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John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:58:00 -
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I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
196
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:01:00 -
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Nah.. you got it all wrong. Also.. first! Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:02:00 -
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just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game eh |

Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:03:00 -
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Oh yes indeed eve is exactly what you say and so are the goons.
They're just a bunch of antisocial unfriendly bigoted people in an alliance of several thousand people coming from multiple countries.
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1644
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:03:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you. I'm sure your corp will be thrilled to read this. |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:05:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. EVE is supposed to be hard? The world is a rough place.
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
495
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:09:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q Things are only impossible until they are not. |

zama118
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
23
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:10:00 -
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wow
always amaze me that people think null is just full of goons goons might be the largest power bloc at the moment and indeed a very powerful and respected alliance (never said trusted) but eve is forever changing null is full of small are large corps/alliances every alliance corp i have ever been in (and iv never joined goons) as been friendly and quite fun to be around also people in goons tell me that goons/test is a very friendiy socaly active place to be.
eve is what you make of it, stop wining on and on and on about how its not this and that, go out and make the game its your own experience
burn jita, wonderful event i loved watching it and seeing some dumb people die hulkageddon again love watching it and the mahem it makes
very social events id say 1000's of people getting to togever to share there joy of blowing up crap... this game at its core is about blowing up stuff, if no one blows up crap no one makes any money to blow up more crap with...
you could not improve on the blanince in this game any more
also im O/C at the moment so i will have to end with a troll
DEAL WITH IT |

Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
188
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:11:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.
Bolded a couple points there. I am not a goon or a newb, and yet here I am. I also don't lose 2 plex worth of ships to suicide ganking because I am not stupid. It's pretty easy to NOT get suicide ganked.
The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw. You obviously don't know that.
I'll stand up and say "the goons do not represent me" and, you're still wrong.
and i suppose, can i haz ur stuff?
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:13:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw.
lol what eh |
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
345
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:16:00 -
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I just insult and pod everybody who isn't blue to me. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:18:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game
No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it.
I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. |

Whitehound
280
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:23:00 -
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What can one say to the OP? ... You are not alone!
Now back to my own issue, which is what I want to eat tonight. I have fish on my mind ...
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
345
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:23:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.
10 whole mil. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

Mathias Hex
131
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:32:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:What can one say to the OP? ... You are not alone!
Now back to my own issue, which is what I want to eat tonight. I have fish on my mind ...
Grilled hamburgers **** ya.
On topic: I personally like the goons better than anyone I met on WoW. Not saying I like the goons but, well there you have it. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |

Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
297
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:32:00 -
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Long as Goonswarm exists, people like you will have someone at which you can direct your misplaced anger.
In a sandbox, grudges create content. If this were a themepark, sure, trolling would simply be an irritation you could do nothing about except /ignore. Here, you can create a force to stand up to them, if you like. It's not the games fault if you're so antisocial that you can't manage to get the people together.
Now that you know the truth, feel free to save this post and copy/paste it into future threads that are exactly the same as this one.
Edit: Oh, and there are quite a few friendly people out there. You don't have to trust them with your **** in order to work together. People have a hard time determining what words mean. Words. -á |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
305
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:33:00 -
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Forums =/= Game |

ClimClomClue
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:36:00 -
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I think that goons are excellent roleplayers. They're just playing the bad guys but I genuinely think that they're not as alienated as they try to show.
I also think that CCP is hurting himself by neglecting the safety of HIgh-sec. The security hit should be extended to each and every account and character of the suicide ganker. We all like risk and consequences, don't we?
About the forums, you'll soon realize that if you ignore the 2 or 3 trolls it's quite a funny place to roam. And if you leave GD, you may even find useful informations.
My in-game experience has been quite different. I've mostly found friendly and helpful blokes, even the ones whith whom I fought. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:39:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.
oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game eh |

John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:41:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. 10 whole mil.
I would sure like to make 10 mil for 10 minutes of work, it sure beats running missions for 1 mil isk each. But unlike a lot of the people on EvE and in the real world, I don't feel that easy money should come at the expense of others. I guess actually having a sense of ethics puts me at a disadvantage here.
Which isn't to say I'm opposed to fighting people, just do it the right way. There is a huge difference between challenging someone to a pistol dual (war dec), and shooting someone in the back of the head with a sniper rifle (suicide gank) |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:42:00 -
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where is this "guaranteed 10 million ISK profit" that you speak of eh |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
686
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:43:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. So, you mean to say "come at me bro" ? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:47:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game
He wasn't afk, he was mining. A ship warped in, then warped out, he thought it was someone just looking for belt rats to fight, so he didn't think to much about it. Several seconds later that same ship warps back in at a range of 1000m and kills him in the first volley. You don't have to be AFK to die in a point-blank alpha strike.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:48:00 -
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you understand that no destroyer can one-volley a hulk, right? eh |

John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:John Schlong wrote:I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. So, you mean to say "come at me bro" ?
I was being sarcastic. |

HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:53:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Aiwha wrote:John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. 10 whole mil. I would sure like to make 10 mil for 10 minutes of work, it sure beats running missions for 1 mil isk each. But unlike a lot of the people on EvE and in the real world, I don't feel that easy money should come at the expense of others. I guess actually having a sense of ethics puts me at a disadvantage here. Which isn't to say I'm opposed to fighting people, just do it the right way. There is a huge difference between challenging someone to a pistol dual (war dec), and shooting someone in the back of the head with a sniper rifle (suicide gank) It's great that you have a sense of how the world should be but the reality is your vision of EVE and the reality of EVE are very different. E-Honor means nothing and the "lack of it" is a poor rationalization for not being being prepared to lose something expensive. One of the first things said in the Goon Newbie guide is never fly anything you can't afford to lose and I'd wish more people would take this to heart. |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:53:00 -
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zama118 wrote:wow
always amaze me that people think null is just full of goons
They run a good PR campaign, what can I say. |

Will Rufus
One Horse Trading
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:53:00 -
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Could people please stop posting links to that sad attempt at a pop promo by a bunch of geeks at some games company pretending to be a rock band. It's pathetic, just say toughen the **** up and get on with it.
Thankyou for you your time. |

Blade Ripley
Hydra Squadron
1
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:53:00 -
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OP you are somewhat right and somewhat wrong. Goons might the largest alliance in EVE, but are still dwarfed next to the total server population. They might make lot of noise and generally take up more space than they deserve, but they are but one of many entities currently struggling for world dominance in EVE Online (albeit a rather successful one) Basically, claiming that EVE is "Goons online" is a such a wild exaggregation that it invalidates your entire case.
But I will still give you credit for one point. I have been playing this game for 5 years, and in those years I think the game has hardened significantly. Its "newbie friendliness" (not that it was very newbie friendly to begin with) has diminished, and the tone, both in-game and on the forums, has become sharper. The trolls, the scammers and the griefers have multiplied. Maybe this just reflects developments taking place in the outside (online) world, I dont know. Personally, I can just say that I have become less and less inclined to participate in any discussion on the forums due to this.
As for the corporation issue; it is indeed very important to play EVE in a player corporation to get the full EVE experience. Play it solo (or in a bad corp), and you will just scratch the surface of what this game has to offer. The trouble is, you will probably not realize just how significant an impact a good player corp has on your EVE experience until after the fact. Just telling you will not help. You have to experience it yourself. Its a very "matrixy" phenomenom  |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
268
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Posted - 2012.05.12 19:54:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:One if the first things said in the Goon Newbie guide is never fly anything you can't afford to lose and I'd wish more people would take this to heart.
No you see, that doesn't apply in hisec, this is evident because eh |
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