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Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:50:00 - [151] Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku its not doing well, how is it doing well? It's doing well because it's doing better than all other MMORPGs, with the exception of WOW. No MMORPG has maintained the growth as long as EVE has, in fact most have a huge spike at first and then drop slowly. EVE is unique in that regard. Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku and 11.5 million is a massive difference to 250-300,000 massive...so whos doing it wrong? who? cos its certainly not blizzard.. Blizzard is doing fine, but they're building on an established series and have quite a good brand. Also if you do your research you might find they do a tad more in advertising and marketing than EVE Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Its obvious that eve is just full of pompus head in sand people, who just wont adapt or listen to anything.. It seems to me the other MMORPGs should adapt to EVEs concept, because they're losing subscriptions while EVE is gaining them a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures.
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:51:00 - [152] Originally by: Xen Mind Ohhh gawddd not this **** again okay okay listen up CCP have stated several times that they would rather close the company than sharding it This was exactly what killed SWG ........... and any other fail game, can anybody say War or AOC ? lol what killed SWG was it was CRAP full stop...nothing more...
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:53:00 - [153] Edited by: Space Wanderer on 25/05/2009 14:54:29 Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku thats an amazing post and contribution there many thanks..your parent must be proud of you... shakes head Now you are getting too obvious. I realize that maintaining a troll going for so long is difficult, but it is my opinion that you should know when to NOT answer to keep a good troll going. This is only attracting attention on my "this is a troll" message. I am tempted to lower the score to 8/10, but 5 pages are still 5 pages (edit: now 6 actually). Good going.
Lumy Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:54:00 - [154] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures. You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing.
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 14:57:00 - [155] Originally by: Lumy Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures. You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing. not really i bet there is a damn lot unsubbing as well..
Lumy Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:01:00 - [156] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Lumy Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures. You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing. not really i bet there is a damn lot unsubbing as well.. Ya rly. I bet there are even more people unsubbing from WoW. Apparently WoW is even greater fail. Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS.
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:03:00 - [157] Originally by: Lumy Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Lumy Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures. You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing. not really i bet there is a damn lot unsubbing as well.. Ya rly. I bet there are even more people unsubbing from WoW. Apparently WoW is even greater fail. i think we have already proved its not....11.5 million users in the same time of eves 250,000 hmmmm...again enough said on that before you look really silly....
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:06:00 - [158] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku eves 250,000 +50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:09:00 - [159] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku eves 250,000 +50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing. i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:14:00 - [160] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:54:16 Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Infinity Ziona Enough with the bull** predictions (You don't know). Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore). You're refering to the china cluster? Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too. Quote:** You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE? They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer. Yes of course, EA's noble record of fixing bugs in their games gives you this confidence. And by "fixing bugs" I mean "releasing 'EvE 2010' and by "confidence" I mean 'the chance to pay an extra $49.99 every year for those bug fixes'."

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:15:00 - [161] Edited by: Malcanis on 25/05/2009 15:15:25 Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku eves 250,000 +50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing. i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. So you argument being that because EvE is more successful than every sharded game except one, it must shard or die? Hahaha... no seriously, we're quite well aware that you're just not up to the challenge of competing on the same turf as everyone else - in your own opinion.
Lumy Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:17:00 - [162] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction".
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:18:00 - [163] Originally by: Malcanis Edited by: Malcanis on 25/05/2009 15:15:25 Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku eves 250,000 +50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing. i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. So you argument being that because EvE is more successful than every sharded game except one, it must shard or die? Hahaha... no seriously, we're quite well aware that you're just not up to the challenge of competing on the same turf as everyone else - in your own opinion. shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial.. not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it...
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:20:00 - [164] Originally by: Lumy Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction". they failed cos they werent very good games..thats why, nothing to do with the infrastructure...
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:21:00 - [165] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. Current path growth, albeit slow. Recent release of box and advertising boosted it a bit again. Your idea, 2nd server with fresh start, unknown. Majority consensus in this thread, partly based on observations of events on china server, death of EVE. Lastly, historically (peak) users online is 1/5th of total subscribers, so 500k subs would give 100k online.
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:24:00 - [166] your welcome to your opinions guys after all this was a discussion...we shall see what happens in a few years...i guess..
Lumy Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:25:00 - [167] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. Also what is wrong with growing very very very very slowly? (Though I don't consider 20% grow slow). Most of other MMOs are falling very very very very quickly.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:31:00 - [168] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial.. not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it... So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing? Got any evidence at all?
Korrakas Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:32:00 - [169] I haz feling we woz all very trolled Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Lumy Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:33:00 - [170] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Lumy That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction". they failed cos they werent very good games..thats why, nothing to do with the infrastructure... They failed because neither their gameplay nor infrastructure was better than WoW. Infrastructure of EVE is pretty much it's selling point and probably the only advantage in this world of generic sharded (and not so massively) MMOs. I don't think EVE could compete with WoW as 5k people shard. Joomla! in EVE - IGB compatible CMS.

Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:35:00 - [171] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial.. not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it... So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing? Got any evidence at all? Oh cmon dude, eve is saturated now..powerblocs, napfests show me your blue list...i bet its huge (NC Pets are we). Be nice to see Initiative survive without it
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:36:00 - [172] Originally by: Lumy Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Lumy That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction". they failed cos they werent very good games..thats why, nothing to do with the infrastructure... They failed because neither their gameplay nor infrastructure was better than WoW. Infrastructure of EVE is pretty much it's selling point and probably the only advantage in this world of generic sharded (and not so massively) MMOs. I don't think EVE could compete with WoW as 5k people shard. Infrastructure its selling point? its terrible...what you think people have been complaining about for years...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:37:00 - [173] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial.. not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it... So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing? Got any evidence at all? Oh cmon dude, eve is saturated now..powerblocs, napfests show me your blue list...i bet its huge (NC Pets are we). Be nice to see Initiative survive without it Ooooh, well, I can see you know so much about INIT., I hardly dare speak. Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar I AM BETTER THAN YOU	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:41:00 - [174] Classicly EVE online fanboism in this thread. My favorite responses so far: NO!!!11 EVE will DIEZ! Trollz!!! The sad part is that most of these responses are coming from adult men. Grown ups that cant put together a coherent sentence to come up with a reasonable explanation of why they FEAR losing their monopoly on uberness in a spacegame. Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Queen Ba'Ku Retribution.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:41:00 - [175] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial.. not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it... So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing? Got any evidence at all? Oh cmon dude, eve is saturated now..powerblocs, napfests show me your blue list...i bet its huge (NC Pets are we). Be nice to see Initiative survive without it Ooooh, well, I can see you know so much about INIT., I hardly dare speak. Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are. I know enough...no blue list then?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.25 15:54:00 - [176] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are. I know enough...no blue list then? Shall we just cut to the chase where you admit you've lost the argument and are trying to make some kind of feeble ad-hominem ? All spaceholding alliances have a blue list. INIT.'s is longer than I would prefer and shorter than you're assuming.
Bandoral Morgenstern	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:13:00 - [177] WoW -does not have a real economy -almost no items are produced by players -nobody can take your shinies -nothing to conquer except a few sad excuses -no player owned structures -I win buttons -unstable servers But hey, at least you can be a pirate!!! You just have to kill several thousand NPCs to become a "bloodsail admiral" WoW is great
maya ibuki2 THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:15:00 - [178] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent.. Ive played this game for years and seen how its been shaped so it isnt talking from a noob perspective... ive bolded what i consider the important bits. having a large group of powerblocs is a good thing. for example. when i started eve (on a different char), there was bob, and the southern coalition, and a nascent and forming northern coalition. "the russians" (red alliance; those who would eventually lead xxxdeathxxx, -a-, solar and red overlord) where at the time fighting with everything they had in their very last system from their very last poses, so they didnt have a coalition. eve was at the time stagnating as there where only 2 real powerblocks, who where allied to eachother (or at the very least napped). by the time i got into 0.0 with oxide and dmc et. al. there was more space, and more alliances and coalitions fighting over it, with the addition of more space came the mad pact, and the birth of the redswarm federation, along with the full birthing of the nc and so on and so on. this proliferation of pwowers has resulted in teh fact that apart from at most 6 individual alliances (gs, bob, red, rawr, maybe a few others) that space has not had many stable owners for a very long time at all. not even these few historically major forces has gone completely unscathed, and their smaller hangars on or offshoots have either not faced the kind of threats these few have, or have fallen by the wayside and collapsed. in closely compacted flows of power maintaining control of those flows is difficult in the extreme, which explains why the coalitions are at this precise moment fighting over limited regions. once, for example, the querious war is concluded or finally grinds to a halt these coalitions will reset eachother, as that is how it has always gone and will always go in this game, friendships are only held for as long as they are useful. and whilst your opinion may not be "noobish" im not entirely sure, with respect, that it is accurate either. power is volatile and results in change, the proliferation of inter-alliance pacts proves you wrong before anything else, for the simple fact that they are temporary in nature. maya ibuki2-currently thorn alliance pvper, proud member of the 54th knights templar and genral shooty type
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:25:00 - [179] Op - please post with your main so i can blow you up. There is nothing wrong with 47000 people online, on 1 server, it makes EvE more fun. There are over 5000 systems plus 1000+ wormhole systems in game, any of those can be your personal territory.
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2009.05.25 16:36:00 - [180] I say make it 20000 systems and 5000 wh systems. Yes this means more hardware, so get it already ccp lol Bigger the sandbox the harder it is to control...even if the powerblocs double in size it wont matter trying to police mass areas is difficult Or give the powerblocs something else to do,make something new up so they concentrate their abilities on that. nothing is written in stone, remember it started with nothing and is Eve we know today. The hard part is CCP investing into to new hardware in a recession.



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