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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:14:00 -
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Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:19:00 -
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No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
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Caylle
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:22:00 -
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Just the opposite, make it smaller so I can find more people to kill easily.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Oh why, it does. More hardware means less lag, means more fun fighting, means more wars means fewer napfests.
Also it'd add resources to add more content to the systems, making it a bigger universe for all.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Camaria
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:27:00 -
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Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
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Ron Bacardi
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:27:00 -
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Answer: Nope
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Your solution would only delay the problem repeating itself though.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Camaria
Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
(like Wow etc)
you cant add those together in this forum and expect to walk out of here alive ?
no we should bloody instance the server
eve is eve it is that and nothing else
stop trying to adpot it with other game instruments.
please go pod yourself
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Your solution would only delay the problem repeating itself though.
Yes after about 5 more years, and then you would have to create a new instance..I mean how many does wow have? tons of em..tis is so that servers dont become over populated/laggy etc and ppl get to experience all parts of the game..
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
(like Wow etc)
you cant add those together in this forum and expect to walk out of here alive ?
no we should bloody instance the server
eve is eve it is that and nothing else
stop trying to adpot it with other game instruments.
please go pod yourself
so whats your reason behind that rather childish commment?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:32:00 -
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Or CCP can do what they always do and expand the current server. There are still large parts of space that are empty.
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Or CCP can do what they always do and expand the current server. There are still large parts of space that are empty.
Trouble is there is nothing to stop the current powerblocs taking that..
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Your solution would only delay the problem repeating itself though.
Yes after about 5 more years, and then you would have to create a new instance..I mean how many does wow have? tons of em..tis is so that servers dont become over populated/laggy etc and ppl get to experience all parts of the game..
So, what would be the point in playing for that period of time other than to lose everything you've worked for? The better solution would be to find out what causes the stagnation, and then work towards solving that. One of the major appeals of EVE is that it is one major server for everyone.
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Alt lock
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Alt lock on 24/05/2009 21:38:10
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
NO I play eve cuz its on one server when I get a new friend to play with I don't have to worry about x server
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: baltec1
Or CCP can do what they always do and expand the current server. There are still large parts of space that are empty.
Trouble is there is nothing to stop the current powerblocs taking that..
Nothing lasts forever, just ask Tri, bob and ASCN about that
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:46:00 -
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No ..you wouldnt lose it mate..you misunderstood...you would create a NEW SEPARATE instance and keep the others...I dont think your getting my point...
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Ive played this game for years and seen how its been shaped so it isnt talking from a noob perspective...
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
(like Wow etc)
you cant add those together in this forum and expect to walk out of here alive ?
no we should bloody instance the server
eve is eve it is that and nothing else
stop trying to adpot it with other game instruments.
please go pod yourself
so whats your reason behind that rather childish commment?
when i need a reason the forums will end 
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:48:00 -
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Here's an option:
"a mysterious gate opens up and leads to a parallel universe where Empire space is lowsec and lowsec space is hi-sec"...or some dribble like that.
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Jobby
Minmatar
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.05.24 21:53:00 -
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Yes, if/when they get Eve out of beta. It'd be nice to see how it would go without the ... bugs..that made so many people so rich early on.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:12:00 -
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Not going to troll, but serious? No. Eve sells on the one server thing, the minute it shards, alot of people leave.
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Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari
Templar Republic
The Council.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
No ..you wouldnt lose it mate..you misunderstood...you would create a NEW SEPARATE instance and keep the others...I dont think your getting my point...
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Ive played this game for years and seen how its been shaped so it isnt talking from a noob perspective...
I think that it is you that just aren't getting the point of what seems to be every other eve player...
Eve is eve because it's ONE SERVER as much as because it's the cut-throat world that it is.
Sharding eve would kill the game, pure and simple.
And it's never too late to upset the balance and topple an empire - someone already mentioned the fall of BoB, there are plenty of other examples.
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what's happening next in that arena 
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fujiko MaXjolt
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
No ..you wouldnt lose it mate..you misunderstood...you would create a NEW SEPARATE instance and keep the others...I dont think your getting my point...
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Ive played this game for years and seen how its been shaped so it isnt talking from a noob perspective...
I think that it is you that just aren't getting the point of what seems to be every other eve player...
Eve is eve because it's ONE SERVER as much as because it's the cut-throat world that it is.
Sharding eve would kill the game, pure and simple.
And it's never too late to upset the balance and topple an empire - someone already mentioned the fall of BoB, there are plenty of other examples.
Personally, I'm looking
forward to seeing what's happening next in that arena
We are entitled to our opinions, this is the reason for the post..
I think there is a major misbalance in eve at the mo...the reason why bob happened to lose space becuase of a rogue director thats all..But if oyu happy being pets then hey fair enough..personally i think its killing eve buts that my opinion.
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Haakelen
Gallente
REUNI0N
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:24:00 -
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Is it this time of the week already?
No.
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Mistress Selena
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:27:00 -
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Queen, you obviously don't understand what eve is. It is unique because it is the only MMO that has only one shard (ignoring China but that's different). This game is not WoW, so please stop using it as reference.
CCP will not be making a new shard for Eve so stop trying to explain to us why it is a good idea, which it isn't. These threads pop up all the time and you're just like them, Eve will not be moving away from a single shard and nothing you say will change that fact.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
Is it this time of the week already?
No.
That was useful...thanks for contributing..shall i post in russian so you understand?
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Selena
Queen, you obviously don't understand what eve is. It is unique because it is the only MMO that has only one shard (ignoring China but that's different). This game is not WoW, so please stop using it as reference.
CCP will not be making a new shard for Eve so stop trying to explain to us why it is a good idea, which it isn't. These threads pop up all the time and you're just like them, Eve will not be moving away from a single shard and nothing you say will change that fact.
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
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Chris Liath
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:29:00 -
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Troll.
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
Mistress Selena
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Mistress Selena
Queen, you obviously don't understand what eve is. It is unique because it is the only MMO that has only one shard (ignoring China but that's different). This game is not WoW, so please stop using it as reference.
CCP will not be making a new shard for Eve so stop trying to explain to us why it is a good idea, which it isn't. These threads pop up all the time and you're just like them, Eve will not be moving away from a single shard and nothing you say will change that fact.
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
Hmm, see you had a small amount of respect going for you, but the fact that you resorted to capitals, swearing and generally getting angry, oh and also being rude means that anything you say from the above onwards isn't worth reading.
To qoute the person above me - TROLL
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Surfers Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:33:00 -
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Quote:
Question : Is it time Blizzard combined their instances into a single instance of the WOW universe (like EVE etc)
Fixed.
And for your original question, no. Never. Ever.
Y'know, isn't it time they put in health bars in COD 4 and First aid kits to replenish your health like in Half Life 2?
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I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE
Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Camaria
Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars
what's to stop skilled players making new accounts and completely dominating 0.0 due to their know-how?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
I found your problem
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:37:00 -
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lol it would be nice to know all the mains against this..becuase i bet everyone posted here against is either sov holding major alliance or a pet or something...
seriously though dont just say no..give your reasons..its a discussion stop being so defensive
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 22:38:03
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
I found your problem
Hey mr powerbloc/ultimate napfesters..:)
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
Haha, in the OP he said he was "interested" in seeing others opinions on the matter... hahaha
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Propagandas
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:40:00 -
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First of all queen i would advice you go back to your WoW server... Secondly have you ever thought that the eve universe looks so alive cause its just one server and thirdly we shouldnt ask for another server but a solution to the sov system to allow people with small numbers be able to claim sov...
And stop nerfing small ships and pushing forward the whole blob idead
Now Queen logg back in WoW and play your nice Night humanly blood elf female shamano paladin :)
Prop
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
Haha, in the OP he said he was "interested" in seeing others opinions on the matter... hahaha
Yes opinions dude..not accusations and rudeness..
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Mistress Selena
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Selena on 24/05/2009 22:43:15
There isn't a reason for any of us to give a reason better than saying no, due to the fact that this game is a single shard 'sandbox' mmo, which you obviously simply can't grasp. Add to that that it doesn't matter if none, all or some of us aren't posting with our mains. Plus what does being in an alliance having anything to do with our opinions?
EDIT:
ROFL, i wasn't accusing you as you kept on using WoW as an example of what Eve should copy, which tells me that you play WoW. Plus you're the only one in this thread that has been rude, no-one else has resorted to swearing.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Propagandas
First of all queen i would advice you go back to your WoW server... Secondly have you ever thought that the eve universe looks so alive cause its just one server and thirdly we shouldnt ask for another server but a solution to the sov system to allow people with small numbers be able to claim sov...
And stop nerfing small ships and pushing forward the whole blob idead
Now Queen logg back in WoW and play your nice Night humanly blood elf female shamano paladin :)
Prop
damn how did u know..
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:43:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
Haha, in the OP he said he was "interested" in seeing others opinions on the matter... hahaha
Yes opinions dude..not accusations and rudeness..
His response was actually very professional and in no way attacked you. All he said is that EVE should not be compared to a game such as WOW, as they are completely different at the core. WOW is mainly a quest driven rollercoaster, and as such does not need to maintain one server in order to focus on player to player interaction. In WOW, you play against the server. In EVE you play against other players.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Double Eagle Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:46:00 -
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We should make a whole new planet and just dump people onto it, make an instanced "Earth" and let humans reinvent everything from scratch, paving the way new horizons and such.
Translation: Bad idea.
Note: this is a game of patience as well as action, it took awhile but BoB was destroyed and space became available for capture. Maybe this again will happen sometime in the future.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:46:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
Haha, in the OP he said he was "interested" in seeing others opinions on the matter... hahaha
Yes opinions dude..not accusations and rudeness..
His response was actually very professional and in no way attacked you. All he said is that EVE should not be compared to a game such as WOW, as they are completely different at the core. WOW is mainly a quest driven rollercoaster, and as such does not need to maintain one server in order to focus on player to player interaction. In WOW, you play against the server. In EVE you play against other players.
Well not entirely true m8, Wow does have alot of pvp...battlegrounds, standard pvp also..the missions are just like eve missioning..
Can we stop comparing to wow..i simply said wow cos of the multiple servers, sorry i should of said lord of the rings or the countless other mmos that use multiple instances. but eve is correct every other mmo is wrong..isnt it?
I was merely thinking of the setup not the game..
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bestofworst
We should make a whole new planet and just dump people onto it, make an instanced "Earth" and let humans reinvent everything from scratch, paving the way new horizons and such.
Translation: Bad idea.
Note: this is a game of patience as well as action, it took awhile but BoB was destroyed and space became available for capture. Maybe this again will happen sometime in the future.
bob was NOT destroyed dude..they are still alive and kicking...they lost space purely by a roque director..
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Mistress Selena
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mistress Selena on 24/05/2009 22:48:38
Well whatever, the fact still remains that eve will not be changed from a single shard mmo to a multiple, despite what you say or any of the other threads that are made every day/week/month/year
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:49:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 22:50:20
Originally by: Mistress Selena
Edited by: Mistress Selena on 24/05/2009 22:48:38
Well whatever, the fact still remains that eve will not be changed from a single shard mmo to a multiple, despite what you say or any of the other threads that are made every day/week/month/year
thats all you need to say...and if there are soo many threads every week etc..seems theres alot of others also concerned doesnt it?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Well not entirely true m8, Wow does have alot of pvp...battlegrounds, standard pvp also..the missions are just like eve missioning..
Can we stop comparing to wow..i simply said wow cos of the multiple servers, sorry i should of said lord of the rings or the countless other mmos that use multiple instances. but eve is correct every other mmo is wrong..isnt it?
I was merely thinking of the setup not the game..
No one said EVE was correct, but it is still the way EVE does things. If you are unhappy with that you are free to choose one of the other games.
The reason for the single shard I have already explained. The game is player driven. It is a sandbox. Every other game you mentioned focuses on questing and advancing through the server. EVE focuses on player driven conflicts. Whether that is market, mining, production or pew pew.
WOW has tacked on PVP as an after thought. EVE was built around it.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Double Eagle Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Bestofworst
We should make a whole new planet and just dump people onto it, make an instanced "Earth" and let humans reinvent everything from scratch, paving the way new horizons and such.
Translation: Bad idea.
Note: this is a game of patience as well as action, it took awhile but BoB was destroyed and space became available for capture. Maybe this again will happen sometime in the future.
bob was NOT destroyed dude..they are still alive and kicking...they lost space purely by a roque director..
But it did happen, Sov shifted and many new alliances got to claim a little piece.
Territory is like Sov, it just doesn't change overnight. Just like how new countries in our own history didn't instantly become the size that they are today. Or "Rome wasn't built in a day", it wasn't destroyed in a day either (if you count the time it was still Rome).
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:51:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Bestofworst
We should make a whole new planet and just dump people onto it, make an instanced "Earth" and let humans reinvent everything from scratch, paving the way new horizons and such.
Translation: Bad idea.
Note: this is a game of patience as well as action, it took awhile but BoB was destroyed and space became available for capture. Maybe this again will happen sometime in the future.
bob was NOT destroyed dude..they are still alive and kicking...they lost space purely by a roque director..
Wat about the time that they only held one system. No director interference there. And surely you will explain that they came back and took everything back. Well then isn't that an example of how an alliance can begin to accumulate sov for themselves.
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S3RGEANT
Gallente
Black Sun Continuum
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:52:00 -
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"starting a new" is a dream that many capsuleers have had as they gaze at the sovereignty map. but that really would just ruin it if half the players left to join a different server. it would shatter the game somewhat as life in the origional new eden would become boring and in the "new" universe the same thing would happen again eventually. and although there are powerblocs there are still many areas that are still being contested over and constant wars happening..
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:55:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 22:56:28
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Bestofworst
We should make a whole new planet and just dump people onto it, make an instanced "Earth" and let humans reinvent everything from scratch, paving the way new horizons and such.
Translation: Bad idea.
Note: this is a game of patience as well as action, it took awhile but BoB was destroyed and space became available for capture. Maybe this again will happen sometime in the future.
bob was NOT destroyed dude..they are still alive and kicking...they lost space purely by a roque director..
Wat about the time that they only held one system. No director interference there. And surely you will explain that they came back and took everything back. Well then isn't that an example of how an alliance can begin to accumulate sov for themselves.
Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it...
tell me honestly
is it possible for a new alliance to gain space now? without being a NC pet or Goon Pet etc or renter? seriously? Its not m8.
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Propagandas
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:55:00 -
[52]
If CCP makes such a choise which i see highly doubtfull i see alot of ppl emo rage quit EvE is ment to be one world not server.... World its an open sandbox and about powerblocs etc etc...
I've been playing since 04 i seen many many great alliances rise up and go down so no what eve needs is evolution (not talking about the corp lol  although they are neat) anyway new ways of sov gaining more stuff to encourage smaller corps alliances to dare go out in 0.0 thats it... no instanced **** no arenas no battlegrounds eve should be as it is ment to be
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Double Eagle Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:56:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Bestofworst
We should make a whole new planet and just dump people onto it, make an instanced "Earth" and let humans reinvent everything from scratch, paving the way new horizons and such.
Translation: Bad idea.
Note: this is a game of patience as well as action, it took awhile but BoB was destroyed and space became available for capture. Maybe this again will happen sometime in the future.
bob was NOT destroyed dude..they are still alive and kicking...they lost space purely by a roque director..
Wat about the time that they only held one system. No director interference there. And surely you will explain that they came back and took everything back. Well then isn't that an example of how an alliance can begin to accumulate sov for themselves.
Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it...
So wait, BoB owned 3/4's of Eve back then, then lost some, and some more, and some more, and finally all of it, which they had to rebuild and are still fighting over.
Alternatively, yes, it was when eve was right at the start, but it lead to this, and then what?
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Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:58:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it...
tell me honestly
is it possible for a new alliance to gain space now? without being a NC pet or Goon Pet etc or renter? seriously? Its not m8.
That's not true at all. It was like a year ago. And yes, there were powerblocs.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:59:00 -
[55]
Yeah eve has grown and grown with more players...competition had to come..however all im saying i think weve come now to a stalemate point a saturation point..if you feel we havent then fine. i jus tthink we have...
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:00:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it...
tell me honestly
is it possible for a new alliance to gain space now? without being a NC pet or Goon Pet etc or renter? seriously? Its not m8.
That's not true at all. It was like a year ago. And yes, there were powerblocs.
A year ago when bob only had one system?
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Double Eagle Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:00:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yeah eve has grown and grown with more players...competition had to come..however all im saying i think weve come now to a stalemate point a saturation point..if you feel we havent then fine. i jus tthink we have...
Please, if you are gonna try to argue a point, back it up.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:01:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it...
tell me honestly
is it possible for a new alliance to gain space now? without being a NC pet or Goon Pet etc or renter? seriously? Its not m8.
That's not true at all. It was like a year ago. And yes, there were powerblocs.
A year ago when bob only had one system?
Yup.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Bestofworst
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yeah eve has grown and grown with more players...competition had to come..however all im saying i think weve come now to a stalemate point a saturation point..if you feel we havent then fine. i jus tthink we have...
Please, if you are gonna try to argue a point, back it up.
read the first post dude :)
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:02:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
(like Wow etc)
No.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:02:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 23:03:12
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yes but that was right at the start m8 thats what im saying there were no powerblocs etc, i remember when there was like 8000 max online at once..even less sometimes..i mean bob owned 3/4 of eve then..there was like bob and ascn that was it...
tell me honestly
is it possible for a new alliance to gain space now? without being a NC pet or Goon Pet etc or renter? seriously? Its not m8.
That's not true at all. It was like a year ago. And yes, there were powerblocs.
A year ago when bob only had one system?
Yup.
Yeah but they already had a massive playerbase, massive fleets, tons of ISK, titans etc..and a massive napfest..not really a fair thing to say..hardly started form scratch
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:14:00 -
[62]
there will be no such thing as a stale mate in eve due to human nature
there will always be one that will want more than the other and turn on those close to them to get it. human nature runs eve and that why in eve there will always be war.
yes it getting crowded in empire but there is plenty of space in 0.0 there are many system that i see that are empty .
the op just need to accept that his plan sucks and that there will be no "wow" to this game or "stale mate" either
it is also really annoying when you are reading someone sig.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:14:00 -
[63]
oh yeah you keep saying FAIr
eve isnt fair
eve is about knowing the weakness of other and exploiting it for you own personal gain
it is also really annoying when you are reading someone sig.
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Marcus Xavier
Minmatar
Xavier Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:58:00 -
[64]
I doubt anything will change ... especially if it was a mirror of New Eden. The major alliances would merely apply everything they learned in the "Old" New Eden and reconstruct their alliances in the "New" New Eden (with perhaps different leaders). There might be a little shuffling among the top alliances but it's unlikely an alliance without the logistical and administrative experience of a major alliance of "Old" New Eden would emerge to take the resource-rich regions.
Having said that, it would be an interesting experiment to see how fast the "New" New Eden would begin to resemble "Old" New Eden.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:04:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Marcus Xavier
I doubt anything will change ... especially if it was a mirror of New Eden. The major alliances would merely apply everything they learned in the "Old" New Eden and reconstruct their alliances in the "New" New Eden (with perhaps different leaders). There might be a little shuffling among the top alliances but it's unlikely an alliance without the logistical and administrative experience of a major alliance of "Old" New Eden would emerge to take the resource-rich regions.
Having said that, it would be an interesting experiment to see how fast the "New" New Eden would begin to resemble "Old" New Eden.
id give it less that 4 hours
it is also really annoying when you are reading someone sig.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:13:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN 
No. No shards, no additional servers. No realms. No whatever! Eve is one final universe!
When it comes to lag. Its quite fine really! If its lag atm CCP will sort it! And why should thy not? I have seen Jita with like...1400 people without any lag!
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:21:00 -
[67]
No
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Korrakas
Caldari
Legion of Ascension
Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:25:00 -
[68]
you dont "get" EVE do ya kid ?
p.s stop calling me m8
p.p.s stop being butthurt for not being able to break sov and thinly veiling your attempts of "WAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT NIEW SERVER TO BE POWERBLOC GIEF NAO !!" under "calm and mature discussion"
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't have holidays.
I don't leave the forums unattended.
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Major Deviant
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:29:00 -
[69]
I agree with the OP but for totally different reasons.
The other night I was fighting against an immortal capsuleer named lolyoumamapwned or something like that. That kills every sense of immersion for me in the same way as when I come across a player corp/aliance named "drunken rubbersticks inc." or something.
So since I could not possibly hope for CCP to enforce some king of RP rules in their MMORPG (tranquillity), the only solution would be the creation of a pure RP server.
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Talosh Min'thor
Gallente
Min'thor Holdings
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:32:00 -
[70]
lol... As soon as you get a second shard in EVE, so many people would quit that you would only need one again 
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Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:38:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
lol it would be nice to know all the mains against this..becuase i bet everyone posted here against is either sov holding major alliance or a pet or something...
seriously though dont just say no..give your reasons..its a discussion stop being so defensive
Here you go main against it, as all the other people have stated there is no need for a new shard because EVE is EVE, don't like it don't play, EVE has been "dying" for like the last 4 years now and its still here, no i'm not a pet, no i'm not a major powerhouse alliance i just use common sense and live in places others don't, there is enough space out there and if you want 0.0 access then go earn it or STFU, there will not be a second shard and if you don't like it i shall direct you to the cancel subscription button in your account management area.
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Guttripper
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:45:00 -
[72]
Unless CCP created a whole different layout with randomized moons, planets, and system connections, people would quickly know where to establish themselves. Then the second version of Eve would quickly become like the current server, except the player base would be split between two servers. Eventually, one server would become one-sided and players would leave, similar to how the Chinese server became controlled by one to two power blocks.
Just my thoughts.
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Steve Cain
Guardians of the Void
Irano Research Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 00:58:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Steve Cain on 25/05/2009 01:10:38
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Yes opinions dude..not accusations and rudeness..
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
OK STOP THE F88CKING STUPID WOW CRAP RIGHT NOW - NOTHING ****ES ME OFF MORE...
Its my opinion dont like it GTFO
Also, you're complaining that it's too hard for new alliances to gain territory, but isn't that whats supposed to happen? Otherwise sovereignty would be changing hands all too often.
The Earth has about 6 or 7 billion people on it, there is no new territory for us, fighting is bound to occur and resources are getting scarce, it's the same with Eve, it's supposed to get a little crowded and competitive.
Oh and one of the major selling points of Eve (like many have said) is that everyone is on one server.
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Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.05.25 01:23:00 -
[74]
The day CCP opens a second EVE server is the day I stop playing EVE.
I know when I meet someone online or in person and they say they play EVE, we're playing in the same world. That's a big draw of this game. Another server removes that.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2009.05.25 01:46:00 -
[75]
Remove highways, nerf jumpbridges, nerf jumpclones and above all nerf anything that provides a static income.
There are a thousand systems easy that's worthless from here till the end of time with CCPs current approach.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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AizenSousuke
Gallente
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 01:51:00 -
[76]
Honestly I think the main reason why I started EVE was the fact that there's only one server. I love the challenge of starting off as no-body in a universe full of well developed people (like RL, in a way) and building from the ground up to become the capsuleer I am today. As you can see, the majority of the player base would look down on creating an EVE shard..
I do agree about the powerblocs and the larger player base though. The only real solution that would make everyone happy? Make the galaxy larger. MUCH larger. Remember that eve requires a lot of logistics out of alliances to hold space. The current powerblocs would not be able to colonize and hold it all. Problem solved.
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 01:53:00 -
[77]
remove standings from the game, if people wanna fly together make them be in the same alliance and live together. As the population of eve grows these large Alliances of alliances will consume the majority membership and simply snowball.
For other people to contend they need to do exactly the same, this then stops change.
Put 15,000 people in one alliance with all those corps, opinions and moaning it would either take a serious ammount of work or would crumble horribly.
Member > Corporation > Alliance
The alliance should be the end of standings.
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Taak Coram
Gallente
Cursed Souls
Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 02:38:00 -
[78]
No.
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Napolean Blownapart
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Posted - 2009.05.25 03:24:00 -
[79]
The fundamental problem with sharding New Eden, even if the new shard was open only to new accounts, is that Eve has one commodity that is priceless ... experience. Any experienced player starting a new account on a new shard will quickly overtake any player who is completely new to the game. The same dynamics that exist now in Eve would replicate very quickly on the new shard.
That's not to say the OP's points are invalid, but sharding is not the solution. Frankly, I don't know what would help.
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Morrn
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Posted - 2009.05.25 04:43:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Darknesss
remove standings from the game, if people wanna fly together make them be in the same alliance and live together. As the population of eve grows these large Alliances of alliances will consume the majority membership and simply snowball.
For other people to contend they need to do exactly the same, this then stops change.
Put 15,000 people in one alliance with all those corps, opinions and moaning it would either take a serious ammount of work or would crumble horribly.
Member > Corporation > Alliance
The alliance should be the end of standings.
The problem there is, that removing standings would only make players do by hand what the game is helping them do now. So removing standings, I dont see as being the answer.
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.25 04:56:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Nooma K''Larr on 25/05/2009 04:57:04
Perhaps a solution would be to expand the present EVE universe, but not make it as easily accessible.
Right now we have the equivalent of a universe with a superhighway. People/Fleets can travel easily from one point to another.
Now, what if the universe where expanded to include regions with new re$ources, but not so easily traveled to.
What if unstable wormholes where the only way to access those regions?
By "unstable" I mean wormholes that always appear in the same location but arent always active. A pot luck sort of thing.
That would bring the challenge of allaince "control" to a new level.
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illford baker
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:17:00 -
[82]
no, one reason i love eve is cause of the one server. with wow, if you met someone IRL that also plays wow, there is a 1 in 4 billion chance that they will be on the same server. plus, then 0.0 sov wont be as competitive. if you want sov, you gotta fight your ass off for it.
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Da Death
Minmatar
Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:25:00 -
[83]
I think there should be an area where big alliances can not take ownership of 0.0. An place where different rules govern that part of universe.
like:
part of 0.0 is only for NON-ALLICANCE members, like corps and individuals. I think it sucks that people MUST join an Alliance if they want 0.0 access. There is nothing in between. You work for others (alliance) your ass off or u stay in empire. Its black or white. Get some grey in it!
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illford baker
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:32:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Da Death
I think there should be an area where big alliances can not take ownership of 0.0. An place where different rules govern that part of universe.
like:
part of 0.0 is only for NON-ALLICANCE members, like corps and individuals. I think it sucks that people MUST join an Alliance if they want 0.0 access. There is nothing in between. You work for others (alliance) your ass off or u stay in empire. Its black or white. Get some grey in it!
yes, it is called NPC SPACE. such as SOE,ore, or and the pirate factions.
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Jacinta Worth
Raddick Explorations
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:34:00 -
[85]
The problem highlighted is the saturation of the current space with players. I've seen a couple of others post here about universe expansion and I agree with that solution far more than I do creating another shard of Eve. As far as I understand, since each system (or at least there are blocks of systems) is its own server investing the resources needed to created a seperate shard of EVE into expanding the current universe would essentially have the same effect of doubling the capacity of the system to hold players. I'm not a hardware expert and certainly not a database expert but this is the impression I get from the reading I've done about the game.
One of the beauties of a single shard in which all subscribers play is the ability to interact with any single one of them at any given time. In addition to this, people have the possibility of affecting everyone's play experience in some way or another. Those on the other hypothetical shard would have absolutely zero interest in what happens in the 0.0 politics of the current one and vice versa. This would make some of the magic of the world fade, for me. One of its huge attractions is the massive game world with everyone having to deal with everyone else.
An expanded universe (say double the amount of systems) would give space for new blocs to form, in much the same way the blocs formed in the drone regions when they were introduced. I've read ideas of adding another bloc of 'Empire' space beyond the fringes of current 0.0 to aid with the logistical hassles of people living in this expanded part of 0.0 and quite like the idea since it'd reduce the stranglehold of those alliances controlling current entries into 0.0 space.
In short, I am against the idea of a second shard of EVE since it devalues the current experience but would be in favour of an expanded universe within the current shard to help alleviate the problem highlighted in the original post.
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illford baker
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: illford baker on 25/05/2009 05:41:43
ok, yes eve will get bigger.one day it will get too big for this setup we got now, but lets not make another server. lets make another galaxy! it would make the pure scale of eve much more epic. we can have huge galactic stargates in the center of our current galaxy, i think thats what ccp tried to do with wormholes, but its not the same as they cant get sov, they have no npc sov or stations. perhaps this new galaxy will have aliens? but i don't know how everyone will feel about that, it has been just humans so far.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:57:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Eve being in a single universe is one of it's main selling points. Sharding will NEVER happen.
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Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc.
Ressources drained? Please point me to any ressource that doesn't respawn over time...
Powerblocs are inevitable. It's a social trend you can't get away from, simply because 1<2. If Eve were to start over, powerblocs would have reformed within 6 months.
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Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Nothing prevent you to form your own powerbloc, or to negociate your entry in 0.0. But that would actually require more efforts than venting jealousy on this forum. You speak of large alliances as if they were some repugnant bug, but they're made of players. Players who have made the effort of building the social/material infrastructure required in running a successfull alliance, and defending it.
Your are not entitled to a part of 0.0. If you want some, work for it.
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Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN
IF that were to happen, you'd still be kicked out of 0.0 fast, because if you can't carve your own piece of land here, what make you think you'll be able to defend it elsewhere? And don't speak about 5-6 year old vets, that's just an excuse for lack of commitment. Eve is the most newb-friendly MMORPG out there.
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Caldari
Quantum Industries
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 05:58:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
lol it would be nice to know all the mains against this..becuase i bet everyone posted here against is either sov holding major alliance or a pet or something...
seriously though dont just say no..give your reasons..its a discussion stop being so defensive
I've been playing for almost 6 years now. Yes, I am in a major 0.0 alliance. I have been in many. EVE is about interaction on a grand scale. EVE is always changing, Power blocks come and power blocks go. New players will grow into good players. At any given time, even the 100 mil sp character, can only be using a certain number of skills which balances the game. What I want to see is bigger and better wars. I hope one day, the hardware will support 5000 vs 5000 with no lag (I know I am dreaming here). Its the finite resources that makes eve so interesting.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.25 06:16:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Shadowsword on 25/05/2009 06:17:57
Originally by: Darknesss
remove standings from the game, if people wanna fly together make them be in the same alliance and live together. As the population of eve grows these large Alliances of alliances will consume the majority membership and simply snowball.
I'd actually rather favor that, if it also came with a limitation of alliance size (like, 500 accounts max, alts shouldn't count if they have the main also in the alliance, as it doesn't "add" manpower). But that wouldn't prevent several alliances from cooperating together using out-of-game communications.
To prevent oog powerblocs would also require something really drastic in neutral/hostile identification, like making it impossible to even see the name of players that doesn't belong to your alliance, and making it impossible to speak to them, and so on. In other words, to much of a can of worms...
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Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Camaria
Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars
Sure, but same people, same vent server, same organization.
Day one: 1.000 ex-BOB and 2.000 Goons create an account, after a few hours they have the BOB and Goons corps;
Day two: each group pool his resources and buy first cruiser BPO
Day 3: they start running around in cruisers while not organized players are still in tier 2 frigates.
Fist week: they start spamming POS in 0.0
End of first month: there are 2 power block in 0.0
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Demos Mast
Gallente
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:11:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Your solution would only delay the problem repeating itself though.
Yes after about 5 more years, and then you would have to create a new instance..I mean how many does wow have? tons of em..tis is so that servers dont become over populated/laggy etc and ppl get to experience all parts of the game..
only....Blizzard is absolutely terrible with server tech and their servers collapse, crash and fail if more than 200-300 people congregate to one spot.
and every single time a game of Lake Wintergrasp runs, the entire northrend server experiences 2-3 second lag, and those actually fighting IN WG are suffering 10-15 second lag. This also winds up exntending into the raid instances as well, thus causing noticable difficulty in places like ulduar.
No. Just no.
More servers does not = better. BETTER SERVERS = Better. CCP has done something astounding with eve, something unique. And i can guarantee you the game would ruin itself if more than 1 server were ever implemented. One of the biggest points EVE has is that its one GIANT server, where truly epic events can unfold. This is impossible in typical MMO formats of servers housing only 3-5k people.
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:12:00 -
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I don't see a logic in this thread at all. Space is a much bigger "world" than a planet like WoW. Of course if you play in a game where you stay in a planet would need instances, however we live in space, unlimited "areas", just hope you don't get probed.
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:18:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Navtiqes on 25/05/2009 08:17:45
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
meh
You don't really get EVE, do you?
Sure, you play it, you like it, but you don't understand it. EVE is all about being on one shard. If you want more 0.0, ask for new systems.
I can predict your every move, and I'm not happy - Mitnal |
Viqer Fell
Minmatar
When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:18:00 -
[94]
The man from Del Monte..he says NO!
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Shidhe
Minmatar
The Babylon5 Consortuim
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:19:00 -
[95]
No - there are things to be done in the current one, and having one server is a big advantage - people get known and everyone has a common history.
Things to do in this cluster:
1) It is far to easy to hold territory in 0.0. No, I dont mean in big wars - I mean the huge areas of virtually deserted 0.0 that just happen to be included between existing choke points.
2) Low sec, low sec, low sec. This area need its economy boosted, to make it worthwhile for carebears to risk being killed there. Also reprocessing loot should not give high end minerals - this reduces the profitability of low sec. There is more room in low sec...
3) Alchemy failed to remove the Prom/Dyspro market manipulation - problem for everyone, but especially the small moon mining operations (see low sec above) and pruducers. Again things are being made too easy for the huge alliances.
4) Local in game ads / news via billboards / stations! Make communities communicate! Nothing like making space feel bigger than making your home area more interesting.
5) Nothing destroys the idea of space so much as a single market place. Time for all special measures to be removed from Jita - maybe a good level 4 agent there too?
6) W-space is moving in the right direction, but needs a boost. It needs to be made a little more self-sufficient (not too much). Also time limited deposits of moon minerals might help the general economy. How about deeper w-space systems that only have wormholes to other w-space systems? That way gives more room to get lost in (literally) and more access to risk and reward without the all encompassing politics of 0.0.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:21:00 -
[96]
reset all sov, remove all pos's (0.0 ones) to their owners hangers, expand 0.0 greatly, low sec quite alot and expand hi-sec a bit (like 1 fourth).
That would help alot (kinda), but alot of 0.0 people would rage-quit (like babies?).
Balance out the moon minerals across 0.0.
Remove 90% of NPC stations in non-npc held 0.0.
New instance, no.
As said earlier, the veteran people could just mirgate to the new server and build up their power base.
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Jennai
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:32:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Guttripper
... similar to how the Chinese server became controlled by one to two power blocks.
a big part of that was because spamming pos and training gunner alts is a hell of a lot easier than fielding a capital fleet or killing a fully-manned deathstar with T1 battleships
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flashfreaking
LFC
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:36:00 -
[98]
You realise Eve is less laggy then WoW, right?
Go to a crowded instance in Wow, and watch how you grind to a halt. Instancing is not the solution. You still need a decent amount of hardware to support it. CCP needs to optimize their code (what they are doing) and constantly upgrade their server (what they are doing). The one-universe things is one of Eve's most interesting selling points. Don't kill that for something that WON'T give an advantage
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Andrea Erlang
Caldari
Erlang Biolabs
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:38:00 -
[99]
OP is a good troll. No one even noticed... if by the small chance he's actually serious. I suggest you use eve-search.com next time. This has been done times and times again...
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:39:00 -
[100]
Why is it some people think that everyone being able to just stroll into 0.0 would be good for EVE?
EVE is about players competing with other players for resources.
From Empire, over Low-Sec, to 0.0. This competition breeds conflicts, friendships, betrayal, fun times, sucky times, lag, much LOL and everything else that makes EVE what it is.
Trust me, if you think a new server would do you any good in your quest for 0.0 sov, you don't understand how 0.0 works and wouldn't hold any space on a new server anyway.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 08:47:00 -
[101]
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:03:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
Sorry, but the day CCP 'offloads' to Sony/EA or the servers shard, I'm done. I bet a large majority of the playerbase would as well.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:16:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Guttripper
... similar to how the Chinese server became controlled by one to two power blocks.
a big part of that was because spamming pos and training gunner alts is a hell of a lot easier than fielding a capital fleet or killing a fully-manned deathstar with T1 battleships
And that goes directly to the argument that knowledge is far greater than skill points. Also it points to game design, which probably wouldn't be fixed by a new shard, unless BS V were a prereq for setting up a POS.
If a new shard were introduced, even a nobody who read the boards and guides would have a leg up on a new server since everybody would start at basically nothing. So whether they're Molle's or Mitten's alt, or a noob who did a lot of research, they'd be on equal footing to conquer the galaxy. Meanwhile, the noobs whom the OP is targeting would still be up the faecal creek without locomotion.
So, yeah, not gonna work.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:26:00 -
[104]
My alliance just took space, an entire region infact without the aid of any of the major power blocks, and outside of the current 'BoB War'.
Space taking is doable, you just have to see something and go for it at the right time  .
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:35:00 -
[105]
i see several posts asking for a biger eve universe yet...
we just got thousands of new systems to play in
Alliances and powerblocks cant hold them , access is easy as you dont need to go through chokepoints to get there...the resources are there...
what else do you people need?
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:00:00 -
[106]
Wouldn't work.
Not without changes in game mechanics.
Given current knowledge a group would easily dominate any new server relatively quickly.
The only way you could prevent that would be changes in Stargates to reduce the number of bottleneck systems and changes to the sovereignty system.
What might be in order is an expansion of 0.0 and possibly even Empire space.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Belmarduk
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:02:00 -
[107]
For the 20th time in answering in the 100th thread: NO
Mainchar:
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:12:00 -
[108]
Originally by: 5n4keyes
My alliance just took space, an entire region infact without the aid of any of the major power blocks, and outside of the current 'BoB War'.
Space taking is doable, you just have to see something and go for it at the right time .
Yeah but for how long..Since everyone else is busy you snuck through the back door..no one cared about UNL..Lets see how you fair once the main war is finished..
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Endel
Quam Singulari
Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:24:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Sure, but same people, same vent server, same organization.
Day one: 1.000 ex-BOB and 2.000 Goons create an account, after a few hours they have the BOB and Goons corps;
Day two: each group pool his resources and buy first cruiser BPO
Day 3: they start running around in cruisers while not organized players are still in tier 2 frigates.
Fist week: they start spamming POS in 0.0
End of first month: there are 2 power block in 0.0
This is what would happen. Additionally, current market would collapse because most of the miners and producers would hop on the bandwagon to "get rich easy." Dominating alliances would get even more powerful because they can afford to produce, lose, build, destroy etc. What you want is the end for Eve as it is now. Why, Why would you want that?
OP, no offense, but don't pick the easy way for yourself. It brings you no good; in the end the people who try harder, still will be more successful then you.
Oh, and see, not everyone posts with an alt and not everyone against your idea is in a powerblock alliance. Also, so far I've seen only "no"'s in this topic.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN
No. More space, particularly more NPC 0.0 is the answer.
All your request boils down to is "I WANT TO BE KING".
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:44:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:57:28
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
Enough with the "NO" replies (unless your a CCP employee you have no authority)
You only have an opinion like me. So how about state what it is and why you think it.
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I think EVE would benefit from another server or many servers because:
1. It could attract people who are daunted by joining a 6 year old server.
2. It could revitalise or reattract those people who are bored with the current server (myself included).
3. It could offer an opportunity for a completely new rule set to the original server. No sov, no capitals, no pos, one character per account....
4. It would offer variety.
Theres a lot of other benefits to the IDEA of a new server and yes probably some negatives too but simply screaming NO, NOOB or posting unsubstantiated bullcrap hardly qualifies as a good reason to not think about having one.
Infinity Ziona
Once again proving, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:48:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:49:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE?
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:52:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:54:16
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too.
Quote:
You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE?
They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:53:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too.
So why aren't you, then?
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:54:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
I think the question is not "SHOULD IT HAPPEN?" But "WHEN WILL IT".
As I have said in many threads before this one regarding the same concept - There are already 2 EVE universes.
CCP will one day offload EVE onto a bigger content provider (SONY, EA etc).
Thats gonna be a good thing - right now I just had 2 clients crash 5 mins apart with a .EXE error and the other client is currently having a loop fit stuck jumping on a gate.
The day they turn it over to SOE or EA etc is the day it dies.......they have horrible track records at SOE and EA.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Dani Leone
Gallente
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
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Posted - 2009.05.25 11:57:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
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Nepech Al'akir
Amarr
Knights of the Old Empire
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:22:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:57:28
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
Enough with the "NO" replies (unless your a CCP employee you have no authority)
gtfo and I don't even want your stuff |
Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:25:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created...
Ability to control space is a function of numbers of soldiers you can get undocked and fighting, and the level of organisation of the polity. Yes, the major blocs could probably splodge out some, given infinite room to expand, but without the existing holders of the strangle recruiting more bodies or improving their organisation, there has to be a size of 'verse where there comes to be an increase in the number of blocs, which lets the next tier of corps make a grab for some space. As an illustrative hyperbole, if there were 100 systems per account, most people would be able to have their "own" system. There has to be a point on the continuum between the current situation and there where there's a decent amount of space that gets fought over in Corp-v-Corp wars and where there's some noticeable turnover in the "playas".
Perhaps adding "enough" territory is beyond CCP's resources, but there could also be additional mechanics added intended to simulate the difficulties of larger scale command and control beyond what's there now. Perhaps the large blocs could be required/encouraged to assist in some endeavour that's beyond the scope of smaller entities, maybe leading them to have less regard for the petty concerns of territory.
Quote:
..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Assuming you mean by "succeed" "gain sovereinty over a system as part of a corp", you're likely correct. Maybe CCP adding new definitions of "succeed" might help too.
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Whoopi Spamberg
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:44:00 -
[120]
Stall mate? I read you say somewhere?
The point when 0.0 wars reach a stale mate and nothing happens will hit us all, demand for many goods will drop like anything.. and as we all know Tritanium has RISEN, right up to 4.2 when I last checked, this is due to demand, i.e people building ships to fight...
Sure BoB were powerful, but they fell, ok they got it back, but doesnt that show you a new alliance can do it with the right know how and the right equipment?
I have been in many a corps / alliances making their first move into 0.0, some make it, some don't, these big alliances cannot hold every system, and it is possible to take from them, you just got to plan ahead and think..
Single shard is the only way for eve to go, just because its the way eve is, as some has said, dont like it? go else where |
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:10:00 -
[121]
best thing about eve is the single shard, things would have to get VERY VERY bad for me to ever think a second shard is needed |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:28:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer.
EA will cancel it to use the server hardware for The Sims Online 2 and SOE will throw out all the skills, kill the industry and market and make it quest and joystick based in 100 systems instead of 7500.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:57:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Xtreem
best thing about eve is the single shard, things would have to get VERY VERY bad for me to ever think a second shard is needed
Well done the first person to admit it, the main reason ppl dont wont multiple is personal issues...I was waiting for that...
Ok lets leave it as is then, however Eve will never expand. With all the advertising, etc etc the max online count hasnt gone up much..about 10000 in the last couple of years its been stagnant..and CCP have advertised enormously more....so CCP definately want it to expand..
And again is not about Wow the game its the infrastructure..and too see Eve will die is crazy, ok lets look at the Wow game then..its a massive...5million+ players...eve 300,000 ermmm see the maths? So stop calling Wow fail..its the most successful, most used MMO in history and continues to be..Stop being so snobbish etc, those 5 million people prob laughing at you and saying they just dont learn do they...
Lets see how eve is in the next few years..id like to know also how many accounts are closed and how many are open ratio..I bet its a high amount closed...
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.05.25 13:58:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:54:16
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too.
Quote:
You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE?
They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer.
I see your complete dismissal of my argument, and repeat for emphasis: You don't get EVE.
Restarting a 6 year old game based entirely on player decisions and player interaction is, at the lack of any better description, idiotic. It would divide an unusually strong community in half and kill the sense of a persistant enviroment.
You can get away with that in carebear simulators like EQ and WoW because it's all a big themepark on rails where the players are simply passing through like everyone else without actually affecting people in any decisive manner.
Instead of demanding CCP listens to your shortsighted demands, you should figure out how to succeed at whatever it inevitably is you're struggling to achieve ingame.
I can predict your every move, and I'm not happy - Mitnal |
Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:01:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:06:17
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:00:49
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:57:28
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
Enough with the "NO" replies (unless your a CCP employee you have no authority)
You only have an opinion like me. So how about state what it is and why you think it.
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I think EVE would benefit from another server or many servers because:
1. It could attract people who are daunted by joining a 6 year old server.
2. It could revitalise or reattract those people who are bored with the current server (myself included).
3. It could offer an opportunity for a completely new rule set to the original server. No sov, no capitals, no pos, one character per account....
4. It would offer variety.
Theres a lot of other benefits to the IDEA of a new server and yes probably some negatives too but simply screaming NO, NOOB or posting unsubstantiated bullcrap hardly qualifies as a good reason to not think about having one.
Infinity Ziona
Once again proving, that, I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
A -- FECKING -- MEN
Also remember is NOT A COMPLETE NEW GET RID OF THE OLD...its just ANOTHER instance..
I dont think you will lose players as much as ppl thing from TQ, because you shouldn tbe able to transfer chars...Yes people have knowledge but they will start from the same position everyone else does, with a noob char, with a noob ship and no isk...
I cant see why people are soo against it..its not going to affect your gaming experience at all..if you want to stay on TQ then fine...
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Southern Suzy
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:04:00 -
[126]
WE HAVE MULTIPLE SERVERS! GO PLAY ON SISI IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS MUCH PPL 
Yet another stupid thread spotted!
Read some of the stuff on the site about the history of eve and the way CCP wants this game to be and u'll know there wont be multiple servers
So wait this is the end of my post allready?
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nahtoh
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:05:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Abrazzar
No, they should double the hardware for the current server instead.
With respect that doesnt solve the problem mate :)
Your solution would only delay the problem repeating itself though.
Yes after about 5 more years, and then you would have to create a new instance..I mean how many does wow have? tons of em..tis is so that servers dont become over populated/laggy etc and ppl get to experience all parts of the game..
No, oh and die in a fire (ingame of course)...
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:07:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Southern Suzy
WE HAVE MULTIPLE SERVERS! GO PLAY ON SISI IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS MUCH PPL
Yet another stupid thread spotted!
Read some of the stuff on the site about the history of eve and the way CCP wants this game to be and u'll know there wont be multiple servers
Thats why eve will die horribly.....have fun....adapt or die...
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Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:10:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Southern Suzy
WE HAVE MULTIPLE SERVERS! GO PLAY ON SISI IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS MUCH PPL
Yet another stupid thread spotted!
Read some of the stuff on the site about the history of eve and the way CCP wants this game to be and u'll know there wont be multiple servers
Thats why eve will die horribly.....have fun....adapt or die...
FYI, EVE is dying since '03.
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Camaria
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Camaria
Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars
Where did I say they could transfer over? They'll just make new alts/accounts in the new instance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:14:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Camaria
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Camaria
Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars
Where did I say they could transfer over? They'll just make new alts/accounts in the new instance
yeah but not everyone would create a new account would they lol..and everyone wouls start from complete scratch, nooob char, noob skills, no isk etc etc...so they wouldnt havea massive advantage at all..by time they train up, every other person would of gained knowledge also...so end up being pretty even...
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Ok lets leave it as is then, however Eve will never expand. With all the advertising, etc etc the max online count hasnt gone up much..about 10000 in the last couple of years its been stagnant..and CCP have advertised enormously more....so CCP definately want it to expand..
20% growth in the last 6 months is not stagnant. 100% growth in the last 30 months is not stagnant.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:23:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:26:20
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:26:05
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:23:35
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Ok lets leave it as is then, however Eve will never expand. With all the advertising, etc etc the max online count hasnt gone up much..about 10000 in the last couple of years its been stagnant..and CCP have advertised enormously more....so CCP definately want it to expand..
20% growth in the last 6 months is not stagnant. 100% growth in the last 30 months is not stagnant.
After the last 3 major upgrades and major advertising ccp have done, on steam, mags everywhere..there hasnt been a significant jump in the amount of actual online players at all....thats a fact.. its stayed pretty much the same..so what does that say?
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Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:25:00 -
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I can't believe you have the cheek to pretend that this is a serious thread...
For the record: NO, this is the worst idea I've ever heard, and utterly, staggeringly stupid.
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Estel Arador
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Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:26:00 -
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I'll reiterate the point that EVE is EVE because of the single servercluster.
Also the 'problems' in the first post won't be fixed by having another servercluster. It won't give new people a chance, it will give old people a new chance to do it right from the start.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:27:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43
just a comparison here
WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years)
EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time
ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand.
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Estel Arador
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Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
After the last 3 major upgrades and major advertising ccp have done, on steam, mags everywhere..there hasnt been a significant jump in the amount of actual online players at all....thats a fact.. its stayed pretty much the same..so what does that say?
See this going from below 40k to over 50k in one year?
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:30:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Camaria
Wiser people than me pointed out why the OPs suggestion would not do any good
What would happen, would be that the current powerblocks, due to numbers, organisation, and skill at playing eve, would almost instantly gain even tighter control over the new instance, than they currently have over this instance of eve
Nope...they SHOULD NOT be able transfer over, new instance new accounts/chars
what's to stop skilled players making new accounts and completely dominating 0.0 due to their know-how?
Which is what happened in the China cluster (erm... Serenity??) TQ players went there, spammed POS's and basically took over most of 0.0 for quite a while (Anchoring L1 vs training time for a Dread to pop the thing).
Saying that, I think there is some merit in the "Space is big, really big" argument; even in the high sec mission/trade hubs most of the space in the solar system is wasted. I can't see it being 'better' in low sec/0.0 in that respect... now how to go about shoving content/features in to this wasted space is a matter of some debate.
Hell I'm all for some limited forms of non-private dynamically spawning instances in EVE; operative word being non-private.
And no. The carebear contingent do not want multi-sharded EVE:O. Do you have any freaking idea how much juggling it'd make to do trade runs if you had to factor in which sodding server to aim for? Just... no.
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Estel Arador
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Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:31:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43
just a comparison here
WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years)
EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time
ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand.
You know how bad EVE is doing? Apart from WOW, it's the only MMORPG from that era which is still growing.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:35:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:35:11
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43
just a comparison here
WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years)
EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time
ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand.
You know how bad EVE is doing? Apart from WOW, it's the only MMORPG from that era which is still growing.
At snails pace...awesome.
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Camaria
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:36:00 -
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Queen, you really don't get it... You and (hopefully) your couple of dosens of friends will still be facing thousands of AAA, BOB, Goons, Dronerussians, NC, etc in the new instance. It's the powerblocks that will organise the blitzing of the new instance, gatecamping the access points to lucrative areas with hundreds of noobships, etc
We are a one year old alliance, 200 or so members and we're grabbing controll of a decent chunk of low/null sec. Most members of the alliance are in the 2-4 month range. So it's perfectly possible to make an impact as a new player
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
At snails pace...awesome.
You claimed EVE wasn't growing but were proven wrong.
You claimed EVE wasn't doing too well but were proven wrong.
Is there anything else you'd like to claim or will you concede that your claims and indeed this entire thread are the product of your ignorance?
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nahtoh
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:39:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43
just a comparison here
WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years)
EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time
ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand.
Its not wow, its not supposed to be wow. So sod off bsack to wow or just FOAD...
Its a Niche single server game...Don't like that part of it? don't play it. Its that fecking simple...now WoW is not my type of game...I am not on teh wow forums whinning at blizzaed to change that game to make more my taste.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
At snails pace...awesome.
You claimed EVE wasn't growing but were proven wrong.
You claimed EVE wasn't doing too well but were proven wrong.
Is there anything else you'd like to claim or will you concede that your claims and indeed this entire thread are the product of your ignorance?
its not doing well, how is it doing well? If i spent all the time advertising etc etc and only got 250,000 users over 5 years i would be dissapointed, i never said it wasnt growing, just not very much, get your facts right before the flame...
and 11.5 million is a massive difference to 250-300,000 massive...so whos doing it wrong? who? cos its certainly not blizzard..
Its obvious that eve is just full of pompus head in sand people, who just wont adapt or listen to anything..so bookmark this page cos when eve is still nothing in 5 years ill bump the thread and say i told you so..over and out nothing more to say on this subject.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43
just a comparison here
WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years)
EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time
ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand.
Its not wow, its not supposed to be wow. So sod off bsack to wow or just FOAD...
Its a Niche single server game...Don't like that part of it? don't play it. Its that fecking simple...now WoW is not my type of game...I am not on teh wow forums whinning at blizzaed to change that game to make more my taste.
hit a nerve there did? lol typical go back to wow...awww diddums...baby want to a hankie...boohoo....i dont play wow actually...
and now blizzard have listen and changed the game hence 11.5million users...i think your a little outnumbered....
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:45:00 -
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Sorry everybody, but the OP deserves a standing ovation.
VERY VERY GOOD troll, it sucked in so many people and it was very believable until some of the last messages.
9/10.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:46:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Space Wanderer
Sorry everybody, but the OP deserves a standing ovation.
VERY VERY GOOD troll, it sucked in so many people and it was very believable until some of the last messages.
9/10.
thats an amazing post and contribution there many thanks..your parent must be proud of you...
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Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:48:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Its obvious that eve is just full of pompus head in sand people, who just wont adapt or listen to anything..so bookmark this page cos when eve is still nothing in 5 years ill bump the thread and say i told you so..over and out nothing more to say on this subject.
Thanks God for 90 day anti-necromancy locks . Also I'm happy you have enough faith in EVE it will be here in 5 years. Despite how terrible the game is compared to WoW. Makes warm feeling inside me. |
Estel Arador
Minmatar
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:49:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
its not doing well, how is it doing well?
It's doing well because it's doing better than all other MMORPGs, with the exception of WOW.
No MMORPG has maintained the growth as long as EVE has, in fact most have a huge spike at first and then drop slowly. EVE is unique in that regard.
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
and 11.5 million is a massive difference to 250-300,000 massive...so whos doing it wrong? who? cos its certainly not blizzard..
Blizzard is doing fine, but they're building on an established series and have quite a good brand. Also if you do your research you might find they do a tad more in advertising and marketing than EVE
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Its obvious that eve is just full of pompus head in sand people, who just wont adapt or listen to anything..
It seems to me the other MMORPGs should adapt to EVEs concept, because they're losing subscriptions while EVE is gaining them |
Xen Mind
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:49:00 -
[150]
Ohhh gawddd not this **** again
okay okay listen up CCP have stated several times that they would rather close the company than sharding it
This was exactly what killed SWG ........... and any other fail game, can anybody say War or AOC ? |
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
its not doing well, how is it doing well?
It's doing well because it's doing better than all other MMORPGs, with the exception of WOW.
No MMORPG has maintained the growth as long as EVE has, in fact most have a huge spike at first and then drop slowly. EVE is unique in that regard.
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
and 11.5 million is a massive difference to 250-300,000 massive...so whos doing it wrong? who? cos its certainly not blizzard..
Blizzard is doing fine, but they're building on an established series and have quite a good brand. Also if you do your research you might find they do a tad more in advertising and marketing than EVE
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Its obvious that eve is just full of pompus head in sand people, who just wont adapt or listen to anything..
It seems to me the other MMORPGs should adapt to EVEs concept, because they're losing subscriptions while EVE is gaining them
a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures. |
Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:51:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Xen Mind
Ohhh gawddd not this **** again
okay okay listen up CCP have stated several times that they would rather close the company than sharding it
This was exactly what killed SWG ........... and any other fail game, can anybody say War or AOC ?
lol what killed SWG was it was CRAP full stop...nothing more... |
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Space Wanderer on 25/05/2009 14:54:29
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
thats an amazing post and contribution there many thanks..your parent must be proud of you...
*shakes head*
Now you are getting too obvious. I realize that maintaining a troll going for so long is difficult, but it is my opinion that you should know when to NOT answer to keep a good troll going. This is only attracting attention on my "this is a troll" message. I am tempted to lower the score to 8/10, but 5 pages are still 5 pages (edit: now 6 actually). Good going. |
Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:54:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures.
You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing. |
Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:57:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures.
You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing.
not really i bet there is a damn lot unsubbing as well.. |
Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:01:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures.
You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing.
not really i bet there is a damn lot unsubbing as well..
Ya rly. I bet there are even more people unsubbing from WoW. Apparently WoW is even greater fail.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:03:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
a bet they are losing just as many also...be nice to see those figures.
You fail at math. Number of active subscriptions is constantly rising. That means they have to get more subscriptions then they are losing.
not really i bet there is a damn lot unsubbing as well..
Ya rly. I bet there are even more people unsubbing from WoW. Apparently WoW is even greater fail.
i think we have already proved its not....11.5 million users in the same time of eves 250,000 hmmmm...again enough said on that before you look really silly....
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
eves 250,000
+50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:09:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
eves 250,000
+50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing.
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:14:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 25/05/2009 10:54:16
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Enough with the bull**** predictions (You don't know).
Enough with the EVE is EVE because its single server (Its not single server anymore).
You're refering to the china cluster?
Yes to the chinese server. Its not only available in China, you can play it from Australia without too much trouble. I imagine the same with the rest of the world too.
Quote:
You're seriously contending that giving EvE to EA or SoE would improve EvE?
They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer.
Yes of course, EA's noble record of fixing bugs in their games gives you this confidence. And by "fixing bugs" I mean "releasing 'EvE 2010' and by "confidence" I mean 'the chance to pay an extra $49.99 every year for those bug fixes'." |
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Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 25/05/2009 15:15:25
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
eves 250,000
+50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing.
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
So you argument being that because EvE is more successful than every sharded game except one, it must shard or die?
Hahaha... no seriously, we're quite well aware that you're just not up to the challenge of competing on the same turf as everyone else - in your own opinion. |
Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:17:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction". |
Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:18:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 25/05/2009 15:15:25
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
eves 250,000
+50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing.
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
So you argument being that because EvE is more successful than every sharded game except one, it must shard or die?
Hahaha... no seriously, we're quite well aware that you're just not up to the challenge of competing on the same turf as everyone else - in your own opinion.
shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial..
not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it... |
Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:20:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction".
they failed cos they werent very good games..thats why, nothing to do with the infrastructure... |
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:21:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
Current path growth, albeit slow. Recent release of box and advertising boosted it a bit again.
Your idea, 2nd server with fresh start, unknown. Majority consensus in this thread, partly based on observations of events on china server, death of EVE.
Lastly, historically (peak) users online is 1/5th of total subscribers, so 500k subs would give 100k online. |
Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:24:00 -
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your welcome to your opinions guys after all this was a discussion...we shall see what happens in a few years...i guess.. |
Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:25:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
Also what is wrong with growing very very very very slowly? (Though I don't consider 20% grow slow). Most of other MMOs are falling very very very very quickly. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:31:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial..
not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it...
So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing?
Got any evidence at all?
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Korrakas
Caldari
Legion of Ascension
Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:32:00 -
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I haz feling we woz all very trolled
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't have holidays.
I don't leave the forums unattended.
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:33:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Lumy
That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction".
they failed cos they werent very good games..thats why, nothing to do with the infrastructure...
They failed because neither their gameplay nor infrastructure was better than WoW. Infrastructure of EVE is pretty much it's selling point and probably the only advantage in this world of generic sharded (and not so massively) MMOs. I don't think EVE could compete with WoW as 5k people shard.
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Queen Ba'Ku
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:35:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial..
not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it...
So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing?
Got any evidence at all?
Oh cmon dude, eve is saturated now..powerblocs, napfests show me your blue list...i bet its huge (NC Pets are we). Be nice to see Initiative survive without it
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:36:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Lumy
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Lumy
That is really nice you care. But understand this: WoW is dominating market of sharded fantasy MMOs. Every single MMO that tried to be like WoW failed (or is failing) miserably. So what you call "to adapt" majority of playerbase and devs calls "to step wrong direction".
they failed cos they werent very good games..thats why, nothing to do with the infrastructure...
They failed because neither their gameplay nor infrastructure was better than WoW. Infrastructure of EVE is pretty much it's selling point and probably the only advantage in this world of generic sharded (and not so massively) MMOs. I don't think EVE could compete with WoW as 5k people shard.
Infrastructure its selling point? its terrible...what you think people have been complaining about for years...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:37:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial..
not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it...
So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing?
Got any evidence at all?
Oh cmon dude, eve is saturated now..powerblocs, napfests show me your blue list...i bet its huge (NC Pets are we). Be nice to see Initiative survive without it
Ooooh, well, I can see you know so much about INIT., I hardly dare speak.
Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
I AM BETTER THAN YOU
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:41:00 -
[174]
Classicly EVE online fanboism in this thread.
My favorite responses so far:
NO!!!11
EVE will DIEZ!
Trollz!!!
The sad part is that most of these responses are coming from adult men. Grown ups that cant put together a coherent sentence to come up with a reasonable explanation of why they FEAR losing their monopoly on uberness in a spacegame.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:41:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
shard or die? not die as such perhaps just not really go anywhere, the new subs will unsub just as quick, that im sure is not ccp business plan..you get new people for them to stay, not go after their trial..
not true as been involved in many wars/space taking etc..but thats your opinion your entitled to it...
So, having seen 6 years of continuous growth, now being single-sharded will make eve stop growing?
Got any evidence at all?
Oh cmon dude, eve is saturated now..powerblocs, napfests show me your blue list...i bet its huge (NC Pets are we). Be nice to see Initiative survive without it
Ooooh, well, I can see you know so much about INIT., I hardly dare speak.
Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are.
I know enough...no blue list then?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:54:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are.
I know enough...no blue list then?
Shall we just cut to the chase where you admit you've lost the argument and are trying to make some kind of feeble ad-hominem ?
All spaceholding alliances have a blue list. INIT.'s is longer than I would prefer and shorter than you're assuming.
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Bandoral Morgenstern
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:13:00 -
[177]
WoW
-does not have a real economy
-almost no items are produced by players
-nobody can take your shinies
-nothing to conquer except a few sad excuses
-no player owned structures
-I win buttons
-unstable servers
But hey, at least you can be a pirate!!! You just have to kill several thousand NPCs to become a "bloodsail admiral"
WoW is great
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maya ibuki2
THORN Syndicate
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:15:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Ive played this game for years and seen how its been shaped so it isnt talking from a noob perspective...
ive bolded what i consider the important bits. having a large group of powerblocs is a good thing. for example. when i started eve (on a different char), there was bob, and the southern coalition, and a nascent and forming northern coalition. "the russians" (red alliance; those who would eventually lead xxxdeathxxx, -a-, solar and red overlord) where at the time fighting with everything they had in their very last system from their very last poses, so they didnt have a coalition. eve was at the time stagnating as there where only 2 real powerblocks, who where allied to eachother (or at the very least napped). by the time i got into 0.0 with oxide and dmc et. al. there was more space, and more alliances and coalitions fighting over it, with the addition of more space came the mad pact, and the birth of the redswarm federation, along with the full birthing of the nc and so on and so on. this proliferation of pwowers has resulted in teh fact that apart from at most 6 individual alliances (gs, bob, red, rawr, maybe a few others) that space has not had many stable owners for a very long time at all. not even these few historically major forces has gone completely unscathed, and their smaller hangars on or offshoots have either not faced the kind of threats these few have, or have fallen by the wayside and collapsed. in closely compacted flows of power maintaining control of those flows is difficult in the extreme, which explains why the coalitions are at this precise moment fighting over limited regions. once, for example, the querious war is concluded or finally grinds to a halt these coalitions will reset eachother, as that is how it has always gone and will always go in this game, friendships are only held for as long as they are useful.
and whilst your opinion may not be "noobish" im not entirely sure, with respect, that it is accurate either. power is volatile and results in change, the proliferation of inter-alliance pacts proves you wrong before anything else, for the simple fact that they are temporary in nature.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:25:00 -
[179]
Op - please post with your main so i can blow you up.
There is nothing wrong with 47000 people online, on 1 server, it makes EvE more fun. There are over 5000 systems plus 1000+ wormhole systems in game, any of those can be your personal territory. |
SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:36:00 -
[180]
I say make it 20000 systems and 5000 wh systems. Yes this means more hardware, so get it already ccp lol
Bigger the sandbox the harder it is to control...even if the powerblocs double in size it wont matter trying to police mass areas is difficult
Or give the powerblocs something else to do,make something new up so they concentrate their abilities on that.
nothing is written in stone, remember it started with nothing and is Eve we know today.
The hard part is CCP investing into to new hardware in a recession. |
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:40:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Yes, and you should be its only inhabitant.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:40:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Yes, and you should be its only inhabitant.
Oooh good solution, sir! |
Doomed Predator
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:42:00 -
[183]
Man,why do these topics always crop up every month. Apart from China there will be no more than 1 version of the EVE universe. |
Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:45:00 -
[184]
lol @ people thinking there is just 1 server.
There are 5000 servers, each system is like a different server. Thats why jumping to another system takes some seconds... and thats why Jita is slow and Perimeter is smooth.
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Usuotas
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:52:00 -
[185]
Server is a general term for game world. So if the time comes when there will be more eve "servers" i bet 1/3 of the people would leave... Having only 1 "server" sets eve from other games appart. So no, this will never be like WoW.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:57:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
lol @ people thinking there is just 1 server.
There are 5000 servers, each system is like a different server. Thats why jumping to another system takes some seconds... and thats why Jita is slow and Perimeter is smooth.
Tranquility is a single EVE server. Its hardware configuration is indeed a servercluster. And no, they don't have 5000 servers. They have somewhere between 300 to 500 blades active in TQ, I lost count. Most/all blades are multicore/cpu. Each core within a blade is a node. Only a handful of systems run on a dedicated node, jita is one of them.
In closing, if you're going to lol at someone, get your facts right.
Disclaimer: the above is a real short and incomplete summary of TQ hardware/functioning.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Nasirr
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Posted - 2009.05.25 20:00:00 -
[187]
Either way, quite a bit of people feel the same as Queen does. They are not the board warriors majority either. I would be all for another shard, and im sure the new players would as well. Time in this game is power and something that can never be gained in the current state of TQ.
Hopefully CCP will remedy this somehow with either a new shard or something that entices the newer players to stay. If not quite a few will be leaving soon when a few said new sci-fi games come out.
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Ronha Ottrit
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.25 20:55:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Nasirr
Either way, quite a bit of people feel the same as Queen does. They are not the board warriors majority either. I would be all for another shard, and im sure the new players would as well. Time in this game is power and something that can never be gained in the current state of TQ.
Hopefully CCP will remedy this somehow with either a new shard or something that entices the newer players to stay. If not quite a few will be leaving soon when a few said new sci-fi games come out.
Being pioneers and equal opportunities outweigh what we have here.
This is 100% false bullcrap.
You don't start wow in top tier set. You might not ever get it. most people never earn top arena gear. Eq2 doesn't start you at max level or gear. You earn it.
Eve skills are forgiving, most people have around 30mil to 40mil sp on the server. You can also legitly buy higher sp chars with ingame money. Can't do that anywhere else. Also if you specialize you cap out eventually. The only reward in eve for time is wealth, experience in a profession ie pvp or building, and the ability for one char to fly multiple things well. Once core skills are out of the way
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Johan Sabbat
R.E.C.O.N.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 20:58:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Nasirr
Either way, quite a bit of people feel the same as Queen does. They are not the board warriors majority either. I would be all for another shard, and im sure the new players would as well. Time in this game is power and something that can never be gained in the current state of TQ.
Hopefully CCP will remedy this somehow with either a new shard or something that entices the newer players to stay. If not quite a few will be leaving soon when a few said new sci-fi games come out.
Being pioneers and equal opportunities outweigh what we have here.
I just wonder how you would be a pioneer if you already know how to do things?
You are just asking for virgin land where you start at a significant advantage.
Rumour has it that blizzard doing a sci-fi mmorpg, maybe that would be what you're looking for?
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Apotamkin
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Posted - 2009.05.25 23:20:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN
I agree.
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Solj RichPopolous
Amarr
Eve Liberation Force
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:01:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Solj RichPopolous on 26/05/2009 10:06:06
Edited by: Solj RichPopolous on 26/05/2009 10:04:37
Quote:
So, what would be the point in playing for that period of time other than to lose everything you've worked for? The better solution would be to find out what causes the stagnation, and then work towards solving that. One of the major appeals of EVE is that it is one major server for everyone.
Easy way to solve the stagnation of alliances claiming everything around them problem. Make it skill based.
Corporate Infrastructure Rank 22
+3 Allowed Sov Systems Corporation can hold per level. CEO skill
Alliance Infrastructure Rank 28
+18-30 Allowed Sov Systems for Alliance as a whole. CEO skill for executor corp.
Space becomes more consolidated. And no longer can any one entity hold giant chunks of space anymore. Systems sov claimed become more strategic and are actually used by the alliance instead of just being claimed just because they are there. Because there is a limit to how much can be held.
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Jan Deltord
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:14:00 -
[192]
Solj,
Still wont work, as Alliances are defined by shared blue lists, intel channels, vent servers and fleet structures, not by being a formal CCP-defined alliance of corps.
Whether you call them minor allies, pets, renters or partners, they still all have the capability of acting as coherently as a formal CCP-defined alliance of corps.
PS IRC is doing just this right now - they've invited a bunch of smaller players to live in Etherium Reach, but not to be formally part of the IRC alliance. Once the teething problems of blues with neightbours get sorted out, it all should work well
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Demos Mast
Gallente
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:19:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Ms Delerium
lol @ people thinking there is just 1 server.
There are 5000 servers, each system is like a different server. Thats why jumping to another system takes some seconds... and thats why Jita is slow and Perimeter is smooth.
Ahhhh man its like...You try so damn hard to sound intelligent, but everyone just knows your saying "THATS NOT A FOREST, ITS JUST A BUNCHA TREES!"
Why do people make posts like this?
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Valrandir
Guiding Hand Social Club
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:57:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 24/05/2009 21:49:46
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Reason :
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
Is it time to now give all the up and coming newer players/alliances etc the same chance 4/5/6 year old players had? To be able to build a new universe from scratch, the pave new horizons, alliances etc without out the constraints of the current situation? Me i think so...be interesting to know what people think...of course keep the current instance also lol, i dont mean remove the current one, just create a new separate one.
POST WITH YOUR MAIN
no
I thought that after this many pages, I'll add something.
This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware. |
Caelum Mortuos
Gallente
Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.05.26 11:52:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Question : Is it time CCP created a new instance of eve universe (like Wow etc)
Yes, and you should be its only inhabitant.
Oooh good solution, sir!
Thirding this!
Also, EVE IS DYING! Unless we get 10 million subscribers by next year and then overtake WoW it's all over guys 
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.26 11:55:00 -
[196]
OP, help the population decrease a bit and GTFO.
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Diehard Si
UK1 Zero
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:19:00 -
[197]
To be fair just reset the current server!
Solves all the problems that have occured like T2 bpo's handed out to a few, reaction exploiters making trillions. at the same time just re-invent the whole pos thing and sov space, cos my god its terrible.
Make everyone go back to having to work at just getting a BS let alone anything else. No 15 a-side titan battles where first to hit DD wins.
Isk sellers would be out of business, real life traders screwed.
It would be a shame to lose all those SP's etc, but my god it would be good fun again. I'm not saying i'd want this to happen, but i think it certainly would make the game a lot more fun again.
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Baron Aethon
Ostium Orci
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:42:00 -
[198]
No new server because they can't even run this one properly.
But what I would suggest to limit power blocs and make the game fun again is:
1) remove jump-bridges; with capitals and titans the game is already too easy to get around anyways
2) Remove reinforcement of towers, pure destruction only. You can even buff the towers hp a bit, but no reinforced.
3) Move ice out of high sec, make the powerblocs work to fuel their pos, reduce macro miners, and increase ice mining profits to make it a viable profession.
4) Eliminate 0.0 Local. Make those alliances actually search for those roaming in their space, then maybe they wouldnt want to control half the map with only 3000 members.
Call me crazy if you want, but those 4 changes would make controlling large parts of 0.0 almost impossible and open warfare up to lots of smaller corps and alliances.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:56:00 -
[199]
No it isn't .
and to the op , post with your main ;-)
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.05.26 13:00:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Ronha Ottrit
Originally by: Nasirr
Either way, quite a bit of people feel the same as Queen does. They are not the board warriors majority either. I would be all for another shard, and im sure the new players would as well. Time in this game is power and something that can never be gained in the current state of TQ.
Hopefully CCP will remedy this somehow with either a new shard or something that entices the newer players to stay. If not quite a few will be leaving soon when a few said new sci-fi games come out.
Being pioneers and equal opportunities outweigh what we have here.
This is 100% false bullcrap.
You don't start wow in top tier set. You might not ever get it. most people never earn top arena gear. Eq2 doesn't start you at max level or gear. You earn it.
No, but I started WoW when it came out and I am in almost 100% the bets gear for my Shaman and always have been since back in the Molten Core days. In Eve, I will never be as strong as a 100m SP character nor have as much ISK as someone who started years before me.
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Nir Draturiss
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.05.26 13:09:00 -
[201]
Making a new instance/shard is a pointless effort simply because the instance will simply end up with the exact SAME fate as the current server. It will be nice and dandy at first but once the power blocs are formed and increased in size, they will find themselves in the same situation as the Tranquility server.
Fact of the matter is : is the current situation a problem in the first place or is it working as CCP intended anyway?
So the OP suggestion, while honest, is redundant and futile since it will only doubles CCP's problems and not solve anything whatsoever.
My Actions. my Sacrifices. my Life and my Death...are only for You, my God...my Eternal
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Arrs Grazznic
Pawn Sauce
Unlimited Horizons
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Posted - 2009.05.26 13:21:00 -
[202]
Didn't read the 7 pages of this thread, but it wouldn't change my answer.
No, it is not time for a new instance.
Cheers,
Arrs
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.26 13:25:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
Didn't read the 7 pages of this thread, but it wouldn't change my answer.
Please do its rather entertaining.
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Nur Vadenn
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.05.26 14:01:00 -
[204]
Its a shame this idea was brought up by this particular OP. The idea has some merit, but was poorly represented here.
While I agree with the majority of posters here that a second shard may be premature, I do think a significant expansion of systems and resources is in order for Tranquility. A major addition of empire high-sec, low-sec, and NPC 0.0 would provide much needed breathing room to a steadily increasing population. An increase in systems would also improve the opportunities that new players have to be trail blazers and/or create groups of their own whom might later mature to challenge the already established corporations or alliances out there.
For even me, a relatively new player, just a year ago the universe seemed larger and less cramped. Sections of space that were once empty are not anymore. Resources seem to be more scarce, and rather than the conflict one would expect this would create the shortages seem to be more powerful in disinteresting people rather than pushing them to fight over the resources.
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Trhendor
Amarr
Hikage Corporation
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.05.26 14:13:00 -
[205]
No, i like EVE because there is only universe for everyone, a game, a universe, a common environment for EVERYONE
Systems aren't crowder and 0.0 isn't saturated, CCP just have to make better server and everyone will be fine.
Old players? As far as i know, every new player can, with the right effort, can conquist and keep a place in 0.0, with the right effort and cooperation skill
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity
Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 15:01:00 -
[206]
Meh, there's enough room on the server. There's just too many people in highsec, and even then they're just not spread out enough. Some more highsec might help, but it would only be a matter of time before the same problem resurfaced. No, I think the only proper solution is to make a "Carebear world" where pvp is optional. Let the "dreaded" carebears carebear it out on a separate server.
Make it so that you can move your current character TO the "carebearland" server, but NOT BACK to tranquility. No more whining on the forums, no more complaining that carebears have it too good, probably no more need for concord, or highsec for that matter. No more carebears ruining the economy, no more overcorwded highsec.
Just my 2pence
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.26 15:01:00 -
[207]
IF they ever add more instances, I think they should be time zone based. IE: a Russian server, a EU server, etc.
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Hellsanne
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.26 15:27:00 -
[208]
ehm, because of this is eve what it is, great, because all players are always on one server, one instance, one "world/space", you just cant take wow and compare it to eve, they have only one thing same, they are mmorpg, then everything is different, same also for playerbase, dont want to change game because you have problems playing it like it is, then dont play it |
RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.05.26 15:31:00 -
[209]
to the OP
No, no, no and no
don't you get it?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 16:02:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
IF they ever add more instances, I think they should be time zone based. IE: a Russian server, a EU server, etc.
Yeah can see how that would be convenient for ED right now...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 16:03:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Fille Balle
Meh, there's enough room on the server. There's just too many people in highsec, and even then they're just not spread out enough. Some more highsec might help, but it would only be a matter of time before the same problem resurfaced. No, I think the only proper solution is to make a "Carebear world" where pvp is optional. Let the "dreaded" carebears carebear it out on a separate server.
Make it so that you can move your current character TO the "carebearland" server, but NOT BACK to tranquility. No more whining on the forums, no more complaining that carebears have it too good, probably no more need for concord, or highsec for that matter. No more carebears ruining the economy, no more overcorwded highsec.
Just my 2pence
Heh.
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badbush
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Posted - 2009.05.26 16:59:00 -
[212]
The game is how it is. You can draw parallels to the real world, as far as powerblocs" etc go.
All I hear is "it's not fair, I want sov but someone got there first".
The alliances who hold sov in big tracts of space have had to work hard, forge alliances with other players and all that ****, and kinda deserve their bit of space,. whuich they then have to work even harder to protect. It's fundamental to how the game works. It wouldn't be Eve otherwise, it'd be Space-WoW. Which would be sucky, don't you think? Ooh, a level 90 space paladin shaman thing....
The same thing would quickly happen again if there was a new instance of Eve, and again and again ad infinitum; so best bet is to suck it up and play the game as it is.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:32:00 -
[213]
The "power bloc" thing would not spread to a second server IF and only IF it were a "no-clone" server.
Getting killed, when you are in a larg corp with clone vats, fitted ships lined up, etc, is not as expensive as some people like to take pride in. Often the gankers and griefers have everything to gain with little or nothing to lose. The victims have everything to lose except a long ride back to the vat.
You wanna put the money where the mouth is, a no-clone server is where you can swing your big brass pairs around and actually have a right to talk smack about how "tough" the game is.
If you have a corp that wants to use force to get what it wants, and lets say a third of them die in that philosophy, that's one third less force in that corp and thus less of them means less power. To maintain a KOS policy for power, griefing, etc, means a chance you lose people everyday and lose as in "they get popped, they are back next day in a noob ship.
I would invite all those who master only the game mechanics to petition for, and join, a no-clone server and prove how leet they are. Then and only then will you see space be as expansive as it should be, and EVE will stop looking like a sci-fi version of Guild Wars where the only way to survive is to be in a powerful group from the start.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Baron Aethon
No new server because they can't even run this one properly.
But what I would suggest to limit power blocs and make the game fun again is:
1) remove jump-bridges; with capitals and titans the game is already too easy to get around anyways
2) Remove reinforcement of towers, pure destruction only. You can even buff the towers hp a bit, but no reinforced.
3) Move ice out of high sec, make the powerblocs work to fuel their pos, reduce macro miners, and increase ice mining profits to make it a viable profession.
4) Eliminate 0.0 Local. Make those alliances actually search for those roaming in their space, then maybe they wouldnt want to control half the map with only 3000 members.
Call me crazy if you want, but those 4 changes would make controlling large parts of 0.0 almost impossible and open warfare up to lots of smaller corps and alliances.
I am fairly new to the game (8 months) and as such do not play in low sec much less 0.0. I would have to totally agree about number 4 of your list. Making 0.0 anonymous (no local) should be a no-brainer. Maybe even make it so that you are not in local unless you broadcast to it.
I'm not familiar with jumping without using the exstablished gates but I would like to be able to enter a system not through a choke point. I guess the new wormholes are somewhat like this?
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Koryvarn
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:05:00 -
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What CCP should do is shard within the current world. Imagine a new pocket of space being discovered within EVE. Colonists from the 4 empires head out there, as do pirate factions.
This pocket of space is totally and utterly cut off from the rest of EVE. They can then do storylines to connect the space to regular space.
Start off with 5 regions, one for each empire, and a single NPC 0.0 region. The NPC region would be of similar character as Syndicate. Non pirate controlled, with empire corps station present, as well as better than empire rats.
6-9 months down the line, a link between the new pocket and old space is discovered. Maybe through wormholes first, then a few weeks later by gates.
For that period, EVE would have been sharded, new players would have played with other new players, and hopefully some pvp experience would have been had without titans and capitals. The two shards merge, the shardees can join the rest of the world, and eve gains some more 0.0 NPC space that isn't likely to be occupied by the large power blocks. Those who want to repeat the original* eve experience can. The rest can get on with their life.
*No mining bug. Woohoo.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:07:00 -
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As a comment, CCPÆs next big goal is a system designed for a million connections to "world".
"The goal for the new game is a million players." "One world promise." û CCP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/CaseStudyDetails.mspx?recid=250
As a question to poster, though IÆm 8 pages deep: What would you do given an entirely new (meaning all players at 0 SP) universe? Would you create the next BOB, control Branch, what prevents you today? Power is taken with much greater effort than it is accepted.
When the real world gets competitive, itÆs sink or swim. Pod or be podded, not directly trying to compare RL with MMOÆs. But a ôresetö or blank universe wouldnÆt do justice to what EVE is about. EVE is make your way or get out of the way, and not ôplease, can I have some moreö.
The EVE universe creates a unique drama, even if it is imaginary or perceived. Like reading a book, you want to be absorbed into the world and experience. The players of EVE, whether they are whiners, winners, losers or leaders all contribute to the drama (story) that makes this place interesting.
CCP has created an amazing environment for us to explore, learn, control.
Alliances rise/fall, and 40 million skill points is averaged out against organized groups, clever pilots, and human error.
For me, I would be interested in a brand new game perhaps like EVE Online 2, but not EVE Shard 2à the newness would wear off, and I would be in a universe with a split population. I would also (just for example) have to face ridiculous prices for T2 gear, which over time would be impacted (supply/demand) for both shards since the industrialists would be divided as well. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The "power bloc" thing would not spread to a second server IF and only IF it were a "no-clone" server.
Getting killed, when you are in a larg corp with clone vats, fitted ships lined up, etc, is not as expensive as some people like to take pride in. Often the gankers and griefers have everything to gain with little or nothing to lose. The victims have everything to lose except a long ride back to the vat.
You wanna put the money where the mouth is, a no-clone server is where you can swing your big brass pairs around and actually have a right to talk smack about how "tough" the game is.
If you have a corp that wants to use force to get what it wants, and lets say a third of them die in that philosophy, that's one third less force in that corp and thus less of them means less power. To maintain a KOS policy for power, griefing, etc, means a chance you lose people everyday and lose as in "they get popped, they are back next day in a noob ship.
I would invite all those who master only the game mechanics to petition for, and join, a no-clone server and prove how leet they are. Then and only then will you see space be as expansive as it should be, and EVE will stop looking like a sci-fi version of Guild Wars where the only way to survive is to be in a powerful group from the start.
How exactly would that help? Those who survive the initial chaos would form powerblocks, that would be high impossible to remove. They would have SP, ship and numbers advantage over any newcomers. It is also likely, that they would take precautions to protect that advantage. Huge blobs of ships wiping all competition from existance and non-aggression pacts between all major powerblocks. The number of fair fights would be limited to the idiots who don't know or care what happens when they get podded. Everyone else would take massive precautions against pod loss or spend most of their game time training to fly T1 frigates again and again.
Only way to survive would be to join a powerful group from the start or stay in highsec forever. Even then people would propably try to pod random players for lolz, so solo players or carebears don't need to apply. It might be interesting, especially in the initial stages, but it would not solve the issues you seem to have with EVE.
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Immogen Valdice
Gallente
Zenislev Contingent
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
No ..you wouldnt lose it mate..you misunderstood...you would create a NEW SEPARATE instance and keep the others...I dont think your getting my point...
There are too many major powerblocs that control eve, making it bigger will just make these powerblocs bigger becuase they will just take the new regions that get created..people should have a fair chance to succeed in eve and they havent..
Ive played this game for years and seen how its been shaped so it isnt talking from a noob perspective...
The thing with powerblocks is they tend to stagnate with time
Then they collaspse
Then new groups then move into the newly opened up space
The other limitation with controlling massive blocks of space is logistics & manpower
1 single server is more than sufficient tyvm.. leave the sheep to thier multi-server instanced game mechanics.
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Ferdio Ricotez
Gallente
Killer Carebears
United Interstellar Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:42:00 -
[219]
Create a second EVE-instance? No! The whole charming aspect of this game is the single universe aspect! Everything that happens in Tranquillity, truly happens. If a Titan gets destroyed, it is a big news item. Alliances holding certain space truly hold that space; it's not like another alliance holds those systems in another server.
I say, improve the ways one can take over sovereignty, or simply add more systems to Known Space.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.05.26 18:42:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Wish I could say the same about your corp, whoever they are.
I know enough...no blue list then?
Shall we just cut to the chase where you admit you've lost the argument and are trying to make some kind of feeble ad-hominem ?
All spaceholding alliances have a blue list. INIT.'s is longer than I would prefer and shorter than you're assuming.
Be real bros brah, our blue list is ****ing empty.
Actually we have one little corp, some newbie PVPers who we like to help. Everyone else is set to red. 
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.26 19:03:00 -
[221]
If they did it would kinda kill one of their big selling points.
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Papa Mojo
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Posted - 2009.05.26 19:45:00 -
[222]
Wow, this thread inspired me to my first post. I'm a two month old, less then 3 million SP newbie, in a corp that has less then 7 active members, and who has rarely gone out into 0.0 or low-sec. I say NO!
The allure to me is that in a year or two time, I might be in a big enough corp to get a shot at some of those spaces. Will it be easy? Nope. Will I succeed? Maybe, maybe not. But, I want to have a shot at messin with Goon or BoB. I want to be a part of the ongoing history of a persistent world. Maybe get podded by a five year old vet who everyone knows and hates. Instances make mini-stories for the residents of that shard only. Eve events become a part of a larger history. Making Eve multi-instance would ruin that.
Just like I can't become a mayor of a small city in the US in a day, taking space in Eve isn't easy either. If it was, this wouldn't be Eve, and it wouldn't have the same allure to a lot of us.
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Devine13
Nomad LLP
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Posted - 2009.05.26 19:56:00 -
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lolnub go play on Singularity if you want empty systems..
Or go into a Wormhole.. you can usually find one of those that is inhabited.
Answer to thread topic:
NO.
Just no.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:00:00 -
[224]
How does I sage thread?
srsly, -34573485734895734895/10.
BECAUSE OF FALCON.
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:21:00 -
[225]
Just wanted to add my
NO!
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Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:40:00 -
[226]
I actually hate you for posting this thread. Real, honest hate.
Goes against one of the main plus points for playing EVE. I actually cannot beleive this post has 8 pages of replies.
GTFO NOW!
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:48:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Wacktopia
I actually hate you for posting this thread. Real, honest hate.
Goes against one of the main plus points for playing EVE. I actually cannot beleive this post has 8 pages of replies.
GTFO NOW!
you need to get help for that seriously - see a doctor - take anger management - really thats such a sad comment grow up...if you cant contribute constructively f*ck off...simple as...that goes for everyone else...its a discussion, if you read my initial post it says 'Is it time for a new eve instance?' yeah see that question mark at the end..its called a question..i stated my reasons and then the topic was open.
Waht i dont expect is a bunch of whining little children (and no adult would post half the crap that people have_ who cant hold a adult conversation..
Dont touch eve dont do this, dont do that just like your stamping your feet like teenagers (think of Kevin the teenager)...either contribute politely or dont contribute at all...
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:51:00 -
[228]
This is why all WoW players should be banned from EVE.
Or maybe an IQ test on registration, you have to score at least average?
Might keep out ISK spammers too...
BECAUSE OF FALCON.
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Jhared Skyfire
Gallente
The Environmental Management Team
Knights Collective
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:57:00 -
[229]
I will say this - I started playing EVE in February of this year, and the biggest reason I'm attracted to EVE is the single world concept. This game must remain a single world - sharding would destroy much of the excitement.
I live in hisec and will possibly be looking to move to 0.0 sometime in the future - no matter what is said about current powerblocs, EVE is not static. Anything can happen. That includes carebears from hisec carving out territory in 0.0, all it takes is patience.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.26 20:58:00 -
[230]
I do get very annoyed when I can have perfectly smooth and good running fights on singularity with 20 other people, yet there doesn't seem to be a place on Tranquility I can do the same in faction war without having to logout from the lagging and desyncing.
I still wouldn't want another server though.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.05.26 21:05:00 -
[231]
new Shard ? No .
But i would like to see resseting this one and removing hi sec .Will never happen tough 
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 21:19:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 26/05/2009 21:20:15
well if your happy with
1) Be pets/renters of either NC, Goons or Bob? Cos if you want to break into sov holding 0.0 you will have to be. Otherwise youll be crushed.
2) There are soooo many corps and alliances now that well recruitment is difficult, so what you gonna do?
3)Be happy that if ccp did add more space then the only people that will get it is the big powerlocs?
then fair enough - me however am not, i want to succeed in this game too...but not be having to kiss ass..to alliances that had a better chance to creating what they have...
Yes it was hard work not saying that..but they had like 2000 players online lol, not 50000 like now..
so HOW do new people get on...the powerblocs are sooo established they cant..(im not new just thinking of the strategic plan of eve)
but if your happy how eve is then hey thats great, just cos im not doesnt mean im wrong either or anyone else who agrees with me...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 21:39:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 26/05/2009 21:20:15
well if your happy with
1) Be pets/renters of either NC, Goons or Bob? Cos if you want to break into sov holding 0.0 you will have to be. Otherwise youll be crushed.
Provably false.
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Queen Ba'Ku
Retribution.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:07:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 26/05/2009 21:20:15
well if your happy with
1) Be pets/renters of either NC, Goons or Bob? Cos if you want to break into sov holding 0.0 you will have to be. Otherwise youll be crushed.
Provably false.
Ok would Initiative be prepared to test this theory? You guys hold sov...so reset all your blues & NC and lets see what happens..
If you do this and you survive with your space then i promise I will quit eve..seriously
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:10:00 -
[235]
op was bored again... 
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A Pacifist
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:29:00 -
[236]
I have theory this is why they introduced W-space.
They might stabilize WHs, perhaps we'll see NPC factions move in and set up stations, sleeper activity will subside, perhaps finding their way into New Eden as well, and then one day.. BAM! Just like the backstory of the founding of New Eden.. Humanity finds a wormhole, uses it to travel and prosper, then gets stranded from the mother civilization when it collapses permanently.
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ollobrains
Caldari State Inc.
People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:36:00 -
[237]
Actaully Read the dev blogs to those calling for new instances
Heres how it works
CCP can add more nodes and scale up as they go
Dev blog before the wormhole patch states in future there are 3 more ancient races and they can add 2500 new solar systems for each all up thats 7500 new womrhole systems with differing types of ancient factions probably more future tech 3 ships ammo modules etc
Drone regions were added, black rise was added as player numbers expanded.
Those high sec low sec or 00 regions and womrhole systems can be expanded ad infinum the game is scaleable with minimal impact on performance and ccp tweak all the time
What we need is more ime limited wormholes 4-6 hours and 300m-500m mass ive brought this up with some of the CSM candidates this would aid ninja industry ratting and small gang pvp.
Plus more direct high sec - high sec hs-ls hs-00 , 00-ls womrholes to move traffic around more
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.26 22:41:00 -
[238]
For the people attacking space it requires dedication, it has taken my alliance almost 2 weeks+ wihth op to take down towers ect, to insure the residents are culled off and as much destruction as possible on the previous owners.
every alliance who has sov has had to go through this and you want to reset it so that you in your crappy 10 man corp can have a free ride,
HOW ABOUT STFU
you get what you work for and well if you dont have the balls to go out and get something why should the game mummy you to get it for you.
everyone in my alliance has worked hard with late night pos op's to tear pos's down. we finally have sov and it was all worth it to call a place home.
Why do you DESERVE SOV
WHAT have you DONE for you to be given sov?
the people who are saying ahh yeah we want sov for free crap want there head testing as you need to get off you a$$ and work at it ¼_¼ bloody lamers ¼_¼
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 07:00:00 -
[239]
I have a very strong feeling that even if the OP got his/her wishes and a new shard were opened, s/he wouldn't be able to hold a single system. Even if you got your fresh start, you'd still have to put in time to defend anything you claimed. And I just don't see you being able to do it.
That's not necessarily an insult, btw. Most people can't put in the time to defend their space 23/7, but those who don't even bother to try don't deserve the space to begin with.
But I have the feeling that the OP would expect to secure some area of space and never bother with working to defend it. Thus s/he'd be no better than the power blocs of today (as far as s/he's concerned).
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 07:19:00 -
[240]
Originally by: badbush
The game is how it is. You can draw parallels to the real world, as far as powerblocs" etc go.
All I hear is "it's not fair, I want sov but someone got there first".
Yeah, pretty much this. As far as I am aware, virtually every single sov system belonged to some other entity before its current owners took it away from them. Certainly the huge majority, and definately all the decent space. This "Vets got free sov just for being first boo hoo it's all so unfair gief new server NAOW!!!" rubbish is simply wrong.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 09:38:00 -
[241]
Given her reply to one response, I can only say to the OP: Go forget yourself. Yeah, or something like that.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Anyura
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Posted - 2009.05.28 10:25:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Anyura on 28/05/2009 10:33:36
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer.
EA will cancel it to use the server hardware for The Sims Online 2 and SOE will throw out all the skills, kill the industry and market and make it quest and joystick based in 100 systems instead of 7500.
I hereby issue a restraining order preventing the Star-Wars-Galaxies-murdering-bastards otherwise known as SOE from coming within 50,000 miles of Iceland and 500,000 miles of any kind of CCP source code.
Originally by: Armoured C
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Newbie (<5 mil SP) seconds this statement. Eve doesnt cater for lazy people. I got from -4.95 Sansha's Nation standing to -1.65 by working my ass off on missions and learning to fly carefully in 0.0.
But let's look at the real reason here - the OP wants its corp to be a major player in 0.0 but as it lacks the *will* and *determination* to take people on, it would rather hop to a deserted little server shard and hope that it can get set up before someone big and nasty does.
It's a lot easier to rule a place when you're on a deserted island. Anything else takes effort.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.05.28 10:37:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: badbush
The game is how it is. You can draw parallels to the real world, as far as powerblocs" etc go.
All I hear is "it's not fair, I want sov but someone got there first".
Yeah, pretty much this. As far as I am aware, virtually every single sov system belonged to some other entity before its current owners took it away from them. Certainly the huge majority, and definately all the decent space. This "Vets got free sov just for being first boo hoo it's all so unfair gief new server NAOW!!!" rubbish is simply wrong.
And to imagine that valuable fresh space wouldn't immediately be claimed by the Big Boys is extraordinarily naive. Some people actually believed that minable moons in wormspace would have allowed "small corps" to get their ""fair" share" of moongoo, when it's obvious that the big powerblocs, being better organised and having more members and resources, would simply have got there first in most cases.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: baltec1
Or CCP can do what they always do and expand the current server. There are still large parts of space that are empty.
Trouble is there is nothing to stop the current powerblocs taking that..
And that's the basis of 0.0 conflict... the only real solution to your problem is to make all space high sec.
No.
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Wacktopia
Infinity Miners Union
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:22:00 -
[245]
It appears the swinging nerfbat caught my reply and your's to this thread (freedom of speach prolly doesnt apply here?). Its on eve-search but unfortunately the lack of capital letters and punctuation ruins your "lets all act like adults" point.
Anyway... Its a bad idea. The main reason is the "single persistent world" is one of CCPs main selling points and also one of the reasons why a people like EVE.
Creating multiple worlds or instances may ease load and create space but it also create the problem that users can "hop" worlds to avoid other players. For example: you find a gate camp and hop to another instance to get around it.
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Yue Rubens
Fnord Works
Event Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:33:00 -
[246]
No no no!
One-shard world it is, one-shard world it stays!
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2009.05.28 12:00:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Armoured C
For the people attacking space it requires dedication, it has taken my alliance almost 2 weeks+ wihth op to take down towers ect, to insure the residents are culled off and as much destruction as possible on the previous owners.
every alliance who has sov has had to go through this and you want to reset it so that you in your crappy 10 man corp can have a free ride,
HOW ABOUT STFU
you get what you work for and well if you dont have the balls to go out and get something why should the game mummy you to get it for you.
everyone in my alliance has worked hard with late night pos op's to tear pos's down. we finally have sov and it was all worth it to call a place home.
Why do you DESERVE SOV
WHAT have you DONE for you to be given sov?
the people who are saying ahh yeah we want sov for free crap want there head testing as you need to get off you a$$ and work at it ¼_¼ bloody lamers ¼_¼
Guess its something i need to now say...
Lol you really are a sad person, an absolute disgrace to your corp and alliance.
You guys snuck in the back door, against a pitiful alliance..
Oh and by the way check your history..GOODFELLAS ---> Taking Deklein..
so we did get off our arse and take a fecking great big region, and this insignificant corp did very well infact..yeah so what we are not as big anymore things change..but before you go spouting off check your history...what we achieved and what your insignificant alliance achieved is quite different...good bye...
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Navtiqes
Space Sheriff
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Posted - 2009.05.28 12:04:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
Originally by: Armoured C
For the people attacking space it requires dedication, it has taken my alliance almost 2 weeks+ wihth op to take down towers ect, to insure the residents are culled off and as much destruction as possible on the previous owners.
every alliance who has sov has had to go through this and you want to reset it so that you in your crappy 10 man corp can have a free ride,
HOW ABOUT STFU
you get what you work for and well if you dont have the balls to go out and get something why should the game mummy you to get it for you.
everyone in my alliance has worked hard with late night pos op's to tear pos's down. we finally have sov and it was all worth it to call a place home.
Why do you DESERVE SOV
WHAT have you DONE for you to be given sov?
the people who are saying ahh yeah we want sov for free crap want there head testing as you need to get off you a$$ and work at it ¼_¼ bloody lamers ¼_¼
Guess its something i need to now say...
Lol you really are a sad person, an absolute disgrace to your corp and alliance.
You guys snuck in the back door, against a pitiful alliance..
Oh and by the way check your history..GOODFELLAS ---> Taking Deklein..
so we did get off our arse and take a fecking great big region, and this insignificant corp did very well infact..yeah so what we are not as big anymore things change..but before you go spouting off check your history...what we achieved and what your insignificant alliance achieved is quite different...good bye...
You missed the whole point. It's not about deserving it, so save the Smack Fu, it's about trying in the first place, and the OP clearly wants everything for free.
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Serinao
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.28 12:20:00 -
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It's still possible now, just create an corp make it well organised to survive in 0.0
Join an powerblock with your corp.
Gain respect in that alliance so you get more influence.
After a while you can have enough influence to control said alliance.
Then you basicly own that part off space.
Powerblocks will always be here, no powerblock last forever though, well not in the form we are used to anyway.
Sovereignity has nothing to do with it, an small corp will always be outgunned by those with more guns.
And once you have more people sovereignity can be removed in days or weeks.
I remember close after beta on my first char i went to Stain with 6 friends.
after a while Stain Alliance said get out we thought hey npc stations what can they do?
well in came the blob and that was like 6 months into the game.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: badbush
The game is how it is. You can draw parallels to the real world, as far as powerblocs" etc go.
All I hear is "it's not fair, I want sov but someone got there first".
Yeah, pretty much this. As far as I am aware, virtually every single sov system belonged to some other entity before its current owners took it away from them. Certainly the huge majority, and definately all the decent space. This "Vets got free sov just for being first boo hoo it's all so unfair gief new server NAOW!!!" rubbish is simply wrong.
And to imagine that valuable fresh space wouldn't immediately be claimed by the Big Boys is extraordinarily naive. Some people actually believed that minable moons in wormspace would have allowed "small corps" to get their ""fair" share" of moongoo, when it's obvious that the big powerblocs, being better organised and having more members and resources, would simply have got there first in most cases.
Oh damb how did I forget W-space?
Yeah so it turns out that a full 1/3 of the systems are a free-for-all that can't be claimed by the powerblocks... so obviously we need a new server.
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Mindseamstress
Gallente
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:18:00 -
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No
Mindseamstress
Chief Executive Office
Jovian Labs
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Point of No Return
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:20:00 -
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You really want eve to be like wow?
Wow has elves running around in skimpy pants.
Wow has magical quests of magicness.
Wow has a backstory that makes no sense.
Wow has 8 million 9 year olds screaming in a microphone, daily.
Wow also has "epic battles" of said screaming 9 year olds in wheat fields.
You really want eve to be like that?
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Tentacle Monster
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:10:00 -
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A second server would likely end up in the same status quo, just with different names. Some players play 16 hours a day and will stop at nothing to get ahead by whatever means, and this will never change. Neither do the other types of players, for the most part, so you can't expect anything radically different beyond the first few months perhaps, and after that I'm pretty sure the two instances would look very much alike.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 28/05/2009 22:00:31
EVE is what it is because of it's single cluster filosophy, changing that would be a major change to the game.
Major changes to an mmorpg are generally not very well received, they generally break more then they fix/improve.
I can give you a few examples : CU and NGE for SWG, ToA and NF for DAoC, ...
Building and improving upon the foundations of the game has been the vision of CCP, and it has been very successful. It is the only mmorpg that can say they have still more then 20% increase in subs per year after running for 6 years and they are now the second biggest premium mmorpg in the west.
New "instances" as you call them ( they are actually called shards ) would not only be a major change, it is also a bad idea. The EVE universe feels alive, always full with people to play with, a great economy, nice politics, and most important of all, if you do something in EVE, it means something, because everyone is affected, even if it is only in a very tiny way. If you become notorious or famous, you will be known by the whole EVE Community, this counts for individuals, corps and alliances. If there would be many shards, then people would only know and be interested in what was going on on their own shard mostly.
Eve online is about building communities and inclusion, not segragation, you can also see this in their free expansion policy.
So to make a long story short, sharding EVE is a bad idea.
Ah what the hell, I'll just say it, go back to WoW n00b :p
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
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Prodigiosus Proditio
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont...
(like Wow etc)
you cant add those together in this forum and expect to walk out of here alive ?
no we should bloody instance the server
eve is eve it is that and nothing else
stop trying to adpot it with other game instruments.
please go pod yourself
so whats your reason behind that rather childish commment?
he's an absolute idiot, that's the reason for every one of his posts.
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Sofie palamor
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
but if your happy how eve is then hey thats great, just cos im not doesnt mean im wrong either or anyone else who agrees with me...
Actually you are wrong...
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Sythyss
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:52:00 -
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I haven't had the time to read through this whole thread, so most of what I'm about to say was probably already said, but I'm going to make a post anyways.
Sharding the server...will simply never happen. I'm sorry, but CCP will just never do it. The idea is utterly ridiculous, and only put forward by people who just want to claim some part of 0.0 without any effort. Sorry guys, but it's not gonna happen. Even if a new server was put forth, all of the current players would just make new accounts and transfer over. It makes absolutely no sense at all.
Sorry, you are wrong. No, you are not entitled to your opinion. You are wrong, and it an idiotic idea.
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Hopey
Gallente
L.O.S.T. Industries
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43
just a comparison here
WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years)
EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time
ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand.
as many others have said...you just don't get EvE at all.
your comparisons are apples to oranges - if Jessica Simpson sells more copies of her new CD than (say) Bob Dylan, does that means she has more artistic talent and ability, or just that people like easy, no-thought-required crap?
EvE is a niche-game that's hard to get to grips with and not for the weak or dumb
WoW is a 'lowest-common-denominator' game - anyone can play it, anyone can 'do well' at it, and it requires almost no thought or intelligence.
CCP and EvE are doing fine - this is the 2nd most successful MMOG (behind your beloved WoW) and it's gotten to this point - and continued to grow - by NOT pandering to idiots who can only think of everything in terms of WoW-ness and by sticking to their original vision.
as much as I hate this expression, it seems somewhat fitting - if you're not happy with the direction the game is taking, "please, go back to WoW"
|~~~~~~~~~~~| Hopey CEO & Founder, L.O.S.T. Industries |~~~~|
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Tractormech
Caldari
Fortune's Fools
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:27:00 -
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OP is out to lunch of what eve is about. Its about a world, one world, not 5000 cheap copies of one where what you do makes no difference. When you see someone in the game, you immediatley know some things about them through past experiences, freinds, rep etc.
Eve is not saturated like you say, maybe if all you do is just hang around the forge. There is some 0.0 out their to be gained from certain alliances which we all know wouldn't put up much of a fight. You just have to do some research and not have it handed to you.
WOW has lots of servers, hooray, its also something that makes the game even worse. Server transfers and the sheer number of them have all but ruined all but a few and made the rest ghost towns etc.
The second point is why? Why do we need a second server? EVE is made to be expandable. Just add more space. There is no reason for a second server that more space couldn't solve. None at all. So why?
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Tentacle Monster
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tentacle Monster on 29/05/2009 00:44:01
Wrong, WoW is a game that takes quite a lot of thought, research and effort if you want to do well, comparatively to the average player, at either pve or pvp. The difference is that EVE is less balanced and has few safeguards to prevent a 50million sp player from finding and trouncing a 500k sp player and making profit out of it, or using their years-old know-how, not to mention their far superior e****ent that they can replace a thousand times over, to play better in every way and dominate younger characters. Whereas WoW gives players little incentive for high-lvl characters to do this, other than asshattery, and only on pvp servers, so WoW players have options.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tentacle Monster
Edited by: Tentacle Monster on 29/05/2009 00:44:01
Wrong, WoW is a game that takes quite a lot of thought, research and effort if you want to do well, comparatively to the average player, at either pve or pvp. The difference is that EVE is less balanced and has few safeguards to prevent a 50million sp player from finding and trouncing a 500k sp player and making profit out of it, or using their years-old know-how, not to mention their far superior e****ent that they can replace a thousand times over, to play better in every way and dominate younger characters. Whereas WoW gives players little incentive for high-lvl characters to do this, other than asshattery, and only on pvp servers, so WoW players have options.
If a 50 mil sp char is trouncing a 500k one for profit he's got big problems. Further it is not the lack of sp that gets people dead, as has been pointed out on many occasions, it's lack of experience.
As for WoW it doesn't particularly call for a lot of research or thought to do well, just a little. What it really takes is a lot of time in game in order to aquire the goods and in the beginning to aquire the lvls.
Either way, another instance of EVE is about the dumbest solution possible (the dumbest is ofcourse to reset everything which I'm sure is OP's second choice).
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Kell Hunter
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kell Hunter on 29/05/2009 04:01:55
what more needs to be said?
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Acrel
Amarr
Elite Underworld Special Forces
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Posted - 2009.05.29 06:00:00 -
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One thing that Iam concerned about is the growth of EvE Online.. Now to put some numbers out there and yes Iam gonna use WoW as an example since its already been brought up.
WoW has a PCU of ~1 million. If EvE ever did reach those types of numbers that would mean with the current ~5000 systems(not including WH) 200 people in each system given some would have more some less but that would completely ruin the feel of EvE imo..
Now I am not saying EvE should be sharded but something should be planned if numbers continue to grow as they are.. Since even now with a PCU of what 58k a lot of areas are somewhat crowded.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.29 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Acrel
WoW has a PCU of ~1 million. If EvE ever did reach those types of numbers that would mean with the current ~5000 systems(not including WH) 200 people in each system given some would have more some less but that would completely ruin the feel of EvE imo..
Sounds like a wet dream. EVE would just need to change how it stuffs people into systems.
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Inflatable Achura
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.29 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs.
If these are your concerns, nothing is gonna stop you from getting outclassed on a new shard. If a new shard opens, be sure there will be long time players rolling there too, and they will use proven tactics/strategies to their best ability, you will end feeling like a dot in space again.
One thing that sets EVE apart from many other MMORPGs at the moment, is the fact you don't spawn with a narrative prophecy of saving the world - Being a hero - In EVE you're just this average Joe/Betty that has to start at square one. Darwin is at work, and if you can't beat a large alliance, settle with the choice of aligning. This dynamic is unique, and for a computer game, rather realistic.
Have you tried X3:Reunion?
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XenoPagan
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Posted - 2009.05.29 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: XenoPagan on 29/05/2009 07:54:15
Originally by: Inflatable Achura
If these are your concerns, nothing is gonna stop you from getting outclassed on a new shard. If a new shard opens, be sure there will be long time players rolling there too, and they will use proven tactics/strategies to their best ability, you will end feeling like a dot in space again.
One thing that sets EVE apart from many other MMORPGs at the moment, is the fact you don't spawn with a narrative prophecy of saving the world - Being a hero - In EVE you're just this average Joe/Betty that has to start at square one. Darwin is at work, and if you can't beat a large alliance, settle with the choice of aligning. This dynamic is unique, and for a computer game, rather realistic.
Have you tried X3:Reunion?
totally agree with this guy. new shard doesn't cure incompetency. we have a saying here in estonia for this- dumb will get his arse kicked even in church
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.29 08:32:00 -
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Just wondering, if the op and others who think like him are getting wiped out now what makes you think Ill go any softer on you on a new server?
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.05.29 14:30:00 -
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Your premises are wrong when MOST of the game universe is void of any life. And empires/powerblock rising etc. are player dynamics, it's a sandbox after all. can't blame CCP for doing the game work as intended indeed.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2009.05.29 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 29/05/2009 22:35:01
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku
eves 250,000
+50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing.
i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online...
Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt..
EVE does not have to adapt, all the mmorpgs that have adapted to become similar to WoW failed, also all the mmorpgs that copied too much or the wrong things from WoW failed or underperformed.
EVE is the only mmorpg in the West that keeps growing, so EVE has to adopt WoW standards ? I don' think so !
If you want a solid way to destroy EVE then it is to mimic WoW.
Greetings
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh
Active @ EvE Online
Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom
Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
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