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Sunviking The Shining Knights 60	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:39:00 - [1] - Quote I don't think we have had much information on this when it really needs to be addressed. This is actually an important issue that needs an answer asap. Is this seriously going to happen without some kind of counter to it? Should we just stop using Missiles? It will impact the PvP game for many people. There are certain Missiles which need a serious rebalancing at the moment without this change making them more useless than they already are (Battleship-class Missiles). All the other EWAR modules have counters: ECM has ECCM as counter Tracking Disruptors have Tracking Computers, Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Links as counters Sensor Dampeners have Sensor Boosters and Remote Sensor Boosters as counters Warp Scramblers and Warp Disruptors have Warp Core Stabilisers as counter If I have missed some annoucement about Tracking Disruptors then apologies in advance. But some kind of CCP answer would be much appreciated. - Sun
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1201	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:45:00 - [2] - Quote Missile riggs
Zarere Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est 38	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:46:00 - [3] - Quote Ohohohohho, more power to my Pilgrim. Where did you find this info though?
Doctor Ungabungas GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 142	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:46:00 - [4] - Quote Sunviking wrote: I don't think we have had much information on this when it really needs to be addressed. This is actually an important issue that needs an answer asap. Is this seriously going to happen without some kind of counter to it? Should we just stop using Missiles? It will impact the PvP game for many people. There are certain Missiles which need a serious rebalancing at the moment without this change making them more useless than they already are (Battleship-class Missiles). All the other EWAR modules have counters: ECM has ECCM as counter Tracking Disruptors have Tracking Computers, Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Links as counters Sensor Dampeners have Sensor Boosters and Remote Sensor Boosters as counters Warp Scramblers and Warp Disruptors have Warp Core Stabilisers as counter If I have missed some annoucement about Tracking Disruptors then apologies in advance. But some kind of CCP answer would be much appreciated. - Sun Tracking computers on missile boats every day. Ahahahahahahahaha.
Xuse Senna Analog Folk SRS. 166	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:47:00 - [5] - Quote Tracking Disruptors have Tracking Computers, Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Links as counters I think you answered your own question, if Tracking Disruptors affect missiles chances are these will be changed to Affect Missile Tracking... Kinda Guessing tbh D3
Sunviking The Shining Knights 60	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:54:00 - [6] - Quote Xuse Senna wrote: Tracking Disruptors have Tracking Computers, Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Links as counters I think you answered your own question, if Tracking Disruptors affect missiles chances are these will be changed to Affect Missile Tracking... Kinda Guessing tbh That's what we would hope, but again, we have had absolutely no indication of whether this will be the case.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 419	Posted - 2012.05.10 11:56:00 - [7] - Quote Finally we have a counter to Target Painters.
Tobiaz Spacerats 384	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:03:00 - [8] - Quote Missiles should have their own (hi slot) counter modules, in the same way ECM has to choose between racials. One module that can counter everything (except drones but those are rare as a primary weapon system), is a certain recipe for imbalance. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 36	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:21:00 - [9] - Quote Sunviking wrote: Warp Scramblers and Warp Disruptors have Warp Core Stabilisers as counter Doesn't work against HICs. Missile ships are already overpowered against Pilgrim/Curse.
DeBingJos Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance 237	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:24:00 - [10] - Quote Sunviking wrote: I don't think we have had much information on this when it really needs to be addressed. This is actually an important issue that needs an answer asap. Is this seriously going to happen without some kind of counter to it? Should we just stop using Missiles? It will impact the PvP game for many people. There are certain Missiles which need a serious rebalancing at the moment without this change making them more useless than they already are (Battleship-class Missiles). All the other EWAR modules have counters: ECM has ECCM as counter Tracking Disruptors have Tracking Computers, Tracking Enhancers and Tracking Links as counters Sensor Dampeners have Sensor Boosters and Remote Sensor Boosters as counters Warp Scramblers and Warp Disruptors have Warp Core Stabilisers as counter If I have missed some annoucement about Tracking Disruptors then apologies in advance. But some kind of CCP answer would be much appreciated. - Sun Target painters Fix FW !
Palovana Inner Fire Inc. 210	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:25:00 - [11] - Quote Make Ballistic Control Systems scriptable units for either DPS increase or tracking increase? Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here.
DeBingJos Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance 237	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:27:00 - [12] - Quote Palovana wrote: Make Ballistic Control Systems scriptable units for either DPS increase or tracking increase? It's a passive lowslot module. Not an acive mediumslot module Fix FW !
Tobiaz Spacerats 384	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:40:00 - [13] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Sunviking wrote: Warp Scramblers and Warp Disruptors have Warp Core Stabilisers as counter Doesn't work against HICs. Missile ships are already overpowered against Pilgrim/Curse. And long range alpha is overpowered against missile ships, and pilgrim/curse are overpowered against long range alpha. Not being able to take on everything indiscriminately isn't 'overpowered' it's called balance. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 36	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:48:00 - [14] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: And long range alpha is overpowered against missile ships.. Not being able to take on everything indiscriminately isn't 'overpowered' it's called balance. How about being able to take on everything, like Tengu? Is that balance too?
Garnoo Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 33	Posted - 2012.05.10 12:57:00 - [15] - Quote you can counter guns at all - tracking disruptors or ecm you cant do this will missiles - you still can stoot while jammed (i know fof are week but its still.... possible) so stop crying you poor newbie! btw not EVERY ewar have a counter.... or find me one for target painters... and only missiles than need rebalancing are HAMs (i know you hisec guys still didnt learned to use torps on bs....) [or more likely ships that can use HAMS - sacrilege, legion subsystem etc etc) People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1626	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:00:00 - [16] - Quote Put a neut on a Tengu and it is game over for the Tengu. I have a feeling that this balance to missiles isn't going to go well. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!
Garnoo Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 33	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:01:00 - [17] - Quote put a neut on anything whats not prepared to be neuted and its dead... caldari dont need cap to shoot = they dont need strong cap People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 36	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:05:00 - [18] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Put a neut on a Tengu and it is game over for the Tengu. WTB neut with 100km range.
hank boar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:08:00 - [19] - Quote Oh goodie more missle nerfs might as well just remove them from game lol can I get all my skills in missles moved :) and trade train time for game time lol that ought to be worth a year or so with max missle skills good thing I switched to lassers :)
Tobiaz Spacerats 385	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:10:00 - [20] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Tobiaz wrote: And long range alpha is overpowered against missile ships.. Not being able to take on everything indiscriminately isn't 'overpowered' it's called balance. How about being able to take on everything, like Tengu? Is that balance too? No. And there isn't a ship in the game that needs a nerf harder then the Tengu. But FFS nerf the Tengu to fix that, not go and nerf missiles instead. The biggest imbalances with the Tengu is the combination of missiles with the 100MN AB. No surprise there. In the history of EVE most of the 'invincible' ship setups were the ones that messed around with propulsion mods. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Cpt Cosmic Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:10:00 - [21] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Put a neut on a Tengu and it is game over for the Tengu. WTB neut with 100+ km range. WTB missiles that hit instantly and are not useless at long range engagements.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 36	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:15:00 - [22] - Quote Cpt Cosmic wrote: WTB missiles that hit instantly and are not useless at long range engagements. That's just a small drawback when you get: - Longest range - You don't need capacitor to launch missiles - You always hit when in range - No tracking issues - Only weapon system in game with pure damage types ... And so on.
Tobiaz Spacerats 385	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:20:00 - [23] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Cpt Cosmic wrote: WTB missiles that hit instantly and are not useless at long range engagements. That's just a small drawback when you get: - Longest range - You don't need capacitor to launch missiles - You always hit when in range - No tracking issues - Only weapon system in game with pure damage types ... And so on. Hitting frigates for 2 damage might as well be a miss and that works off most of the same stats as tracking does. In fact, missiles 'track' worse then turrets because reducing your traversal with range or by kiting, has no effect on your hits. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Lexmana Imperial Stout 421	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:23:00 - [24] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: In fact, missiles 'track' worse then turrets because reducing your traversal with range or by kiting, has no effect on your hits. You cant reduce a penalty that is already at zero.
Garnoo Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 33	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:24:00 - [25] - Quote 2dmg is always more than miss from arty... People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE
Tobiaz Spacerats 386	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:27:00 - [26] - Quote Garnoo wrote: 2dmg is always more than miss from arty... A powerful argument why missiles are so overpowered compared to turrets because they 'always hit'. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Arec Bardwin Perkone Caldari State 382	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:39:00 - [27] - Quote Links to any official info from CCP on this would be nice.
Sunviking The Shining Knights 60	Posted - 2012.05.10 13:40:00 - [28] - Quote Tobiaz wrote: Garnoo wrote: 2dmg is always more than miss from arty... A powerful argument why missiles are so overpowered compared to turrets because they 'always hit'. LMAO But can we get back on topic please? I know that Target Painters don't have a specific counter module either, but then the effect of Target Painters is easily countered by Speed-tanking.
Tobiaz Spacerats 386	Posted - 2012.05.10 14:05:00 - [29] - Quote Sunviking wrote: Tobiaz wrote: Garnoo wrote: 2dmg is always more than miss from arty... A powerful argument why missiles are so overpowered compared to turrets because they 'always hit'. LMAO But can we get back on topic please? I know that Target Painters don't have a specific counter module either, but then the effect of Target Painters is easily countered by Speed-tanking. Target Painters don't need a counter. They are counters themselves to the inherent difficulty to hitting smaller ships (though I think it's often still way too easy, like Arty Tornados easily blapping frigates at long range, which can't really be speedtanked). Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors!
Palovana Inner Fire Inc. 210	Posted - 2012.05.10 16:20:00 - [30] - Quote DeBingJos wrote: Palovana wrote: Make Ballistic Control Systems scriptable units for either DPS increase or tracking increase? It's a passive lowslot module. Not an acive mediumslot module Maybe a new "Missile Optimization Computer" that is active, mid-slot, scriptable module then without altering the original module? Please support: export of settings in editable format Your stuff goes here.
cBOLTSON Star Frontiers Ignore This. 37	Posted - 2012.05.10 16:51:00 - [31] - Quote You have to be shitting me? They are really going to make tracking disruptors affect missiles? That makes so little sense! Does anyone have a link to that? The problem is missiles allready have no tracking boost modules. Only rigs. Even then only HALF of the missile "tracking boosting" rigs work on only half of the missiles available. There is no omni boost module for missiles for either the mid slots or low slots. Missiles are allready underpower as they are. This will litterally kill missiles for pvp. Note - Personally I stopped using missiles in pvp years ago but I am voicing my concern. Ignore This.-á "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn
Rhealee An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE 15	Posted - 2012.05.10 16:51:00 - [32] - Quote For your target painter counter they make boosters and halos. Although i cant think of specific module. I think tracking disruptors effecting missiles was a bad choice. They should have just fixed the defender missiles. Thats your counter for missiles not tracking disruptors.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders RISE of LEGION 82	Posted - 2012.05.10 17:08:00 - [33] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Put a neut on a Tengu and it is game over for the Tengu. WTB neut with 100+ km range. Sniper curse with one faction heavy neut can hit up to 88k. Get a prober to get you a warp in at 50 and you'll be good. You'll probably insta-cap him with the heavy from the curse, turning off all his cap dependent mods. Let your fleet do the rest of the work.
Jta Grl Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:44:00 - [34] - Quote How will it affect missiles? Will missiles stop hitting every time? Its a really radical change. I am pro to missile ECM though. Maybe tracking disruptors can reduce missile velocity or flight time? That would be cool.
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 159	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:45:00 - [35] - Quote I heard you like counters. So we put a counter on your counter. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 136	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:56:00 - [36] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: That's just a small drawback when you get: - Longest range (At longest ranges targets can warp out before volleys hit) - You don't need capacitor to launch missiles (projectiles don't require cap) - You always hit when in range (some ships can outrun missiles) - No tracking issues (instead the targets speed negates damage regardless of direction. A target moving at 1km/s strait at you has 0 trans and as such doesn't reduce turret DPS, but a missile in the same situation would have it's damage significantly reduced. There is also the issue of explosion radius vs. target sig radius) - Only weapon system in game with pure damage types (This is true, but several hulls only have bonuses to one of those types) ... And so on.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1838	Posted - 2012.05.10 20:59:00 - [37] - Quote I can see an argument for the Tracking Disruption module being countered (when discussion missiles) by Target Painters, Missile Rigs, and Webs... at longer ranges now the new Webbing drones (that might actually catch something). However I do think that tracking computers and the like should affect missiles as well. It only makes sense, and missiles are a bit too situational (unless you have swarms of missile ships available) for my taste (Tengu aside, which needs to be adjusted seperately.) When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Zyress Caldari Provisions Caldari State 71	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:02:00 - [38] - Quote Sentinels will be unbeatable in frigate level pvp
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H. 52	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:08:00 - [39] - Quote When this goes into effect, please; Remove the stupid "guided" and "unguided" differentiation, making my skills useless om some missiles Allow me to increase transversal/tracking for missiles by maneuvering my ship Change all the kinetic only dmg bonuses on the Caldari ships Stop being lazy and give the missile T2 ammo the same love the T2 gun ammo did Give me some missile tracking mods and stop herp derping about the painters, rigs and webs that are mandatory in order to apply non lolDamage at the moment and so on and so on... But most importantly, roll back the changes and stick to your guns on the statements about "different weapon systems being different". God knows it's been used long enough to justify the missile drawbacks, and now all of the sudden a weapon system with no tracking mechanic; is supposed to be affected by tracking disruptors? Is this the same Dev that lobbied to unify FW and Null Sec terms? Game too diverse and complicated for him maybe?
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 1838	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:13:00 - [40] - Quote Zyress wrote: Sentinels will be unbeatable in frigate level pvp Ohhhh, now wouldn't that be something. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point. Also, I can kill you with my brain.
Antisocial Malkavian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2012.05.10 21:17:00 - [41] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Tobiaz wrote: And long range alpha is overpowered against missile ships.. Not being able to take on everything indiscriminately isn't 'overpowered' it's called balance. How about being able to take on everything, like Tengu? Is that balance too? If they do the Drake ill bet that'll be "balanced" next lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!!
O'Sheagada The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 2	Posted - 2012.05.10 22:23:00 - [42] - Quote defender missiles

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