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Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:02:00 - [61] Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 23:03:12 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it... tell me honestly is it possible for a new alliance to gain space now? without being a NC pet or Goon Pet etc or renter? seriously? Its not m8. That's not true at all. It was like a year ago. And yes, there were powerblocs. A year ago when bob only had one system? Yup. Yeah but they already had a massive playerbase, massive fleets, tons of ISK, titans etc..and a massive napfest..not really a fair thing to say..hardly started form scratch
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:14:00 - [62] there will be no such thing as a stale mate in eve due to human nature there will always be one that will want more than the other and turn on those close to them to get it. human nature runs eve and that why in eve there will always be war. yes it getting crowded in empire but there is plenty of space in 0.0 there are many system that i see that are empty . the op just need to accept that his plan sucks and that there will be no "wow" to this game or "stale mate" either it is also really annoying when you are reading someone sig.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:14:00 - [63] oh yeah you keep saying FAIr eve isnt fair eve is about knowing the weakness of other and exploiting it for you own personal gain it is also really annoying when you are reading someone sig.
Marcus Xavier Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning	Posted - 2009.05.24 23:58:00 - [64] I doubt anything will change ... especially if it was a mirror of New Eden. The major alliances would merely apply everything they learned in the "Old" New Eden and reconstruct their alliances in the "New" New Eden (with perhaps different leaders). There might be a little shuffling among the top alliances but it's unlikely an alliance without the logistical and administrative experience of a major alliance of "Old" New Eden would emerge to take the resource-rich regions. Having said that, it would be an interesting experiment to see how fast the "New" New Eden would begin to resemble "Old" New Eden. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Marcus Xavier I doubt anything will change ... especially if it was a mirror of New Eden. The major alliances would merely apply everything they learned in the "Old" New Eden and reconstruct their alliances in the "New" New Eden (with perhaps different leaders). There might be a little shuffling among the top alliances but it's unlikely an alliance without the logistical and administrative experience of a major alliance of "Old" New Eden would emerge to take the resource-rich regions. Having said that, it would be an interesting experiment to see how fast the "New" New Eden would begin to resemble "Old" New Eden. id give it less that 4 hours it is also really annoying when you are reading someone sig.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46 Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont... Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc) Reason : Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs. Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one. POST WITH YOUR MAIN No. No shards, no additional servers. No realms. No whatever! Eve is one final universe! When it comes to lag. Its quite fine really! If its lag atm CCP will sort it! And why should thy not? I have seen Jita with like...1400 people without any lag! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:21:00 - [67] No ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Korrakas Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:25:00 - [68] you dont "get" EVE do ya kid ? p.s stop calling me m8 p.p.s stop being butthurt for not being able to break sov and thinly veiling your attempts of "WAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT NIEW SERVER TO BE POWERBLOC GIEF NAO !!" under "calm and mature discussion" Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:29:00 - [69] I agree with the OP but for totally different reasons. The other night I was fighting against an immortal capsuleer named lolyoumamapwned or something like that. That kills every sense of immersion for me in the same way as when I come across a player corp/aliance named "drunken rubbersticks inc." or something. So since I could not possibly hope for CCP to enforce some king of RP rules in their MMORPG (tranquillity), the only solution would be the creation of a pure RP server.
Talosh Min'thor Gallente Min'thor Holdings	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:32:00 - [70] lol... As soon as you get a second shard in EVE, so many people would quit that you would only need one again _____________________________________________ Tuo siht erugif ot yrt uoy fi dedrater er'uoy

Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues Rally Against Evil	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku lol it would be nice to know all the mains against this..becuase i bet everyone posted here against is either sov holding major alliance or a pet or something... seriously though dont just say no..give your reasons..its a discussion stop being so defensive Here you go main against it, as all the other people have stated there is no need for a new shard because EVE is EVE, don't like it don't play, EVE has been "dying" for like the last 4 years now and its still here, no i'm not a pet, no i'm not a major powerhouse alliance i just use common sense and live in places others don't, there is enough space out there and if you want 0.0 access then go earn it or STFU, there will not be a second shard and if you don't like it i shall direct you to the cancel subscription button in your account management area.
Guttripper State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:45:00 - [72] Unless CCP created a whole different layout with randomized moons, planets, and system connections, people would quickly know where to establish themselves. Then the second version of Eve would quickly become like the current server, except the player base would be split between two servers. Eventually, one server would become one-sided and players would leave, similar to how the Chinese server became controlled by one to two power blocks. Just my thoughts.
Steve Cain Guardians of the Void Irano Research Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.25 00:58:00 - [73] Edited by: Steve Cain on 25/05/2009 01:10:38 Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Yes opinions dude..not accusations and rudeness.. Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE... Its my opinion dont like it GTFO Also, you're complaining that it's too hard for new alliances to gain territory, but isn't that whats supposed to happen? Otherwise sovereignty would be changing hands all too often. The Earth has about 6 or 7 billion people on it, there is no new territory for us, fighting is bound to occur and resources are getting scarce, it's the same with Eve, it's supposed to get a little crowded and competitive. Oh and one of the major selling points of Eve (like many have said) is that everyone is on one server.
Maxwell Terallis	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:23:00 - [74] The day CCP opens a second EVE server is the day I stop playing EVE. I know when I meet someone online or in person and they say they play EVE, we're playing in the same world. That's a big draw of this game. Another server removes that.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:46:00 - [75] Remove highways, nerf jumpbridges, nerf jumpclones and above all nerf anything that provides a static income. There are a thousand systems easy that's worthless from here till the end of time with CCPs current approach. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
AizenSousuke Gallente STK Scientific The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:51:00 - [76] Honestly I think the main reason why I started EVE was the fact that there's only one server. I love the challenge of starting off as no-body in a universe full of well developed people (like RL, in a way) and building from the ground up to become the capsuleer I am today. As you can see, the majority of the player base would look down on creating an EVE shard.. I do agree about the powerblocs and the larger player base though. The only real solution that would make everyone happy? Make the galaxy larger. MUCH larger. Remember that eve requires a lot of logistics out of alliances to hold space. The current powerblocs would not be able to colonize and hold it all. Problem solved. -------------------------------------------------- "With hard work and focus ye shall achieve." Unless stated otherwise, the opinions above do not reflect those of my corp or my alliance. Thx. >.>
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.25 01:53:00 - [77] remove standings from the game, if people wanna fly together make them be in the same alliance and live together. As the population of eve grows these large Alliances of alliances will consume the majority membership and simply snowball. For other people to contend they need to do exactly the same, this then stops change. Put 15,000 people in one alliance with all those corps, opinions and moaning it would either take a serious ammount of work or would crumble horribly. Member > Corporation > Alliance The alliance should be the end of standings.
Taak Coram Gallente Cursed Souls Vort3x.	Posted - 2009.05.25 02:38:00 - [78] No.
Napolean Blownapart	Posted - 2009.05.25 03:24:00 - [79] The fundamental problem with sharding New Eden, even if the new shard was open only to new accounts, is that Eve has one commodity that is priceless ... experience. Any experienced player starting a new account on a new shard will quickly overtake any player who is completely new to the game. The same dynamics that exist now in Eve would replicate very quickly on the new shard. That's not to say the OP's points are invalid, but sharding is not the solution. Frankly, I don't know what would help.
Morrn	Posted - 2009.05.25 04:43:00 - [80] Originally by: Darknesss remove standings from the game, if people wanna fly together make them be in the same alliance and live together. As the population of eve grows these large Alliances of alliances will consume the majority membership and simply snowball. For other people to contend they need to do exactly the same, this then stops change. Put 15,000 people in one alliance with all those corps, opinions and moaning it would either take a serious ammount of work or would crumble horribly. Member > Corporation > Alliance The alliance should be the end of standings. The problem there is, that removing standings would only make players do by hand what the game is helping them do now. So removing standings, I dont see as being the answer.

Nooma K'Larr Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.25 04:56:00 - [81] Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 25/05/2009 04:57:04 Perhaps a solution would be to expand the present EVE universe, but not make it as easily accessible. Right now we have the equivalent of a universe with a superhighway. People/Fleets can travel easily from one point to another. Now, what if the universe where expanded to include regions with new re$ources, but not so easily traveled to. What if unstable wormholes where the only way to access those regions? By "unstable" I mean wormholes that always appear in the same location but arent always active. A pot luck sort of thing. That would bring the challenge of allaince "control" to a new level.
illford baker	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:17:00 - [82] no, one reason i love eve is cause of the one server. with wow, if you met someone IRL that also plays wow, there is a 1 in 4 billion chance that they will be on the same server. plus, then 0.0 sov wont be as competitive. if you want sov, you gotta fight your ass off for it.
Da Death Minmatar Relentless Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:25:00 - [83] I think there should be an area where big alliances can not take ownership of 0.0. An place where different rules govern that part of universe. like: part of 0.0 is only for NON-ALLICANCE members, like corps and individuals. I think it sucks that people MUST join an Alliance if they want 0.0 access. There is nothing in between. You work for others (alliance) your ass off or u stay in empire. Its black or white. Get some grey in it! á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer Since 2003.
illford baker	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Da Death I think there should be an area where big alliances can not take ownership of 0.0. An place where different rules govern that part of universe. like: part of 0.0 is only for NON-ALLICANCE members, like corps and individuals. I think it sucks that people MUST join an Alliance if they want 0.0 access. There is nothing in between. You work for others (alliance) your ass off or u stay in empire. Its black or white. Get some grey in it! yes, it is called NPC SPACE. such as SOE,ore, or and the pirate factions.
Jacinta Worth Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:34:00 - [85] The problem highlighted is the saturation of the current space with players. I've seen a couple of others post here about universe expansion and I agree with that solution far more than I do creating another shard of Eve. As far as I understand, since each system (or at least there are blocks of systems) is its own server investing the resources needed to created a seperate shard of EVE into expanding the current universe would essentially have the same effect of doubling the capacity of the system to hold players. I'm not a hardware expert and certainly not a database expert but this is the impression I get from the reading I've done about the game. One of the beauties of a single shard in which all subscribers play is the ability to interact with any single one of them at any given time. In addition to this, people have the possibility of affecting everyone's play experience in some way or another. Those on the other hypothetical shard would have absolutely zero interest in what happens in the 0.0 politics of the current one and vice versa. This would make some of the magic of the world fade, for me. One of its huge attractions is the massive game world with everyone having to deal with everyone else. An expanded universe (say double the amount of systems) would give space for new blocs to form, in much the same way the blocs formed in the drone regions when they were introduced. I've read ideas of adding another bloc of 'Empire' space beyond the fringes of current 0.0 to aid with the logistical hassles of people living in this expanded part of 0.0 and quite like the idea since it'd reduce the stranglehold of those alliances controlling current entries into 0.0 space. In short, I am against the idea of a second shard of EVE since it devalues the current experience but would be in favour of an expanded universe within the current shard to help alleviate the problem highlighted in the original post.
illford baker	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:41:00 - [86] Edited by: illford baker on 25/05/2009 05:41:43 ok, yes eve will get bigger.one day it will get too big for this setup we got now, but lets not make another server. lets make another galaxy! it would make the pure scale of eve much more epic. we can have huge galactic stargates in the center of our current galaxy, i think thats what ccp tried to do with wormholes, but its not the same as they cant get sov, they have no npc sov or stations. perhaps this new galaxy will have aliens? but i don't know how everyone will feel about that, it has been just humans so far.
Shadowsword Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:57:00 - [87] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46 Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont... Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc) Eve being in a single universe is one of it's main selling points. Sharding will NEVER happen. Quote: Reason : Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Ressources drained? Please point me to any ressource that doesn't respawn over time... Powerblocs are inevitable. It's a social trend you can't get away from, simply because 1<2. If Eve were to start over, powerblocs would have reformed within 6 months. Quote: Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs. Nothing prevent you to form your own powerbloc, or to negociate your entry in 0.0. But that would actually require more efforts than venting jealousy on this forum. You speak of large alliances as if they were some repugnant bug, but they're made of players. Players who have made the effort of building the social/material infrastructure required in running a successfull alliance, and defending it. Your are not entitled to a part of 0.0. If you want some, work for it. Quote: Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one. POST WITH YOUR MAIN IF that were to happen, you'd still be kicked out of 0.0 fast, because if you can't carve your own piece of land here, what make you think you'll be able to defend it elsewhere? And don't speak about 5-6 year old vets, that's just an excuse for lack of commitment. Eve is the most newb-friendly MMORPG out there. ------------------------------------------
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.25 05:58:00 - [88] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku lol it would be nice to know all the mains against this..becuase i bet everyone posted here against is either sov holding major alliance or a pet or something... seriously though dont just say no..give your reasons..its a discussion stop being so defensive I've been playing for almost 6 years now. Yes, I am in a major 0.0 alliance. I have been in many. EVE is about interaction on a grand scale. EVE is always changing, Power blocks come and power blocks go. New players will grow into good players. At any given time, even the 100 mil sp character, can only be using a certain number of skills which balances the game. What I want to see is bigger and better wars. I hope one day, the hardware will support 5000 vs 5000 with no lag (I know I am dreaming here). Its the finite resources that makes eve so interesting. POS-Tracker 2.1.0 Hosting
Shadowsword Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.05.25 06:16:00 - [89] Edited by: Shadowsword on 25/05/2009 06:17:57 Originally by: Darknesss remove standings from the game, if people wanna fly together make them be in the same alliance and live together. As the population of eve grows these large Alliances of alliances will consume the majority membership and simply snowball. I'd actually rather favor that, if it also came with a limitation of alliance size (like, 500 accounts max, alts shouldn't count if they have the main also in the alliance, as it doesn't "add" manpower). But that wouldn't prevent several alliances from cooperating together using out-of-game communications. To prevent oog powerblocs would also require something really drastic in neutral/hostile identification, like making it impossible to even see the name of players that doesn't belong to your alliance, and making it impossible to speak to them, and so on. In other words, to much of a can of worms... ------------------------------------------
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.25 08:08:00 - [90] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Camaria Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars Sure, but same people, same vent server, same organization. Day one: 1.000 ex-BOB and 2.000 Goons create an account, after a few hours they have the BOB and Goons corps; Day two: each group pool his resources and buy first cruiser BPO Day 3: they start running around in cruisers while not organized players are still in tier 2 frigates. Fist week: they start spamming POS in 0.0 End of first month: there are 2 power block in 0.0



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