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F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.05.28 09:38:00 - [241] Given her reply to one response, I can only say to the OP: Go forget yourself. Yeah, or something like that. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
Anyura	Posted - 2009.05.28 10:25:00 - [242] Edited by: Anyura on 28/05/2009 10:33:36 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Infinity Ziona They might actually fix some of the glaringly obvious bugs at least. You know like the one that makes you stuck on a gate forever, that appeared in 2004 and was patched out by a lame session change timer, and somehow made its way back into in the last patch, despite us still having the super lame session timer. EA will cancel it to use the server hardware for The Sims Online 2 and SOE will throw out all the skills, kill the industry and market and make it quest and joystick based in 100 systems instead of 7500. I hereby issue a restraining order preventing the Star-Wars-Galaxies-murdering-bastards otherwise known as SOE from coming within 50,000 miles of Iceland and 500,000 miles of any kind of CCP source code. Originally by: Armoured C <snip> Newbie (<5 mil SP) seconds this statement. Eve doesnt cater for lazy people. I got from -4.95 Sansha's Nation standing to -1.65 by working my ass off on missions and learning to fly carefully in 0.0. But let's look at the real reason here - the OP wants its corp to be a major player in 0.0 but as it lacks the will and determination to take people on, it would rather hop to a deserted little server shard and hope that it can get set up before someone big and nasty does. It's a lot easier to rule a place when you're on a deserted island. Anything else takes effort.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.05.28 10:37:00 - [243] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: badbush The game is how it is. You can draw parallels to the real world, as far as powerblocs" etc go. All I hear is "it's not fair, I want sov but someone got there first". Yeah, pretty much this. As far as I am aware, virtually every single sov system belonged to some other entity before its current owners took it away from them. Certainly the huge majority, and definately all the decent space. This "Vets got free sov just for being first boo hoo it's all so unfair gief new server NAOW!!!" rubbish is simply wrong. And to imagine that valuable fresh space wouldn't immediately be claimed by the Big Boys is extraordinarily naive. Some people actually believed that minable moons in wormspace would have allowed "small corps" to get their ""fair" share" of moongoo, when it's obvious that the big powerblocs, being better organised and having more members and resources, would simply have got there first in most cases.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Firestar Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.05.28 11:19:00 - [244] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: baltec1 Or CCP can do what they always do and expand the current server. There are still large parts of space that are empty. Trouble is there is nothing to stop the current powerblocs taking that.. And that's the basis of 0.0 conflict... the only real solution to your problem is to make all space high sec. No.
Wacktopia Infinity Miners Union Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2009.05.28 11:22:00 - [245] It appears the swinging nerfbat caught my reply and your's to this thread (freedom of speach prolly doesnt apply here?). Its on eve-search but unfortunately the lack of capital letters and punctuation ruins your "lets all act like adults" point. Anyway... Its a bad idea. The main reason is the "single persistent world" is one of CCPs main selling points and also one of the reasons why a people like EVE. Creating multiple worlds or instances may ease load and create space but it also create the problem that users can "hop" worlds to avoid other players. For example: you find a gate camp and hop to another instance to get around it. /not signed
Yue Rubens Fnord Works Event Horizon.	Posted - 2009.05.28 11:33:00 - [246] No no no! One-shard world it is, one-shard world it stays!
Jebidus Skari Comply Or Die	Posted - 2009.05.28 12:00:00 - [247] Originally by: Armoured C For the people attacking space it requires dedication, it has taken my alliance almost 2 weeks+ wihth op to take down towers ect, to insure the residents are culled off and as much destruction as possible on the previous owners. every alliance who has sov has had to go through this and you want to reset it so that you in your crappy 10 man corp can have a free ride, HOW ABOUT STFU you get what you work for and well if you dont have the balls to go out and get something why should the game mummy you to get it for you. everyone in my alliance has worked hard with late night pos op's to tear pos's down. we finally have sov and it was all worth it to call a place home. Why do you DESERVE SOV WHAT have you DONE for you to be given sov? the people who are saying ahh yeah we want sov for free crap want there head testing as you need to get off you a$$ and work at it ¼_¼ bloody lamers ¼_¼ Guess its something i need to now say... Lol you really are a sad person, an absolute disgrace to your corp and alliance. You guys snuck in the back door, against a pitiful alliance.. Oh and by the way check your history..GOODFELLAS ---> Taking Deklein.. so we did get off our arse and take a fecking great big region, and this insignificant corp did very well infact..yeah so what we are not as big anymore things change..but before you go spouting off check your history...what we achieved and what your insignificant alliance achieved is quite different...good bye...
Navtiqes Space Sheriff	Posted - 2009.05.28 12:04:00 - [248] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Armoured C For the people attacking space it requires dedication, it has taken my alliance almost 2 weeks+ wihth op to take down towers ect, to insure the residents are culled off and as much destruction as possible on the previous owners. every alliance who has sov has had to go through this and you want to reset it so that you in your crappy 10 man corp can have a free ride, HOW ABOUT STFU you get what you work for and well if you dont have the balls to go out and get something why should the game mummy you to get it for you. everyone in my alliance has worked hard with late night pos op's to tear pos's down. we finally have sov and it was all worth it to call a place home. Why do you DESERVE SOV WHAT have you DONE for you to be given sov? the people who are saying ahh yeah we want sov for free crap want there head testing as you need to get off you a$$ and work at it ¼_¼ bloody lamers ¼_¼ Guess its something i need to now say... Lol you really are a sad person, an absolute disgrace to your corp and alliance. You guys snuck in the back door, against a pitiful alliance.. Oh and by the way check your history..GOODFELLAS ---> Taking Deklein.. so we did get off our arse and take a fecking great big region, and this insignificant corp did very well infact..yeah so what we are not as big anymore things change..but before you go spouting off check your history...what we achieved and what your insignificant alliance achieved is quite different...good bye... You missed the whole point. It's not about deserving it, so save the Smack Fu, it's about trying in the first place, and the OP clearly wants everything for free. Please don't embed journalists in your signature - Mitnal
Serinao Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.28 12:20:00 - [249] It's still possible now, just create an corp make it well organised to survive in 0.0 Join an powerblock with your corp. Gain respect in that alliance so you get more influence. After a while you can have enough influence to control said alliance. Then you basicly own that part off space. Powerblocks will always be here, no powerblock last forever though, well not in the form we are used to anyway. Sovereignity has nothing to do with it, an small corp will always be outgunned by those with more guns. And once you have more people sovereignity can be removed in days or weeks. I remember close after beta on my first char i went to Stain with 6 friends. after a while Stain Alliance said get out we thought hey npc stations what can they do? well in came the blob and that was like 6 months into the game.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.05.28 19:20:00 - [250] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: badbush The game is how it is. You can draw parallels to the real world, as far as powerblocs" etc go. All I hear is "it's not fair, I want sov but someone got there first". Yeah, pretty much this. As far as I am aware, virtually every single sov system belonged to some other entity before its current owners took it away from them. Certainly the huge majority, and definately all the decent space. This "Vets got free sov just for being first boo hoo it's all so unfair gief new server NAOW!!!" rubbish is simply wrong. And to imagine that valuable fresh space wouldn't immediately be claimed by the Big Boys is extraordinarily naive. Some people actually believed that minable moons in wormspace would have allowed "small corps" to get their ""fair" share" of moongoo, when it's obvious that the big powerblocs, being better organised and having more members and resources, would simply have got there first in most cases. Oh damb how did I forget W-space? Yeah so it turns out that a full 1/3 of the systems are a free-for-all that can't be claimed by the powerblocks... so obviously we need a new server.

Mindseamstress Gallente Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises	Posted - 2009.05.28 20:18:00 - [251] No Mindseamstress Chief Executive Office Jovian Labs
masternerdguy Gallente Point of No Return Blade.	Posted - 2009.05.28 20:20:00 - [252] You really want eve to be like wow? Wow has elves running around in skimpy pants. Wow has magical quests of magicness. Wow has a backstory that makes no sense. Wow has 8 million 9 year olds screaming in a microphone, daily. Wow also has "epic battles" of said screaming 9 year olds in wheat fields. You really want eve to be like that?
Tentacle Monster 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.05.28 21:10:00 - [253] A second server would likely end up in the same status quo, just with different names. Some players play 16 hours a day and will stop at nothing to get ahead by whatever means, and this will never change. Neither do the other types of players, for the most part, so you can't expect anything radically different beyond the first few months perhaps, and after that I'm pretty sure the two instances would look very much alike.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.05.28 21:56:00 - [254] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 28/05/2009 22:00:31 EVE is what it is because of it's single cluster filosophy, changing that would be a major change to the game. Major changes to an mmorpg are generally not very well received, they generally break more then they fix/improve. I can give you a few examples : CU and NGE for SWG, ToA and NF for DAoC, ... Building and improving upon the foundations of the game has been the vision of CCP, and it has been very successful. It is the only mmorpg that can say they have still more then 20% increase in subs per year after running for 6 years and they are now the second biggest premium mmorpg in the west. New "instances" as you call them ( they are actually called shards ) would not only be a major change, it is also a bad idea. The EVE universe feels alive, always full with people to play with, a great economy, nice politics, and most important of all, if you do something in EVE, it means something, because everyone is affected, even if it is only in a very tiny way. If you become notorious or famous, you will be known by the whole EVE Community, this counts for individuals, corps and alliances. If there would be many shards, then people would only know and be interested in what was going on on their own shard mostly. Eve online is about building communities and inclusion, not segragation, you can also see this in their free expansion policy. So to make a long story short, sharding EVE is a bad idea. Ah what the hell, I'll just say it, go back to WoW n00b :p Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC
Prodigiosus Proditio	Posted - 2009.05.28 22:14:00 - [255] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Armoured C Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Serious topic..if you gonna troll please dont... (like Wow etc) you cant add those together in this forum and expect to walk out of here alive ? no we should bloody instance the server eve is eve it is that and nothing else stop trying to adpot it with other game instruments. please go pod yourself so whats your reason behind that rather childish commment? he's an absolute idiot, that's the reason for every one of his posts.
Sofie palamor	Posted - 2009.05.28 22:43:00 - [256] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku but if your happy how eve is then hey thats great, just cos im not doesnt mean im wrong either or anyone else who agrees with me... Actually you are wrong...
Sythyss Paradigm Council	Posted - 2009.05.28 22:52:00 - [257] I haven't had the time to read through this whole thread, so most of what I'm about to say was probably already said, but I'm going to make a post anyways. Sharding the server...will simply never happen. I'm sorry, but CCP will just never do it. The idea is utterly ridiculous, and only put forward by people who just want to claim some part of 0.0 without any effort. Sorry guys, but it's not gonna happen. Even if a new server was put forth, all of the current players would just make new accounts and transfer over. It makes absolutely no sense at all. Sorry, you are wrong. No, you are not entitled to your opinion. You are wrong, and it an idiotic idea.
Hopey Gallente L.O.S.T. Industries Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.28 23:30:00 - [258] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Edited by: Queen Ba''Ku on 25/05/2009 14:27:43 just a comparison here WOW : More than 11.5 million monthly subscribers release 2004 (so 5 years) EVE : 300,000 subscribers released around same time ENOUGH SAID....Because Blizzard know what they are doing...and adapted.Seriously get your heads out of the sand. as many others have said...you just don't get EvE at all. your comparisons are apples to oranges - if Jessica Simpson sells more copies of her new CD than (say) Bob Dylan, does that means she has more artistic talent and ability, or just that people like easy, no-thought-required crap? EvE is a niche-game that's hard to get to grips with and not for the weak or dumb WoW is a 'lowest-common-denominator' game - anyone can play it, anyone can 'do well' at it, and it requires almost no thought or intelligence. CCP and EvE are doing fine - this is the 2nd most successful MMOG (behind your beloved WoW) and it's gotten to this point - and continued to grow - by NOT pandering to idiots who can only think of everything in terms of WoW-ness and by sticking to their original vision. as much as I hate this expression, it seems somewhat fitting - if you're not happy with the direction the game is taking, "please, go back to WoW" \|~~~~~~~~~~~\| Hopey CEO & Founder, L.O.S.T. Industries \|~~~~\|
Tractormech Caldari Fortune's Fools	Posted - 2009.05.29 00:27:00 - [259] OP is out to lunch of what eve is about. Its about a world, one world, not 5000 cheap copies of one where what you do makes no difference. When you see someone in the game, you immediatley know some things about them through past experiences, freinds, rep etc. Eve is not saturated like you say, maybe if all you do is just hang around the forge. There is some 0.0 out their to be gained from certain alliances which we all know wouldn't put up much of a fight. You just have to do some research and not have it handed to you. WOW has lots of servers, hooray, its also something that makes the game even worse. Server transfers and the sheer number of them have all but ruined all but a few and made the rest ghost towns etc. The second point is why? Why do we need a second server? EVE is made to be expandable. Just add more space. There is no reason for a second server that more space couldn't solve. None at all. So why?
Tentacle Monster 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2009.05.29 00:43:00 - [260] Edited by: Tentacle Monster on 29/05/2009 00:44:01 Wrong, WoW is a game that takes quite a lot of thought, research and effort if you want to do well, comparatively to the average player, at either pve or pvp. The difference is that EVE is less balanced and has few safeguards to prevent a 50million sp player from finding and trouncing a 500k sp player and making profit out of it, or using their years-old know-how, not to mention their far superior e****ent that they can replace a thousand times over, to play better in every way and dominate younger characters. Whereas WoW gives players little incentive for high-lvl characters to do this, other than asshattery, and only on pvp servers, so WoW players have options.

Jin Nib	Posted - 2009.05.29 00:59:00 - [261] Originally by: Tentacle Monster Edited by: Tentacle Monster on 29/05/2009 00:44:01 Wrong, WoW is a game that takes quite a lot of thought, research and effort if you want to do well, comparatively to the average player, at either pve or pvp. The difference is that EVE is less balanced and has few safeguards to prevent a 50million sp player from finding and trouncing a 500k sp player and making profit out of it, or using their years-old know-how, not to mention their far superior e****ent that they can replace a thousand times over, to play better in every way and dominate younger characters. Whereas WoW gives players little incentive for high-lvl characters to do this, other than asshattery, and only on pvp servers, so WoW players have options. If a 50 mil sp char is trouncing a 500k one for profit he's got big problems. Further it is not the lack of sp that gets people dead, as has been pointed out on many occasions, it's lack of experience. As for WoW it doesn't particularly call for a lot of research or thought to do well, just a little. What it really takes is a lot of time in game in order to aquire the goods and in the beginning to aquire the lvls. Either way, another instance of EVE is about the dumbest solution possible (the dumbest is ofcourse to reset everything which I'm sure is OP's second choice).
Kell Hunter	Posted - 2009.05.29 04:01:00 - [262] Edited by: Kell Hunter on 29/05/2009 04:01:55 what more needs to be said?
Acrel Amarr Elite Underworld Special Forces	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:00:00 - [263] One thing that Iam concerned about is the growth of EvE Online.. Now to put some numbers out there and yes Iam gonna use WoW as an example since its already been brought up. WoW has a PCU of ~1 million. If EvE ever did reach those types of numbers that would mean with the current ~5000 systems(not including WH) 200 people in each system given some would have more some less but that would completely ruin the feel of EvE imo.. Now I am not saying EvE should be sharded but something should be planned if numbers continue to grow as they are.. Since even now with a PCU of what 58k a lot of areas are somewhat crowded.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:11:00 - [264] Originally by: Acrel WoW has a PCU of ~1 million. If EvE ever did reach those types of numbers that would mean with the current ~5000 systems(not including WH) 200 people in each system given some would have more some less but that would completely ruin the feel of EvE imo.. Sounds like a wet dream. EVE would just need to change how it stuffs people into systems.
Inflatable Achura Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.29 06:33:00 - [265] Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Eve has now become saturated pretty much, 0.0 is now totally controlled by the major powerblocs, massive napfests etc, resources drained etc. Its now increasingly difficult for corps/alliances to recruit just by the sheer number of new corps/alliances, almost impossible for new alliances, or smaller alliances to gain sov space without being crushed by the major napfests/powerblocs. If these are your concerns, nothing is gonna stop you from getting outclassed on a new shard. If a new shard opens, be sure there will be long time players rolling there too, and they will use proven tactics/strategies to their best ability, you will end feeling like a dot in space again. One thing that sets EVE apart from many other MMORPGs at the moment, is the fact you don't spawn with a narrative prophecy of saving the world - Being a hero - In EVE you're just this average Joe/Betty that has to start at square one. Darwin is at work, and if you can't beat a large alliance, settle with the choice of aligning. This dynamic is unique, and for a computer game, rather realistic. Have you tried X3:Reunion?
XenoPagan	Posted - 2009.05.29 07:54:00 - [266] Edited by: XenoPagan on 29/05/2009 07:54:15 Originally by: Inflatable Achura If these are your concerns, nothing is gonna stop you from getting outclassed on a new shard. If a new shard opens, be sure there will be long time players rolling there too, and they will use proven tactics/strategies to their best ability, you will end feeling like a dot in space again. One thing that sets EVE apart from many other MMORPGs at the moment, is the fact you don't spawn with a narrative prophecy of saving the world - Being a hero - In EVE you're just this average Joe/Betty that has to start at square one. Darwin is at work, and if you can't beat a large alliance, settle with the choice of aligning. This dynamic is unique, and for a computer game, rather realistic. Have you tried X3:Reunion? totally agree with this guy. new shard doesn't cure incompetency. we have a saying here in estonia for this- dumb will get his arse kicked even in church
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.05.29 08:32:00 - [267] Just wondering, if the op and others who think like him are getting wiped out now what makes you think Ill go any softer on you on a new server?
Slave 2739FKZ	Posted - 2009.05.29 14:30:00 - [268] Your premises are wrong when MOST of the game universe is void of any life. And empires/powerblock rising etc. are player dynamics, it's a sandbox after all. can't blame CCP for doing the game work as intended indeed.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Ara Veritas	Posted - 2009.05.29 22:32:00 - [269] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 29/05/2009 22:35:01 Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Queen Ba'Ku eves 250,000 +50k, the 20% of the last 6 months. So 300,000. Which makes it take the 2nd place in western MMO demographics in the $10-$15 category. Everything other than WoW has less subscribers and is falling. Unlike EVE, which is growing. i agree..but very very very very slowly.....so it 5 years time it will have maybe 500,000 subs and 70,000 people online... Guy seriously i care about this game as much as you do...ive played for a long time..i dont want to see it die either, but you have to adapt.. EVE does not have to adapt, all the mmorpgs that have adapted to become similar to WoW failed, also all the mmorpgs that copied too much or the wrong things from WoW failed or underperformed. EVE is the only mmorpg in the West that keeps growing, so EVE has to adopt WoW standards ? I don' think so ! If you want a solid way to destroy EVE then it is to mimic WoW. Greetings Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC


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