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LadyGateKeeper	Posted - 2009.05.23 14:43:00 - [1] What would be the best ship to use against a war target Golem in a deadspace mission? (highsec) I can fly any Gallentee ship. How well do cruise missles damage a cruiser? I was thinking about a neut ishtar or something with an AB.. A ship + setup and maybe an explaination as to why it'd be a good ship against the golem would be apresiated. Thanks!
StuckNJita	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:16:00 - [2] Poking around with EFT.. Looks like it may be a 2 man job unless you had another Golem, and in that case the two of you would probably be able to tank each other.. What's the most DPS a Golem can tank? anyone know? (though i don't think a gank setup would be your best bet) ------------------ Yes, the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese..
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:20:00 - [3] Does....an ishtar with 2x caldari racial jammer sound really crazy?
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:29:00 - [4] You could do it with an Arazu if you catch him at the right time (when he just gained aggro from all the rats). You'll want to use an Arazu anyway for long range point to tackle him, and 3x Damps w/ lock range scripts drops a Golem's lock range down below 20km. If he has FOFs he'll eventually be able to kill off the rats but if not, rats he can't kill + your dps might be enough to overpower his tank. Otherwise, you can bring in +1 in practically anything with DPS and finish him off that way. The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp -------------------------- NOTR
gwnorth Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:38:00 - [5] Originally by: StuckNJita What's the most DPS a Golem can tank? anyone know? (though i don't think a gank setup would be your best bet) Someone had an officer fit one (and possibly a crystal set) that was easily tanking 5 or 6 BS's. You'll need to neut the crap out of him then bring in the heavy hitters.
Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Mykpilot on 23/05/2009 15:55:50 You need to kill his cap to kill his tank or do over 1000 DPS. Killing the cap is much easier. You don't need crazy amount of cap attack since the Golem's. Then you need to be able to tank his damage by jamming him. T2 HACs might not be good enough if he actually using painters/web. I would take a Domi personally. High: 4x Medium Blasters High: Large Nos High: Large Neut Mid: MWD Mid: Warp Distruptor Mid: Heavy Cap Booster II Mid: 2x Racial Jammers Low: Large Armor Repair II Low: Damage Control II Low: 2x ENAM II Low: 3x Damage Mods Rigs: ?? None or CCCs
Cygnus Zhada	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:57:00 - [7] Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 23/05/2009 15:59:41 Neut dommie, doesn't matter how uber your active tank is if you don't have cap. Have a neutral alt scan his tank/cargobay at a gate to know what he's tanking and what damage he's dealing. Fit accordingly. Bring someone along in a Blackbird and he'll be permajammed.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.05.23 15:58:00 - [8] Its not difficult, find out what mission he is doing and use dornes in an ishtar which he isnt tanked against - optimal would be praetors. Fit neuts and have enough capcharges yourself, have an mwd to get in range quick but also 2-3 racial caldari jammers and a passive tank in lows imo. He should go down like a stone. -
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Its not difficult, find out what mission he is doing and use dornes in an ishtar which he isnt tanked against - optimal would be praetors. Fit neuts and have enough capcharges yourself, have an mwd to get in range quick but also 2-3 racial caldari jammers and a passive tank in lows imo. He should go down like a stone. Might want to rethink that mwd-idea for hunting deadspace golems. ;)
Mykpilot	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:15:00 - [10] Edited by: Mykpilot on 23/05/2009 16:15:18 .

Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:30:00 - [11] Neut Domi should do the trick well. OR any Neut fitted BS really, maby even a Cruse.
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari Light Brigade	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:37:00 - [12] Neut Domi.
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. Dead End.	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Neut Domi. this please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
6Bagheera9 Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:49:00 - [14] If its a half decent golem set-up he'll be using a torps not cruise.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.05.23 16:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Neut Domi. This. Fit maybe some racial ECM so he doesnt beat the crap out of you with torps.
arbiter reborn	Posted - 2009.05.23 17:30:00 - [16] nuet domi nuet tempest or bhaalg are the common choice, dual rep generally better than soak tank
Chomapuraku Caldari Templar Republic	Posted - 2009.05.23 17:36:00 - [17] unless your WT gets creative and fits passive (not optimal but doable, due to slot layout), neuts will put his tank at the level of the NPCs he's fighting. have somebody do a directional scan to figure out the rat wrecks he's leaving (and thus his hardeners.) carry ammo and drones to punch through his resist hole and he'll go down like a ton of gold bricks (good lord, the price of a golem went waaay the **** up) to the golem pilot: leave a trail of bookmarks from prior missions, and warp around them, changing the name of your ship each time. fit omni, use painters, and fit neuts in your utility slots. an eccm and a sensor booster would probably help too. you've got plenty of slots, so you can sacrifice some tank for a doomsday scenario (especially if you're dumb enough to mission in a place where your WTs know where you are) let the games begin!!!
Psiri	Posted - 2009.05.23 17:39:00 - [18] Slap some neuts on an ishtar instead IMO, will be easier to catch him that way.
Future Mutant	Posted - 2009.05.23 18:19:00 - [19] Good luck getting him to agro you- if he does neuts is the key to killing him with very few ppl. If its a suicide gank your after- lots of luck on that. You just wont have the time unless you bring tons of ppl.
Zaqar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.05.23 18:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Future Mutant Good luck getting him to agro you Originally by: LadyGateKeeper war target

Khornne Caldari Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.05.23 18:35:00 - [21] Neuts on a Dominix. Jammers. ???. Profit. -- Khornne's Teamspeak and Ventrilo Server Service
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.05.23 18:39:00 - [22] Kill his tank with neuts. Kill his gank with Caldari racial ECM. If he's got a couple of BS spawns on him you don't even need to shoot him.
Liang Nuren No Salvation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.05.23 18:57:00 - [23] I'd do something like this. It's not only capable of killing him (500 DPS, lowest resist will kill Golems) but also infuriates him with a permajam. Just my style. ;-) [Rook, Golem Killer] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Acolyte II x5 -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Atsuko Ratu Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.05.23 19:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Liang Nuren I'd do something like this. It's not only capable of killing him (500 DPS, lowest resist will kill Golems) but also infuriates him with a permajam. Just my style. ;-) [Rook, Golem Killer] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Acolyte II x5 -Liang
Vallista Gallente Amalgamated Ship Systems	Posted - 2009.05.23 19:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Future Mutant Good luck getting him to agro you- if he does neuts is the key to killing him with very few ppl. If its a suicide gank your after- lots of luck on that. You just wont have the time unless you bring tons of ppl. He said it's a war target, so there is no need to get him to aggro.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.05.23 19:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Liang Nuren [Rook, Golem Killer]
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2009.05.23 22:45:00 - [27] scorpion with heavy neuts an omni armor tank and some caldari ecm, neut him to death while he cant do anything and watch the rats kill him p. quick its actually not very hard. Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
ThrashPower Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.23 22:57:00 - [28] If he's using cruise missiles he may switch to FOF missiles if you jam him. There is no counter to rat ECM so if he runs a lot of mission vs guristas it is likely that he carry fof's.
Shardrael Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team	Posted - 2009.05.23 23:00:00 - [29] true but there are two things that save you against fofs, one is that he may be swarmed with frigs and the fofs should go after them first, two you have an armor tank that will take a bit of a beating before it drops. also of note, a golem without enough cap to run its hardeners dies very fast to rats in complexes and lvl 4's Signature locked. Please submit a petition to discuss the matter further. Navigator
Morikai Acler Caldari Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.24 05:55:00 - [30] Originally by: StuckNJita Poking around with EFT.. Looks like it may be a 2 man job unless you had another Golem, and in that case the two of you would probably be able to tank each other.. What's the most DPS a Golem can tank? anyone know? (though i don't think a gank setup would be your best bet) can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps.

Liang Nuren No Salvation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.05.24 07:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Morikai Acler can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. Um, you assume they'll be hitting your high resists for some reason? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.05.24 11:33:00 - [32] [Dominix, New Setup 1 copy 1] Large Armor Repairer II True Sansha Large Armor Repairer Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II 'Umbra' I White Noise ECM 'Umbra' I White Noise ECM Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Nanobot Accelerator I Praetor II x5 Jamm, neut, drones, dead golem..
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.24 12:08:00 - [33] Some neut-bs ... DPS doesn't matter that much, just neuting power, preferably passively tanked bs with a logistics nearby or jammer drones. --- I smack just for myself. * Your signature file is to large. Please note: we do not allow signature files larger than 24000 bytes - Fallout
Wideen Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.05.24 12:13:00 - [34] [Dominix, poof goes the golem] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Warp Disruptor II 100MN Afterburner II 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 500W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5
Morikai Acler Caldari Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.24 14:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Morikai Acler can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. Um, you assume they'll be hitting your high resists for some reason? -Liang Thats with an onmi tank 70% + around the board
chrisss0r	Posted - 2009.05.24 14:36:00 - [36] Originally by: Morikai Acler Originally by: StuckNJita Poking around with EFT.. Looks like it may be a 2 man job unless you had another Golem, and in that case the two of you would probably be able to tank each other.. What's the most DPS a Golem can tank? anyone know? (though i don't think a gank setup would be your best bet) can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. now put the booster offline and look where that number goes...
Liang Nuren No Salvation Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.05.24 16:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Morikai Acler Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Morikai Acler can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. Um, you assume they'll be hitting your high resists for some reason? -Liang Thats with an onmi tank 70% + around the board Wow, chances are my Raven outmissions you then. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.24 16:09:00 - [38] Originally by: LadyGateKeeper What would be the best ship to use against a war target Golem in a deadspace mission? (highsec) I can fly any Gallentee ship. What soc said. Neuting /ECM ishtar. Maybe put some loldefenders in your highs. Neuting domi, if you can get a close warp in, might be better since it has more cap to play with. --
Riley Escobar	Posted - 2009.05.24 22:26:00 - [39] you still havent killed the golem yet,? did you practice silogisms when you were older: 1)Anyone with internet access can read the forums 2)To play eve you need internet access 3)This Golem pilot plays eve Now wat can we conclude... -[my name]
Cilvius Sanctus Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Morikai Acler Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. That is just about any mission. With rigs and good skills you can get a Torp Golem to hit out to 60km, so with a little bit of slowboating you can do just about any mission in one. Also, the thing about hitting the resist that he isn't tanked for is assuming that he isn't running an omni tank. With a Golem you can fit an Omni tank and just not ever have to switch hardeners between missions, but that might also depend on what type of booster he is using. If you can get a scan on him to see what he has equipped that would help, but if not then just make sure you can neut his cap and jam him so he can't hit you.

Morikai Acler Caldari Demon Theory Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Morikai Acler Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Morikai Acler can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. Um, you assume they'll be hitting your high resists for some reason? -Liang Thats with an onmi tank 70% + around the board Wow, chances are my Raven outmissions you then. -Liang I haven't been doing missions very often lately so probably. I could probably do missions faster, in a navy raven, but I'm addicted to the 40km range on the tractors :). Get everything all in one spot so I can bring the salvage ship in and clean up. Granted my setup can tank bonus stage on angel extrav pretty easy. And I've used almost the same setup on a raven to tank Prov HQ sigs. Just a word of warning though, last time I took my setup against a neuting Domi, I came out on Top, granted that was with a pvp fit though. If you get the cap recharge down close to 200 seconds and keep the cap amount above 5000, you're cap will usually take some neuting and keep goin. Last time I lost a golem in pvp though, it was to 5 carriers and 1 mothership, and I still managed to tank long enough to get from 17km off the gate to 2800m from the gate while slow boating.
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:43:00 - [42] Fit 2x heavy neuts. Stagger them.
Jotobar	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:01:00 - [43] Edited by: Jotobar on 25/05/2009 16:03:53 Originally by: Morikai Acler Originally by: StuckNJita Poking around with EFT.. Looks like it may be a 2 man job unless you had another Golem, and in that case the two of you would probably be able to tank each other.. What's the most DPS a Golem can tank? anyone know? (though i don't think a gank setup would be your best bet) can tank about 1300dps sustained easy.... if it's plex or officer fit good luck with that, if thats the case you're lookin at close to 2000dps sustained or more. My t2 fit golem can sustained 1100 dps tank easy. For example if he's running 2x Pith X type boost amps and a gist x type xlarge, he's gonna have a cap stable 2300dps tank, though very unlikely it's possible. Now if he's running a pith or gist X type large, it's gonna be closer to cap stable 13-1400 dps tank. Now if he's running medium drones with his cruise missiles, thats around 550dps going out, though very easy to jam. Just hope you get lucky and he's not running a mission that he can use torps on, if he does that, he'll be putting out a bit over 1k dps. I guess this is where the ship scanning alt comes in. Asuming most sensible people prefers 1200dps instead of 550dps he won't use such an failed overtanked fit. If he does, well you point him an bring in more ships. That, or just neut and watch the tank melt away. 3x3million SP characters would do the trick with many possible setups.


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