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Demos Mast
Gallente
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:11:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Your solution would only delay the problem repeating itself though.
Yes after about 5 more years, and then you would have to create a new instance..I mean how many does wow have? tons of em..tis is so that servers dont become over populated/laggy etc and ppl get to experience all parts of the game..
only....Blizzard is absolutely terrible with server tech and their servers collapse, crash and fail if more than 200-300 people congregate to one spot.
and every single time a game of Lake Wintergrasp runs, the entire northrend server experiences 2-3 second lag, and those actually fighting IN WG are suffering 10-15 second lag. This also winds up exntending into the raid instances as well, thus causing noticable difficulty in places like ulduar.
No. Just no.
More servers does not = better. BETTER SERVERS = Better. CCP has done something astounding with eve, something unique. And i can guarantee you the game would ruin itself if more than 1 server were ever implemented. One of the biggest points EVE has is that its one GIANT server, where truly epic events can unfold. This is impossible in typical MMO formats of servers housing only 3-5k people.
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:12:00 -
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I don't see a logic in this thread at all. Space is a much bigger "world" than a planet like WoW. Of course if you play in a game where you stay in a planet would need instances, however we live in space, unlimited "areas", just hope you don't get probed.
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:18:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Navtiqes on 25/05/2009 08:17:45
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
meh
You don't really get EVE, do you?
Sure, you play it, you like it, but you don't understand it. EVE is all about being on one shard. If you want more 0.0, ask for new systems.
I can predict your every move, and I'm not happy - Mitnal |
Viqer Fell
Minmatar
When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:18:00 -
[94]
The man from Del Monte..he says NO!
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Shidhe
Minmatar
The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:19:00 -
[95]
No - there are things to be done in the current one, and having one server is a big advantage - people get known and everyone has a common history.
Things to do in this cluster:
1) It is far to easy to hold territory in 0.0. No, I dont mean in big wars - I mean the huge areas of virtually deserted 0.0 that just happen to be included between existing choke points.
2) Low sec, low sec, low sec. This area need its economy boosted, to make it worthwhile for carebears to risk being killed there. Also reprocessing loot should not give high end minerals - this reduces the profitability of low sec. There is more room in low sec...
3) Alchemy failed to remove the Prom/Dyspro market manipulation - problem for everyone, but especially the small moon mining operations (see low sec above) and pruducers. Again things are being made too easy for the huge alliances.
4) Local in game ads / news via billboards / stations! Make communities communicate! Nothing like making space feel bigger than making your home area more interesting.
5) Nothing destroys the idea of space so much as a single market place. Time for all special measures to be removed from Jita - maybe a good level 4 agent there too?
6) W-space is moving in the right direction, but needs a boost. It needs to be made a little more self-sufficient (not too much). Also time limited deposits of moon minerals might help the general economy. How about deeper w-space systems that only have wormholes to other w-space systems? That way gives more room to get lost in (literally) and more access to risk and reward without the all encompassing politics of 0.0.
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Mulura
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:21:00 -
[96]
reset all sov, remove all pos's (0.0 ones) to their owners hangers, expand 0.0 greatly, low sec quite alot and expand hi-sec a bit (like 1 fourth).
That would help alot (kinda), but alot of 0.0 people would rage-quit (like babies?).
Balance out the moon minerals across 0.0.
Remove 90% of NPC stations in non-npc held 0.0.
New instance, no.
As said earlier, the veteran people could just mirgate to the new server and build up their power base.
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Jennai
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:32:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Guttripper
... similar to how the Chinese server became controlled by one to two power blocks.
a big part of that was because spamming pos and training gunner alts is a hell of a lot easier than fielding a capital fleet or killing a fully-manned deathstar with T1 battleships
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flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:36:00 -
[98]
You realise Eve is less laggy then WoW, right?
Go to a crowded instance in Wow, and watch how you grind to a halt. Instancing is not the solution. You still need a decent amount of hardware to support it. CCP needs to optimize their code (what they are doing) and constantly upgrade their server (what they are doing). The one-universe things is one of Eve's most interesting selling points. Don't kill that for something that WON'T give an advantage
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Andrea Erlang
Caldari
Erlang Biolabs
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:38:00 -
[99]
OP is a good troll. No one even noticed... if by the small chance he's actually serious. I suggest you use eve-search.com next time. This has been done times and times again...
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:39:00 -
[100]
Why is it some people think that everyone being able to just stroll into 0.0 would be good for EVE?
EVE is about players competing with other players for resources.
From Empire, over Low-Sec, to 0.0. This competition breeds conflicts, friendships, betrayal, fun times, sucky times, lag, much LOL and everything else that makes EVE what it is.
Trust me, if you think a new server would do you any good in your quest for 0.0 sov, you don't understand how 0.0 works and wouldn't hold any space on a new server anyway.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:47:00 -
[101]
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Lunewraith
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:03:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
Sorry, but the day CCP 'offloads' to Sony/EA or the servers shard, I'm done. I bet a large majority of the playerbase would as well.
Do a little work, get a free PLEX card! |
F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:16:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Guttripper
... similar to how the Chinese server became controlled by one to two power blocks.
a big part of that was because spamming pos and training gunner alts is a hell of a lot easier than fielding a capital fleet or killing a fully-manned deathstar with T1 battleships
And that goes directly to the argument that knowledge is far greater than skill points. Also it points to game design, which probably wouldn't be fixed by a new shard, unless BS V were a prereq for setting up a POS.
If a new shard were introduced, even a nobody who read the boards and guides would have a leg up on a new server since everybody would start at basically nothing. So whether they're Molle's or Mitten's alt, or a noob who did a lot of research, they'd be on equal footing to conquer the galaxy. Meanwhile, the noobs whom the OP is targeting would still be up the faecal creek without locomotion.
So, yeah, not gonna work.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:26:00 -
[104]
My alliance just took space, an entire region infact without the aid of any of the major power blocks, and outside of the current 'BoB War'.
Space taking is doable, you just have to see something and go for it at the right time  .
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:35:00 -
[105]
i see several posts asking for a biger eve universe yet...
we just got thousands of new systems to play in
Alliances and powerblocks cant hold them , access is easy as you dont need to go through chokepoints to get there...the resources are there...
what else do you people need?
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:00:00 -
[106]
Wouldn't work.
Not without changes in game mechanics.
Given current knowledge a group would easily dominate any new server relatively quickly.
The only way you could prevent that would be changes in Stargates to reduce the number of bottleneck systems and changes to the sovereignty system.
What might be in order is an expansion of 0.0 and possibly even Empire space.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Belmarduk
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:02:00 -
[107]
For the 20th time in answering in the 100th thread: NO
Mainchar:
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:12:00 -
[108]
Originally by: 5n4keyes
My alliance just took space, an entire region infact without the aid of any of the major power blocks, and outside of the current 'BoB War'.
Space taking is doable, you just have to see something and go for it at the right time .
Yeah but for how long..Since everyone else is busy you snuck through the back door..no one cared about UNL..Lets see how you fair once the main war is finished..
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Endel
Quam Singulari
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:24:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Sure, but same people, same vent server, same organization.
Day one: 1.000 ex-BOB and 2.000 Goons create an account, after a few hours they have the BOB and Goons corps;
Day two: each group pool his resources and buy first cruiser BPO
Day 3: they start running around in cruisers while not organized players are still in tier 2 frigates.
Fist week: they start spamming POS in 0.0
End of first month: there are 2 power block in 0.0
This is what would happen. Additionally, current market would collapse because most of the miners and producers would hop on the bandwagon to "get rich easy." Dominating alliances would get even more powerful because they can afford to produce, lose, build, destroy etc. What you want is the end for Eve as it is now. Why, Why would you want that?
OP, no offense, but don't pick the easy way for yourself. It brings you no good; in the end the people who try harder, still will be more successful then you.
Oh, and see, not everyone posts with an alt and not everyone against your idea is in a powerblock alliance. Also, so far I've seen only "no"'s in this topic.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN 
No. More space, particularly more NPC 0.0 is the answer.
All your request boils down to is "I WANT TO BE KING".
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:44:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:57:28
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
Enough with the "NO" replies (unless your a CCP employee you have no authority)
You only have an opinion like me. So how about state what it is and why you think it.
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I think EVE would benefit from another server or many servers because:
1. It could attract people who are daunted by joining a 6 year old server.
2. It could revitalise or reattract those people who are bored with the current server (myself included).
3. It could offer an opportunity for a completely new rule set to the original server. No sov, no capitals, no pos, one character per account....
4. It would offer variety.
Theres a lot of other benefits to the IDEA of a new server and yes probably some negatives too but simply screaming NO, NOOB or posting unsubstantiated bullcrap hardly qualifies as a good reason to not think about having one.
Infinity Ziona
Once again proving, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:48:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:49:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE?
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:52:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:54:16
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too.
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You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE?
They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer.
Proving once again, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:53:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too.
So why aren't you, then?
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:54:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
The day they turn it over to SOE or EA etc is the day it dies.......they have horrible track records at SOE and EA.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Dani Leone
Gallente
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:57:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr
Knights of the Old Empire
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:22:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:57:28
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
Enough with the "NO" replies (unless your a CCP employee you have no authority)
gtfo and I don't even want your stuff |
Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:25:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created...
Ability to control space is a function of numbers of soldiers you can get undocked and fighting, and the level of organisation of the polity. Yes, the major blocs could probably splodge out some, given infinite room to expand, but without the existing holders of the strangle recruiting more bodies or improving their organisation, there has to be a size of 'verse where there comes to be an increase in the number of blocs, which lets the next tier of corps make a grab for some space. As an illustrative hyperbole, if there were 100 systems per account, most people would be able to have their "own" system. There has to be a point on the continuum between the current situation and there where there's a decent amount of space that gets fought over in Corp-v-Corp wars and where there's some noticeable turnover in the "playas".
Perhaps adding "enough" territory is beyond CCP's resources, but there could also be additional mechanics added intended to simulate the difficulties of larger scale command and control beyond what's there now. Perhaps the large blocs could be required/encouraged to assist in some endeavour that's beyond the scope of smaller entities, maybe leading them to have less regard for the petty concerns of territory.
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..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Assuming you mean by "succeed" "gain sovereinty over a system as part of a corp", you're likely correct. Maybe CCP adding new definitions of "succeed" might help too.
But new though I am to the game, I think dividing up the playerbase woudl be a Bad Thing(tm). |
Whoopi Spamberg
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:44:00 -
[120]
Stall mate? I read you say somewhere?
The point when 0.0 wars reach a stale mate and nothing happens will hit us all, demand for many goods will drop like anything.. and as we all know Tritanium has RISEN, right up to 4.2 when I last checked, this is due to demand, i.e people building ships to fight...
Sure BoB were powerful, but they fell, ok they got it back, but doesnt that show you a new alliance can do it with the right know how and the right equipment?
I have been in many a corps / alliances making their first move into 0.0, some make it, some don't, these big alliances cannot hold every system, and it is possible to take from them, you just got to plan ahead and think..
Single shard is the only way for eve to go, just because its the way eve is, as some has said, dont like it? go else where |
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