone else out there has CCP in their leadership. It is there game and it really does not effect my game in the slightest... But what kind of frosts my hiney... is the incessant insistence that they are NOT there at all (even after certain historical events demonstrated that CCP employes had, once, in the past, effected the game directly with their dev powers) They most certainly are there, they have always been there and they have always been tied to the biggest and baddest alliances of the time. That is not to say that devs made said alliances great, it is only to say that they were attracted to that arena for reasons only known to them. The presence of a dev does not instantly infer misconduct as the forum trolls would have you believe. & ATM, the biggest and most influential alliance in the game is basically goon(dot). ... So to say "We dev's are not giving players an unfair advantage, and we are not allowed to talk about our presence in game" is one thing... But to flat out deny that there are any DEV's in leadership roles throughout eve online (FC roles, manufacturing roles or whatever roles) inside of major player run null sec alliances like goon(dot) and friends is complete and utter bunk. You should not be able to talk about it at all, and that means that you should not be able to confirm or deny it in any way shape or form. The only valid answer that you should be able to give us is this "Yes there could be dev's in said role. It is possible and not against the EULA... but we are not allowed to discuss it and I cannot confirm or deny whether or not their are at present. ". ... The potential is there and the possibility is there, but more pressing is the history of EVE Online which shows us that the likely hood of there being devs in said roles is greater then them not being there. This does not mean that misconduct is the inevitable outcome, but on the flip side to that people are only human at the end of the day. So yes, they are there. Yes, we know that they are there, and YES it is OK THAT THEY ARE THERE. Just don't try and tell us that they can't/won't/will never be there, because that is just blah blah. The EVE Gateway Blog
Silly Slot Phoenix Evolved Part Duo 24	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:31:00 - [548] - Quote michael boltonIII wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: If you are known, you get petitions answered faster. If I petition on Mr Epeen instead of one of my less known characters, it gets answered faster and is more likely actually read than auto-answered. So it stands to reason that if I had a name like 'The Mittani', for instance, anything I petition will be noticed almost immediately and jumped to the front of the queue. It's just the way people are. They are attracted to the familiar. GMs included. No tin foil. Just an observation on common human behavior. The tinfoil will come out when the sputtering denials start coming out in barred posts. Mr Epeen The shocking part is that nobody actually knows who you are. who the hell is Mr. Epeen? Seriously your "known" lol, seriously Someone lock this idiotic thread, if you have concerns about CCP playing the game and cheating etc, message CCP's IA department i mean wtf is forum trolling going to do LOCK THE THREAD ALREADY
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 80	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:31:00 - [549] - Quote I guess the question that would be nice for someone to answer is: Are there any CCP employees that play the game that are NOT involved or associated with GOONS and if so, are they in a High-Sec only corp? Would they publicly admit or endorse that player corporation? Is there anyone within CCP who is anti-goon? I'd have to say that most likely the answer to this is a big NO. Otherwise, you would have heard about it by now. I've never heard of a single accusation that DEVS are involved with any other corps or alliances other than the BOB stories from years ago. Certainly there are other large alliances that are enemies of GOONS that could make for some great gameplay for the devs if they chose to fight against them. But that wouldn't happen because of the "watch the world burn" mentality that the GOONS have and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would protest the GM/DEV's involvement against them, and would might even try to pull a "everyone in the alliance threat to quit" card to get their way. So really that's the lingering question. Why do the DEVs choose to get involved with GOONs rather than GOON enemies? And if there are, where are they? Why are they hiding in the shadows in regards to that but not the other way around? Would a CCP Dev ever help a large alliance fight GOONs toward their final days? Anyways, food for thought I guess.

CCP Sreegs C C P C C P Alliance 1399	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:35:00 - [550] - Quote Wyke Mossari wrote: Earlier I named the wrong GM, that was an honest mistake of faulty memory on my part. I've removed the incorrect name from my original post and apologies unreservedly to the wrongly implicated GM. CCP Sreegs wrote: Quote: I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. The IA email address which has been linked repeatedly is the perfect place for this post. That is one issue where IA could have been pro-active would have settled any reasonable players concerns. All it would take would be to say something like : Quote: This (will be/has been) investigated and there (is / is not) any connection between the Goons and GM who handled the petition and appropriate action has been/will be taken. IA doesn't trawl the forums looking for posts like this which shouldn't exist. You have to send an email. You will get a response. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012


Andrey Wartooth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 53	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:36:00 - [551] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: I guess the question that would be nice for someone to answer is: Are there any CCP employees that play the game that are NOT involved or associated with GOONS and if so, are they in a High-Sec only corp? Would they publicly admit or endorse that player corporation? Is there anyone within CCP who is anti-goon? I'd have to say that most likely the answer to this is a big NO. Otherwise, you would have heard about it by now. I've never heard of a single accusation that DEVS are involved with any other corps or alliances other than the BOB stories from years ago. Certainly there are other large alliances that are enemies of GOONS that could make for some great gameplay for the devs if they chose to fight against them. But that wouldn't happen because of the "watch the world burn" mentality that the GOONS have and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would protest the GM/DEV's involvement against them, and would might even try to pull a "everyone in the alliance threat to quit" card to get their way. So really that's the lingering question. Why do the DEVs choose to get involved with GOONs rather than GOON enemies? And if there are, where are they? Why are they hiding in the shadows in regards to that but not the other way around? Would a CCP Dev ever help a large alliance fight GOONs toward their final days? Anyways, food for thought I guess. Why do you throw this out when you don't have any evidence of it?
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 18	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:39:00 - [552] - Quote because rationality and constructive thought is too much to ask for on eve-o
Sigurd Sig Hansen Hedion University Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:46:00 - [553] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Wyke Mossari wrote: CCP Sreegs wrote: Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement. Just because some people over play things, doesn't mean that the concerns of the more reasonable players are groundless. Two recent examples that have certainly raised a few eye brows are Soundwave tendency to lock threads critical of Goons and the seemingly priority petition queue enjoyed by the Goons. My petitions always seem to take days or weeks to be answered I've certainly never had a petition answered in hours never mind minutes. When allegations are made in most free western countries, the police (authorities) investigate and if necessary collect the evidence, not expect the public to do it. Internal Affairs needs to be more pro-active and seen to be so. However I don't believe that means the Dev should automatically loose their job, but lesser punishments for lesser transgression would make this less of all or nothing scenario. e.g. lose the Character in the alliance is appropriate for creating a conflict of interest by seeming to favour that alliance. Nobody said IA doesn't collect evidence. Dont know anything about that, what I do know is the track record to ban ppl that bring employee wrongdoings to light that you cant say their names on the forums 6 years later Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802 562	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:46:00 - [554] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: I guess the question that would be nice for someone to answer is: Are there any CCP employees that play the game that are NOT involved or associated with GOONS and if so, are they in a High-Sec only corp? Would they publicly admit or endorse that player corporation? Is there anyone within CCP who is anti-goon? I'd have to say that most likely the answer to this is a big NO. Otherwise, you would have heard about it by now. I've never heard of a single accusation that DEVS are involved with any other corps or alliances other than the BOB stories from years ago. Certainly there are other large alliances that are enemies of GOONS that could make for some great gameplay for the devs if they chose to fight against them. But that wouldn't happen because of the "watch the world burn" mentality that the GOONS have and I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot, that they would protest the GM/DEV's involvement against them, and would might even try to pull a "everyone in the alliance threat to quit" card to get their way. So really that's the lingering question. Why do the DEVs choose to get involved with GOONs rather than GOON enemies? And if there are, where are they? Why are they hiding in the shadows in regards to that but not the other way around? Would a CCP Dev ever help a large alliance fight GOONs toward their final days? Anyways, food for thought I guess. This has a lot of tinfoil in it. However if you watch any of the interviews of CCP members or Fanfest videos, you would see that A LOT if not the majority of CCP employees are actually high-sec dwellers. Who usually do casual mining or missions. Also to rebuttal your other argument, there is no definitive evidence nor has any CCP member even admit to being in Goons. The reason Sreegs and Soundwave are considered was because they USE to be members before joining CCP. Sreegs for example I believe quit Eve/Goons for while before getting hired on, pretty much after he forgot to pay alliance bills. For all we know those who people claim to be members of Goons cut their ties long ago, or don't even play Eve seriously enough to be bothered with ingame politics. Either way we will never really know since CCP generally keeps their personal characters relationships private and for a good reason it seems. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness.
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 80	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:46:00 - [555] - Quote the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again?
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:47:00 - [556] - Quote Doctor Ungabungas wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Doctor Ungabungas wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Doctor Ungabungas wrote: "Goons" are people who read and post on somethingawful.com an internet website that costs 10 dollars to post to. There are hundreds of thousands of active readers. "Goonwaffe" is the corporation in Eve Online for people who read that forum. There are maybe a few thousand members? I'm not privy to the exact figures just being some regular dude. PS: Even if you did decide to become a somethingawful reader, you could never become a member of GSF. It is for something awful members who want to play eve online, not eve online players who want to play eve online with goonswarm. Nice save http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6SNxNIV08 I guess my expectations for Goons to have a thicker skin were unfounded too. I was joking at HIS expense not yours -.- Do you know how much trouble I went to to find that youtube video. Literally 30 seconds of my life went into that so you had better appreciate it. Damnit I hate it when Goons post things that make it look like theres a human behind that bee -.- http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
Nevigrofnu Mrots Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation 5	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:48:00 - [557] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: CCP Sreegs wrote: Plenty of reasons have been given. Try answering them. I especially like the 15 minute response time for Goon petitions. I know, I know, they filed more than one petition and that NEVER EVER has that happened in a massive PvP game. NEVER EVER. So having more than one petition is such a monumental event that it had to be responded to more than 100x faster than normal. Needless to say, no information, nor the name of, the GM answering the petition will be released. So you can conceal evidence all you want, but it doesn't make you look innocent. Quite the opposite. And to be clear I strongly suspect that GM is a Goon friend and rendered the decision he did because he was a friend of the Goon. Discussion of this case and the evidence presented is all over this forum. 15? nooo 5 minutes! I start all my petitions with the frase: Im a goon and The Mitanni orders that this petition be processed now! in less than 5 minutes I always get an answer: "dear goon overload, please tell the mitanni to not get mad with my delay, I have a family and I need this job. About your lost ibis when gangink a JF in Jita, we will return the ibis plus a complementary Dramiel to your hanger and the JF pilot that dared not to die will be banned for 15 days as requested."
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 18	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:50:00 - [558] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? that's not evidence that's baseless speculation
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:52:00 - [559] - Quote CCP Sreegs wrote: Antisocial Malkavian wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Quote: Yeah but you go by that we'll never be able to talk about anything in EVE-O ever again Well, he didn't say ban. Removing the more vicious unsubstansiated accusations would be appropriate. As to the latter, you have a point. even that though, from the more tinfoily will enflame their opinion that theyre right CAUSE their post got snipped I'm afraid that when it comes to reality those opinions really aren't relevant to either current legal practice or our obligations to our employees. Having an opinion isn't carte blanche to character assassinate no matter how much you like your spaceships. Our employee's right to not have random people on the internet use a public forum (least of all our own) to paint them as criminals, pedophiles, or any other in the gamut of accusations that have been tossed around, including in this thread, far outweighs anyone's right to be a jerk on the internet and to be completely honest I feel like I'm posting from some alternate reality to even have to make that statement. Wait what? Whered THAT happem? Im talking about ppl saying CCP is in cahoots with Goons which fits none of the " to paint them as criminals, pedophiles," definition... I think I missed that part of the thread http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 80	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:53:00 - [560] - Quote Expected defensive response by a GOON the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger

Andrey Wartooth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 53	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:55:00 - [561] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: arcca jeth wrote: the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? that's not evidence that's baseless speculation Baseless speculation based on past events. It'd be like insisting that President Obama built secret internment camps for Japanese people because the US did it during World War II.
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 18	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:58:00 - [562] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: Expected defensive response by a GOON the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 80	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:58:00 - [563] - Quote no, but they dedicated out of county prisons (detainment camps) for enemies of the U.S. which happen to be mostly arab/islamic extremists. Not copy and paste but maybe, copy/paste,edit for modern day acceptance
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 664	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 - [564] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: reegs for example I believe quit Eve/Goons for awhile before getting hired on, pretty much after he forgot to pay alliance bills. Forgetting to pay bills is pretty big Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 80	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 - [565] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: arcca jeth wrote: Expected defensive response by a GOON the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON
Sigurd Sig Hansen Hedion University Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 - [566] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: arcca jeth wrote: Expected defensive response by a GOON the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie Andrey Wartooth wrote: HVAC Repairman wrote: [quote=arcca jeth]the evidence is there, it's called EVE history. They've done it in the past, what would keep them from doing it again? that's not evidence that's baseless speculation Baseless speculation based on past events. Oh crap the Goons are disagreeing! Wait! Youre not allowed to have independant thoughts in the Hive!! Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
HVAC Repairman GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 19	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:00:00 - [567] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: HVAC Repairman wrote: arcca jeth wrote: Expected defensive response by a GOON the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON you're
Andrey Wartooth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:01:00 - [568] - Quote arcca jeth wrote: no, but they dedicated out of county prisons (detainment camps) for enemies of the U.S. which happen to be mostly arab/islamic extremists. Not copy and paste but maybe, copy/paste,edit for modern day acceptance So basically you are agreeing with what I said.
arcca jeth Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance 80	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:01:00 - [569] - Quote HVAC Repairman wrote: arcca jeth wrote: HVAC Repairman wrote: arcca jeth wrote: Expected defensive response by a GOON the BOB Tech 2 BPO stain will always linger expected response from a hisec tinfoil hat wearing mouth breathing pubbie lol now your resulting to name calling. how very entertaining and quite intelligent of you. just another mindless GOON you're I type how i want sucka
Andrey Wartooth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:03:00 - [570] - Quote Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Oh crap the Goons are disagreeing! Wait! Youre not allowed to have independant thoughts in the Hive!! I was agreeing with him and adding my own thoughts to it.



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