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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.04 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 05/09/2004 04:52:59
Thanks to the incompetent whiners, I guess, the mission has been revised and made even easier.
Now there is just one bounty hunter and if you should have forgotten to actually read the mission briefing, presto, you get told about him again in shining red letters and no uncertain terms.
Which means that we are now back to the days where any lvl 3 combat mission could be completed with a simple macro. Maybe it's time that the EVE client offered that option?
I demonstrated that you could easily complete this mission in a cruiser without even taking damage unless you chose to make things interesting for yourself.
So let me by crystal clear about this: There was no reason to nerf this mission unless you agree that anyone fresh out of their two-week trial, anyone who rushed into a battleship with few of the skills and none of the expertise to even handle a frigate with any semblance of competence should have access to the most advanced content available in empire space.
Is this how the game is supposed to be played? No game skills required beyond a new subscription?
Now, before anyone comes with the "Go to .0 if you're bored" non-argument: NPC hunting in .0 doesn't raise my faction or corp standings. I'll need both to access lvl 4 agents. But you're probably right: I'll be so bored to tears with those that I'll just up and leave only to return with a string of two-week trials because, hey, it's easy enough to play the game that way.
Sad. Weak. A precedent?
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.04 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 05/09/2004 04:52:59
Thanks to the incompetent whiners, I guess, the mission has been revised and made even easier.
Now there is just one bounty hunter and if you should have forgotten to actually read the mission briefing, presto, you get told about him again in shining red letters and no uncertain terms.
Which means that we are now back to the days where any lvl 3 combat mission could be completed with a simple macro. Maybe it's time that the EVE client offered that option?
I demonstrated that you could easily complete this mission in a cruiser without even taking damage unless you chose to make things interesting for yourself.
So let me by crystal clear about this: There was no reason to nerf this mission unless you agree that anyone fresh out of their two-week trial, anyone who rushed into a battleship with few of the skills and none of the expertise to even handle a frigate with any semblance of competence should have access to the most advanced content available in empire space.
Is this how the game is supposed to be played? No game skills required beyond a new subscription?
Now, before anyone comes with the "Go to .0 if you're bored" non-argument: NPC hunting in .0 doesn't raise my faction or corp standings. I'll need both to access lvl 4 agents. But you're probably right: I'll be so bored to tears with those that I'll just up and leave only to return with a string of two-week trials because, hey, it's easy enough to play the game that way.
Sad. Weak. A precedent?
JP Beauregard
=== The Pilkington Guides to EVE === |
obscuroditus
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Posted - 2004.09.04 11:13:00 -
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I have not actually done the "new" mission myself - but we had this promise from Oveur made in the main Mordus thread :
"This excellent mission will remain as it is, it will however have a more prominent warning that it is actually hard. Probably in big red letters for those that dont bother to read the mission descriptions"
If it indeed is changed to be more easy I find that rather contradictionary and dissapointing. Seems to me we'd have to show Zrakor and others who code the mission the quote from Oveur - keeping your promise as a professional gaming company seems rather important to me, right ? |
obscuroditus
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Posted - 2004.09.04 11:13:00 -
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I have not actually done the "new" mission myself - but we had this promise from Oveur made in the main Mordus thread :
"This excellent mission will remain as it is, it will however have a more prominent warning that it is actually hard. Probably in big red letters for those that dont bother to read the mission descriptions"
If it indeed is changed to be more easy I find that rather contradictionary and dissapointing. Seems to me we'd have to show Zrakor and others who code the mission the quote from Oveur - keeping your promise as a professional gaming company seems rather important to me, right ? |
hatchette
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Posted - 2004.09.04 11:20:00 -
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I agree, there was no need to nerf that mission. It was easy as it was..
I think anyone who lost ship doing those missions, actually deserved to lose it.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.09.04 11:20:00 -
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I agree, there was no need to nerf that mission. It was easy as it was..
I think anyone who lost ship doing those missions, actually deserved to lose it.
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Cobracure
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Posted - 2004.09.04 11:23:00 -
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I sincerely hope they havent nerfed the best mission in the game.
Wonder if level 4 missions got delayed for precisely this reason (players being rubbish)
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Cobracure
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Posted - 2004.09.04 11:23:00 -
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I sincerely hope they havent nerfed the best mission in the game.
Wonder if level 4 missions got delayed for precisely this reason (players being rubbish)
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Booky
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Posted - 2004.09.04 12:21:00 -
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I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post. |
Booky
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Posted - 2004.09.04 12:21:00 -
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I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post. |
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TekRa
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Posted - 2004.09.04 12:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Booky
I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
That mission's just a caracal (85k) and a bunch of Kestrals (12k iirc). I don't think they scramble, nor were they dangerous.
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TekRa
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Posted - 2004.09.04 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Booky
I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
That mission's just a caracal (85k) and a bunch of Kestrals (12k iirc). I don't think they scramble, nor were they dangerous.
> With the lights out it's less dangerous. |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.04 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 04/09/2004 12:46:19
Originally by: Booky
I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
Sounds like Seeek and Intercept to me, which is a different mission. But that reminds me: when I got that one earlier today, there was no Wingman but instead a fifth utterly harmless "Elite" muppet...
TekRa: The Kestrels were replaced with Merlins with Tuesday's patch. |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.04 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 04/09/2004 12:46:19
Originally by: Booky
I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
Sounds like Seeek and Intercept to me, which is a different mission. But that reminds me: when I got that one earlier today, there was no Wingman but instead a fifth utterly harmless "Elite" muppet...
TekRa: The Kestrels were replaced with Merlins with Tuesday's patch. |
ElricUK
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Posted - 2004.09.04 14:08:00 -
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One of the other missions has a red warning now too, think it refers to the wingman.
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ElricUK
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Posted - 2004.09.04 14:08:00 -
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One of the other missions has a red warning now too, think it refers to the wingman.
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IcedBach Jr
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Posted - 2004.09.04 14:14:00 -
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Im thinking of taking down the names of all the whiners that are killing the agent business, this is the third time in a row that mission is pulled out cause of whining, ah yes take down the names and Kill em all. damn whiners, accept the loss and learn from it instead of crying all over your damn keyboard.
Praeludium to success |
IcedBach Jr
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Posted - 2004.09.04 14:14:00 -
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Im thinking of taking down the names of all the whiners that are killing the agent business, this is the third time in a row that mission is pulled out cause of whining, ah yes take down the names and Kill em all. damn whiners, accept the loss and learn from it instead of crying all over your damn keyboard.
Praeludium to success |
Finraer
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Posted - 2004.09.04 14:46:00 -
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Hmm - at the start there were two missions of the same type - one easier and one harder with a Mordus Raid Leader - as far as I was aware they are both still out there - sounds like you got the easiest of the two this time.
Would be good if someone who has recently done the raid Leader version of the mission could post though to confirm it is still around.
However, I agree with your comments that there is no reason at all to nerf the mission. It is certainly doable solo and is one of the few missions I actually enjoy.
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Finraer
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Posted - 2004.09.04 14:46:00 -
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Hmm - at the start there were two missions of the same type - one easier and one harder with a Mordus Raid Leader - as far as I was aware they are both still out there - sounds like you got the easiest of the two this time.
Would be good if someone who has recently done the raid Leader version of the mission could post though to confirm it is still around.
However, I agree with your comments that there is no reason at all to nerf the mission. It is certainly doable solo and is one of the few missions I actually enjoy.
Fin
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.09.04 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
Edited by: JP Beauregard on 04/09/2004 12:46:19
Originally by: Booky
I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
Sounds like Seeek and Intercept to me, which is a different mission. But that reminds me: when I got that one earlier today, there was no Wingman but instead a fifth utterly harmless "Elite" muppet...
TekRa: The Kestrels were replaced with Merlins with Tuesday's patch.
I had mercenary missions both with and without Wingmen yesterday. But I think the one with Wingman was an important version.
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.09.04 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
Edited by: JP Beauregard on 04/09/2004 12:46:19
Originally by: Booky
I got an important mission that I have not accepted yet (had to go to work) but I read it before I left and it had something in red on the bottom of the description. I don't recall what it said, but it did seem odd since I have not seen. I'll read it again when I get home before I actually do the mission. I do know that the mission was to kill Mercenary Commanders and some Mercenary Elite Fighters or some name with elite in it. Maybe thats what the red was for.
Sounds like Seeek and Intercept to me, which is a different mission. But that reminds me: when I got that one earlier today, there was no Wingman but instead a fifth utterly harmless "Elite" muppet...
TekRa: The Kestrels were replaced with Merlins with Tuesday's patch.
I had mercenary missions both with and without Wingmen yesterday. But I think the one with Wingman was an important version.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Finraer
Hmm - at the start there were two missions of the same type - one easier and one harder with a Mordus Raid Leader - as far as I was aware they are both still out there - sounds like you got the easiest of the two this time.
Would be good if someone who has recently done the raid Leader version of the mission could post though to confirm it is still around.
However, I agree with your comments that there is no reason at all to nerf the mission. It is certainly doable solo and is one of the few missions I actually enjoy.
Fin
I did the Mordu mission three times before today, once with the lucky Raid Leader spawn. The first wave always included two bounty hunters.
That would lead me to believe that the mission was changed rather than that new variations had been added. |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2004.09.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Finraer
Hmm - at the start there were two missions of the same type - one easier and one harder with a Mordus Raid Leader - as far as I was aware they are both still out there - sounds like you got the easiest of the two this time.
Would be good if someone who has recently done the raid Leader version of the mission could post though to confirm it is still around.
However, I agree with your comments that there is no reason at all to nerf the mission. It is certainly doable solo and is one of the few missions I actually enjoy.
Fin
I did the Mordu mission three times before today, once with the lucky Raid Leader spawn. The first wave always included two bounty hunters.
That would lead me to believe that the mission was changed rather than that new variations had been added. |
Finraer
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Posted - 2004.09.04 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
I did the Mordu mission three times before today, once with the lucky Raid Leader spawn. The first wave always included two bounty hunters.
That would lead me to believe that the mission was changed rather than that new variations had been added.
Damn, that sucks then.
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Finraer
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Posted - 2004.09.04 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
I did the Mordu mission three times before today, once with the lucky Raid Leader spawn. The first wave always included two bounty hunters.
That would lead me to believe that the mission was changed rather than that new variations had been added.
Damn, that sucks then.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2004.09.04 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Redwolf on 04/09/2004 18:23:08
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2004.09.04 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Redwolf on 04/09/2004 18:23:08
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RedParasite
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Posted - 2004.09.04 18:24:00 -
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Completed the mission prior to the change in a CARACAL...didn't even get bellow 50% on shields...it took a while and I missed the bonus but it was fun...its sad that a bunch of whiners can ruine it for everyone else...it seems these cry babies have forgotten the first rule in owning a BS...INSURE IT!!!! Its sad that cry babies can have so much power...CCP needs to get some balls and stand there ground........
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RedParasite
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Posted - 2004.09.04 18:24:00 -
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Completed the mission prior to the change in a CARACAL...didn't even get bellow 50% on shields...it took a while and I missed the bonus but it was fun...its sad that a bunch of whiners can ruine it for everyone else...it seems these cry babies have forgotten the first rule in owning a BS...INSURE IT!!!! Its sad that cry babies can have so much power...CCP needs to get some balls and stand there ground........
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