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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
571
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:48:00 -
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I stopped reading at "loosing."
You may think players aren't very nice (because they want to stick their ship up your arse) but obviously you haven't interacted with many people.
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flummox
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
18
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:52:00 -
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John Schlong wrote: No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
why must people actually move PLEXs? unless you're a trader and trying to move them for sale on the open market, there is NO REASON to move the PLEX... at all. you can APPLY THEM FROM ANYWHERE IN THE GAME through your Assets interface. with the Contracts feature, unless you are buying/selling on the Open Market, there is NO REASON TO MOVE A PLEX...
stupid people... |

Xion Martinus
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:00:00 -
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Xion is scared that a Doomheim ghost can still post in the Forums... *shudder* Epeen:-á Behavior quite commonly found on online discussion boards or similar, where some loser tries to establish his superiority - and thus the merit of his or her opinion - by stating how skilled and awesome he or she is, rather than forming a sound argument.Generally also used to condescendingly refer to someones ego. |

yopparai
ASTARTES CORP Hashashin Cartel
905
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:30:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:[quote=Blade Ripley]I WANT to play eve, and I WANT to enjoy the experience, but there are too many people that think eve MUST be PvP, 24/7, in EVERY system.
EvE Online was built around the idea of pvp 23/7 in every system. I don't think you understand the basic idea that is EvE Online.
Yopp
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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
255
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:38:00 -
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flummox wrote:John Schlong wrote: No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
why must people actually move PLEXs? unless you're a trader and trying to move them for sale on the open market, there is NO REASON to move the PLEX... at all. you can APPLY THEM FROM ANYWHERE IN THE GAME through your Assets interface. with the Contracts feature, unless you are buying/selling on the Open Market, there is NO REASON TO MOVE A PLEX... stupid people...
While the OP is missing the whole point of the game and probably could be filed under "stupid", I must point out that your reading comprehension is lacking. The OP didn't say someone lost 2 plex in a ship. He/she said 2 plex worth of ships, meaning around 800 mil or whatever the hell plex goes for these days.
Just sayin. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
255
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Posted - 2012.07.10 22:45:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw. lol what
What what? It's true. I guess it depends on your definition of "care bear" but whatever. I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

MadMuppet
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
494
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Posted - 2012.07.11 00:07:00 -
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OP went poof.
John Schlong cannot be found.
There is currently no character profile with the name John Schlong If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |

flummox
Militaris Industries Cascade Imminent
18
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Posted - 2012.07.11 00:51:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:flummox wrote:John Schlong wrote: No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
why must people actually move PLEXs? unless you're a trader and trying to move them for sale on the open market, there is NO REASON to move the PLEX... at all. you can APPLY THEM FROM ANYWHERE IN THE GAME through your Assets interface. with the Contracts feature, unless you are buying/selling on the Open Market, there is NO REASON TO MOVE A PLEX... stupid people... While the OP is missing the whole point of the game and probably could be filed under "stupid", I must point out that your reading comprehension is lacking. The OP didn't say someone lost 2 plex in a ship. He/she said 2 plex worth of ships, meaning around 800 mil or whatever the hell plex goes for these days. Just sayin.
you, sir, just won +1 internets. and i lost... |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
490
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:32:00 -
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Ur stuffs, OP: I can haz? In irae, veritas. |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
490
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:34:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:OP went poof.
John Schlong cannot be found.
There is currently no character profile with the name John Schlong
Good.
Working as intended.
Because Soundwave is right in that bit he said about a "a certain kind of customer" being OK to lose.
In irae, veritas. |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:58:00 -
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The goons are after Jita. Their alts are concentrated there. They like the target rich environment where the large high value targets hang out. The more they can destroy the more they can sell at Jita. If you live in high sec and hang out in Jita you are playing their game. The goons also win if they drive you out of Jita as they can gain all the resources in that region for their alts. It is a win, win situation for them and keeps the game from getting boring for their pilots.
So if you want to play in the sandbox around Jita you have to fight the goons game. Which is where just about everybody in high sec wants to be. There is a whole lot of high sec besides Jita. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
63
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:28:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Crap, Crap and more Crap....
Why is it so hard for you risk adverse people to understand that the entire game's economy is linked? Allowing people to farm isk in total safety is bad. There needs to be loss for there to be a healthy economy. If everyone has monstrous stacks of isk, that isk loses value. If everyone has two Mach's in their hanger then what value does a Mach have? If people are so risk adverse they refuse to leave high sec, I salute those that bring the risk to them. I do wish gankers would start going after mission boats and leave hulks alone. Killing hulks just gives Goons isk, considering most of the cost of a Hulk is tech.
It is true that the entire economy is linked, I think however you are forgetting that miners and traders are not adding any money to the economy, we remove it. Money gets into the economy through incursions, bounties, and insurance. None of those are things that highsec miners or traders do in abundance. What they do is farm raw materials, sell it to someone else, and pay tax on the sale. That takes money out of the economy. The proft goes into their wallet where when used gets taxed again.
In line with this, traders buy and sell goods and pay tax on them the whole time, never adding money to the economy, just moving it from others wallets to their own. If you think as a trader I just add infinite money to the economy you are mistaken. In the last year I have paid over 500 million ISK in tax on trades. It would have been twice that number, but I trained a skill for that.
Also, you act like there is no risk at all in mining or trading but what about the risk of price fluctuations for the goods being mined or traded. We almost always have to carry inventory and by doing so we risk that market changes and manipulation will sap asset values. Or what about the risk of development changes that decrease demand for our goods?
i dont think its that we are risk averse to all things, just that we dont like combat with other players. If you are looking to decrease the money supply you are better off griefing mission/incursion runners or asking for CCP to increase taxes or decrease bounties. Plus, I dont agree that everyone having two machariels is a good measure of a broken economy. I have no desire to engage in anything for which I would need even one of those.
Malphilos wrote:
Then this is the wrong game for them, and the kindest thing to do is to tell them to unsub and find something else to do.
Why is it wrong for them and not you? We all pay for this game in some way, why should we be beholden to your demand that we not be able to enjoy it as well? |

Mallak Azaria
303
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:23:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:a capsuleer that suicides his crew too often needs to find it difficult to get more.
your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1629
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:35:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:
Why is it wrong for them and not you? We all pay for this game in some way, why should we be beholden to your demand that we not be able to enjoy it as well?
Its wrong for them because they want to change the game to suit them. |

Oberine Noriepa
841
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it. Do you know which chronicle in particular? I'd like to read it. |

Selaya Ataru
Pink Kitten Kommando To The Moon
9
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:05:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Posting in an Internet thread.
Also confirming that the OP has a grudge against 2.5% of the playerbase. if goonswarm is only 2.5% of the player base, then why does CCP call "Burn Jita" a "playerbase-driven event" Is CCP saying, "we are going to do whatever the loudest 2% tell us to do?" This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want.
CCP liked it because Goons actually did organise something huge that had an impact. Its rare to see a single player organisation do something like this. Its not about ganking, its about players creating game content by starting such a huge event.
The drama that followed is actually good for CCP, because gamingsites pick up the story and show their readers that there are mmos out there that are different from the average "We tried to copy wow but we're totaly better" standart fantasy themepark mmo.
CCP did react when they thought somebody went to far (like the FW exploit), but massive ganking events are just free comercials for Eve and what you and all those other whiners dont get is: CCP WANTS Eve to be harsh and cruel.
In Addition to that getting ganked is purely your own damn fault if you do not understand the game mechanics survive.
Mallak Azaria wrote:Shizuken wrote:a capsuleer that suicides his crew too often needs to find it difficult to get more. your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it.
Every ships larger than a Frigate has a crew, CCP put up some trailers recently that specificly stated that a capsule fit Wyvern has a crew+ flightdeck crew of about 1000 people.
Or just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNVcwxblSks&feature=relmfu
Myrmidon with capsule fit has a crew of 34-63 plus the pilot, a normal one needs 80 crew. |

Mallak Azaria
303
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:10:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it. Do you know which chronicle in particular? I'd like to read it.
Took me awhile to find. It's a short story instead of a chronicle. I find it ironic that the short stories are longer... I hope you like reading. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Shizuken wrote:Why is it wrong for them and not you? We all pay for this game in some way, why should we be beholden to your demand that we not be able to enjoy it as well? Its wrong for them because they want to change the game to suit them. That's EVE for you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Garreth Vlox
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:19:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.
I stopped reading after the the second paragraph, just do us all a favor and take the whining back to Blizzard maybe they will give a damn because no one here who has played the game wand worked their way up to where they want to be the hard way will. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1178
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Posted - 2012.07.12 01:02:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. The goal was to have fun. We did. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Kvasir K'Chain
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 01:07:00 -
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As a relatively new player, with about 3 months total time played, I can say, at least for myself, that OP is just whining. I think one of the best features in this game is the fact that you can lose everything anywhere anytime. Granted it's less likely depending on where you are, but I feel like you can never assume that you are completely safe.
One thing I find odd is that there seem to a lot of people content with never risking anything, or rather willing to admit to risks. GoonSwarm fulfills an important part of the game ecosystem. They aren't the bad guys we want, but they are the bad guys we need.
Just admit it, in the moment of your imminent demise you proceeded to soil yourself in the most ungraceful manner, that right then and there you had never felt more alive. |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
957
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Posted - 2012.07.12 01:57:00 -
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the op must be the reason why last week CCP confirmed eve has hit a new record of 400,000 subs
eve is dying! Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
957
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Posted - 2012.07.12 02:00:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Oberine Noriepa wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it. Do you know which chronicle in particular? I'd like to read it. Took me awhile to find. It's a short story instead of a chronicle. I find it ironic that the short stories are longer... I hope you like reading.
um... hate to break it to you, but there is still crew on your ship. Just much less for a pod pilot. I've got a copy of EON with the title in big bold caps "EVE SHIPS HAVE CREW?"
i get it confuses people, but that doesn't make it not true Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |

Mallak Azaria
303
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:42:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Oberine Noriepa wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it. Do you know which chronicle in particular? I'd like to read it. Took me awhile to find. It's a short story instead of a chronicle. I find it ironic that the short stories are longer... I hope you like reading. um... hate to break it to you, but there is still crew on your ship. Just much less for a pod pilot. I've got a copy of EON with the title in big bold caps "EVE SHIPS HAVE CREW?" i get it confuses people, but that doesn't make it not true
According to CCP, your standard suicide ganking ship (A destroyer) only has the capsuleer inside the pod controlling the ship. Larger ships have a small amount of crew. |

Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
55
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:09:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Oberine Noriepa wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it. Do you know which chronicle in particular? I'd like to read it. Took me awhile to find. It's a short story instead of a chronicle. I find it ironic that the short stories are longer... I hope you like reading. um... hate to break it to you, but there is still crew on your ship. Just much less for a pod pilot. I've got a copy of EON with the title in big bold caps "EVE SHIPS HAVE CREW?" i get it confuses people, but that doesn't make it not true According to CCP, your standard suicide ganking ship (A destroyer) only has the capsuleer inside the pod controlling the ship. Larger ships have a small amount of crew. Last I checked, Capsuleer Frigates had 2-3 crew members, while Capsuleer Destroyers had about 5 crew members. Which means that every time you suicide-gank, you essentially kill 5 people who probably didn't sign up for that kind of shenanigans. Just pray that your crew are like your clones, and not actual human beings (unless you're Amarr). |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4292
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:28:00 -
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And your average hi-sec level 4 mission runner murders a couple of million NPC crew every night. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Caitlyn Tufy
Refuge of Hope Lemniskate
12
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:36:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
You know that bastard ******* that just blew up your hard earned ship and loot in it just for his own entertainment? Talk to him. You'll see that he's just a regular guy like you, trying to have fun in a sandbox.
Your mentality is indicative of someone that's not used to EVE - in those other MMOs, you get all those awesome pieces of gear and you keep them forever. Newsflash - that's not gonna happen in here. Almost everything you own can and at some point probably will get blown up, it's just part of the game. The sooner you'll accept that, the sooner you'll start enjoying the game. And you know what? That bastard ******* from the first paragraph might well become your best in-game friend :)
Malcanis wrote:And your average hi-sec level 4 mission runner murders a couple of million NPC crew every night.
I just shoot missiles. It's not my fault they don't move away :D |

Relient Tolemus
Fist of Eargon The Jagged Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:52:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.
Troll or Wow kid? not sure.
If you have a problem with goons do something about it. Go start your own alliance and try to take them out. I dont love or hate goons but I at least respect them for what they've accomplished. |

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
116
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Posted - 2012.07.12 09:56:00 -
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John Schlong wrote: Is it the American's fault for driving a car instead of an APC (armored personnel carrier)?
I don't know about you, but if this happened to hundreds of people every day in my country, i'd say it was common sense to invest in an APC.
There's a reason banks don't transport their money in Fiat puntos.
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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
121
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Posted - 2012.07.12 10:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Shizuken wrote:a capsuleer that suicides his crew too often needs to find it difficult to get more. your ship isn't controlled by a crew, it's controlled by the capsuleer inside the pod. There's a chronicle about it.
Which doesn't change the fact that there is a crew on your ships.
EvE - Crew guidelines
Not that it really matters as far as gameplay is concerned of course. |
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