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John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
18
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:04:00 -
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Plentath wrote:John Schlong wrote:Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Posting in an Internet thread.
Also confirming that the OP has a grudge against 2.5% of the playerbase. if goonswarm is only 2.5% of the player base, then why does CCP call "Burn Jita" a "playerbase-driven event" Is CCP saying, "we are going to do whatever the loudest 2% tell us to do?" This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want. No, it's not up to CCP. It's up to the other 98% of the playerbase to stop them. You don't seem to understand what a sandbox game is.
If i see someone who isn't in my corp/alliance being attacked by a suicide ganker, and I try to help them by killing the ganker, the police come after ME instead. the only way that the 98% of other players could fight back is if they all joined the same alliance.
CCP made the game and CCP makes the rules. The game allows ganking because CCP WANTS ganking to happen, simple as that. If CCP really wants people to join to join a corp, they should find some other way besides making the solo experience suck balls |
Johnny Rook
Requiem of the Sinner
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:06:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:
If i see someone who isn't in my corp/alliance being attacked by a suicide ganker, and I try to help them by killing the ganker, the police come after ME instead. the only way that the 98% of other players could fight back is if they all joined the same alliance.
have you even played this game before?
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
197
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:07:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Plentath wrote:John Schlong wrote:Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Posting in an Internet thread.
Also confirming that the OP has a grudge against 2.5% of the playerbase. if goonswarm is only 2.5% of the player base, then why does CCP call "Burn Jita" a "playerbase-driven event" Is CCP saying, "we are going to do whatever the loudest 2% tell us to do?" This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want. No, it's not up to CCP. It's up to the other 98% of the playerbase to stop them. You don't seem to understand what a sandbox game is. If i see someone who isn't in my corp/alliance being attacked by a suicide ganker, and I try to help them by killing the ganker, the police come after ME instead. the only way that the 98% of other players could fight back is if they all joined the same alliance. CCP made the game and CCP makes the rules. The game allows ganking because CCP WANTS ganking to happen, simple as that. If CCP really wants people to join to join a corp, they should find some other way besides making the solo experience suck balls
Well, if you want an Alliance and you think others will join it... Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
18
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:08:00 -
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Plentath wrote:John Schlong wrote:You don't expect you get blown up in the US because we have police; highsec also has police, it should be equally safe. So if I shoot you in real life, the police instantly appear and I am arrested? And you are safe because this happens? I actually don't think you know how the real world works either.
Real world police don't arrest you and then release you right away to kill again.
But thats exactly what concord does, they "arrest" you by blowing up your throw-away clone, and then turn a blind eye when you fly right past then 10 minutes later in a new ship
if this were the real world, suicide ganking would earn you an instant -5.0 security rating |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:12:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. You're not important. So don't think you are. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
197
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:14:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Plentath wrote:John Schlong wrote:You don't expect you get blown up in the US because we have police; highsec also has police, it should be equally safe. So if I shoot you in real life, the police instantly appear and I am arrested? And you are safe because this happens? I actually don't think you know how the real world works either. Real world police don't arrest you and then release you right away to kill again. But thats exactly what concord does, they "arrest" you by blowing up your throw-away clone, and then turn a blind eye when you fly right past then 10 minutes later in a new ship if this were the real world, suicide ganking would earn you an instant -5.0 security rating
Concord blows up the ship; not the clone. Also, they will continue to do so until the GCC expires, which afaik is 15m. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:16:00 -
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Goons post here as an organizational requirement to show support for themselves. It's required to rise in the ranks. The Goons actually count the posts and give points. Literacy, as you've seen, isn't required...nor is any depth of understanding of the simplest of things....then, they ARE the Goons. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
197
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:17:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Goons post here as an organizational requirement to show support for themselves. It's required to rise in the ranks. The Goons actually count the posts and give points. Literacy, as you've seen, isn't required...nor is any depth of understanding of the simplest of things....then, they ARE the Goons.
Do we get points for time spent before applying? Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
19
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:24:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:John Schlong wrote:I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. You're not important. So don't think you are.
Look, here we are at page 4, and it's only been 3 hours since my opening post. |
zama118
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
26
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:26:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:[quote=Kyoko Sakoda] This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want.
haha
no players want all sorts of crap they are never going to get
CCP do it coz its what CCP wants... from day one they state that the game is about this if burn jita happen 4-7 years ago (yes the server would die) they be not different from today or tomorrow also goons plus another 90% of eve like this style of play, we are free to do whatever we want to do. unlike other MMO's which restrict your actions in some quite stupid ways (still people try to brake the game)
no i dont want insta warping concord (read the new player guide tells you that concord there not to prevent the action but to give sift revenge) no i don't want stop high sec ganking (the game will go stale without the action of ganking its an service)
i think i can safely say that most players would agree with me |
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John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
19
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:30:00 -
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zama118 wrote:John Schlong wrote:[quote=Kyoko Sakoda] This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want. haha no players want all sorts of crap they are never going to get CCP do it coz its what CCP wants... from day one they state that the game is about this if burn jita happen 4-7 years ago (yes the server would die) they be not different from today or tomorrow also goons plus another 90% of eve like this style of play, we are free to do whatever we want to do. unlike other MMO's which restrict your actions in some quite stupid ways (still people try to brake the game) no i dont want insta warping concord (read the new player guide tells you that concord there not to prevent the action but to give sift revenge) no i don't want stop high sec ganking (the game will go stale without the action of ganking its an service) i think i can safely say that most players would agree with me
There is a difference between "adding spice" and force-feeding someone a whole tube of wasabi paste |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
471
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:38:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
You're assuming that everybody else in the game is flying hulks and being ganked. And if you're losing your pod in high sec, you really are in need of a better corp. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:39:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Posting in an Internet thread.
Also confirming that the OP has a grudge against 2.5% of the playerbase. if goonswarm is only 2.5% of the player base, then why does CCP call "Burn Jita" a "playerbase-driven event" Is CCP saying, "we are going to do whatever the loudest 2% tell us to do?" This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want. Last time some MMO developer decides to 'remove' pvp or made a fully non-pvp environment available (insta concord for example, in this case) on a pvp driven content, the game dies. Trammel anyone? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
62
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:40:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:If i see someone who isn't in my corp/alliance being attacked by a suicide ganker, and I try to help them by killing the ganker, the police come after ME instead.
Maybe you should learn game mechanics before you cry about them? |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
25
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:41:00 -
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This how I see situation around Goons and CCP:
Last 2 semi-empty yearly "expansions" (PI + CQ mini-games) indicate CCP doesn't have any clues (and/or resources) how to expand the game. And situation is getting worse because upcoming "The Great Debug and Interface Improvement" "expansion" will not bring any new content a-la wormhole space few years ago + there is no clear signs situation with "expansionless expansions" will change.
Meanwhile Goons create some type of "corrida red cloth" to distract community's attention from fact people pay for (almost) the same game as 3 years ago + situation will be the same for at least 6-12 more months until next expansion (maybe even for 18-24 months because we didn't hear anything new/certain from CCP yet). Goon's activity, Hulkageddon, staged alliance tournament(s) and whatever types of massive trolling alliances may offer to public - anything what generate news - these news are much better than boring news about empty expansions. And situation won't change until CCP find project manager who actually may expand the game further instead of implementing meaningless mini-games and debugs to present them as expansions. So you better stop worry and accept EVE, CCP, Goons, Hulkageddon, etc. as is because you can't really change situation with fantasy-less developers who cannot imagine anything new and interesting for internetspaceship game except for their own weekend shopping experience with snobby $1000 Japanese jeans.
TL;DR don't worry, be happy while waiting for EVE project manager with good ideas / vision. |
Zleon Leigh
116
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:50:00 -
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Curious - I know almost every class of ship has been nerfed or buffed by CCP. Have they ever touched the indy genre?
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:51:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:
blah blah blah $1000 Japanese jeans.
Go play something else then.
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Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:52:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:John Schlong wrote:I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind. You're not important. So don't think you are. Look, here we are at page 4, and it's only been 3 hours since my opening post. It's easy to shitpost in threads but we're not going to be burning effort just to grief you ingame. Got bigger priorities than that. |
John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
20
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:57:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:This how I see situation around Goons and CCP:
Last 2 semi-empty yearly "expansions" (PI + CQ mini-games) indicate CCP doesn't have any clues (and/or resources) how to expand the game. And situation is getting worse because upcoming "The Great Debug and Interface Improvement" "expansion" will not bring any new content a-la wormhole space few years ago + there is no clear signs situation with "expansionless expansions" will change.
Meanwhile Goons create some type of "corrida red cloth" to distract community's attention from fact people pay for (almost) the same game as 3 years ago + situation will be the same for at least 6-12 more months until next expansion (maybe even for 18-24 months because we didn't hear anything new/certain from CCP yet). Goon's activity, Hulkageddon, staged alliance tournament(s) and whatever types of massive trolling alliances may offer to public - anything what generate news - these news are much better than boring news about empty expansions. And situation won't change until CCP find project manager who actually may expand the game further instead of implementing meaningless mini-games and debugs to present them as expansions. So you better stop worry and accept EVE, CCP, Goons, Hulkageddon, etc. as is because you can't really change situation with fantasy-less developers who cannot imagine anything new and interesting for internetspaceship game except for their own weekend shopping experience with snobby $1000 Japanese jeans.
TL;DR it's not Goons' fault CCP doesn't have developers with ability to expand the game. Don't worry, be happy.
This makes a lot of sense. Maybe I'm just 3 years too late to the eve (after)party, and all I'm seeing are the drunks. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:01:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Lipbite wrote:TL;DR it's not Goons' fault CCP doesn't have developers with ability to expand the game. Don't worry, be happy. This makes a lot of sense. Maybe I'm just 3 years too late to the eve (after)party, and all I'm seeing are the drunks. Heresy!
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
89
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:07:00 -
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Tergerom Loregeron wrote:John Schlong wrote:Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Posting in an Internet thread.
Also confirming that the OP has a grudge against 2.5% of the playerbase. if goonswarm is only 2.5% of the player base, then why does CCP call "Burn Jita" a "playerbase-driven event" Is CCP saying, "we are going to do whatever the loudest 2% tell us to do?" This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want. You had to go there with that stupid ******* analogy didn't you?
I was worried he would, but on the other hand it just makes him sound even more stupid.
He also seems to forget that even though Goons headed up the Burn Jita event, there were many other alliances there having fun. CCP took notice because it was good press for the game -- something never before done on such a scale in EVE or in the industry -- not because it was Goons. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1193
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:10:00 -
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I can be your friend if you're a girl and are willing to send me your picture.
edit: (and will not call concord when your isk is gone at the morning)
Get |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
89
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:11:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:Curious - I know almost every class of ship has been nerfed or buffed by CCP. Have they ever touched the indy genre?
Blockade runners didn't used to have the stats they have now, or Covert Ops cloaks. The other T2 industrial didn't used to have a warp core stabilization bonus built in. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:11:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Tergerom Loregeron wrote:John Schlong wrote: if goonswarm is only 2.5% of the player base, then why does CCP call "Burn Jita" a "playerbase-driven event"
Is CCP saying, "we are going to do whatever the loudest 2% tell us to do?"
This sounds a lot like the 1%-ers in the real world telling the other 99% what to do. But unlike the real world, CCP really does have god-like powers, they could easily give concord ships insta-warp ability and stop highsec ganking in an instant, but they choose not to, because they think it's what the players want.
You had to go there with that stupid ******* analogy didn't you? I was worried he would, but on the other hand it just makes him sound even more stupid. He also seems to forget that even though Goons headed up the Burn Jita event, there were many other alliances there having fun. CCP took notice because it was good press for the game -- something never before done on such a scale in EVE or in the industry -- not because it was Goons. Besides, if anything, CCP is the 0.1%. And they do have "god-like" powers so, of course they do what they believe is best for the game.
Maybe not for your ~ego~, but there you have it. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
D3F4ULT
63
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:13:00 -
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Confirming with this thread that EVE is better than every MMO out there. Thanks CCP for letting me ruin people's days. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:14:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I guess actually having a sense of ethics puts me at a disadvantage here.
Which isn't to say I'm opposed to fighting people, just do it the right way. There is a huge difference between challenging someone to a pistol dual (war dec), and shooting someone in the back of the head with a sniper rifle (suicide gank)
Sense of ethics = disadvantage.........in some settings, definitely.
Difference between wardec and gank is little when the dec is from skilled experienced pilots against pure industrial highsec barnacles. Except this, in a fight there is no right way, unless you mean the way that maximises chance of a win. I'll always go with sniper rifle myself. Combat is only about winning, sport is about fair play so that you can be a winner and a good guy on the same day. Fair fight = sport and is therefore NOT A FIGHT.
Now that we've straightened this out you are more prepared to enjoy the environment across new eden, thank me later.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Beliandra
Elgoi Developments Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:25:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:This is the perfect metaphor.
Imagine you live in the US and you are in your car driving to work. Suddenly a central-american terrorist shows up holding a disposable rocket launcher and blows up your car. You wake up in the hospital late for work and without a car, meanwhile the terrorist wakes up in central america and gets a bounty for killing an american, which is more than enough money to buy another rocket launcher, plus he gets to keep whatever money was in the americans wallet. Is it the American's fault for driving a car instead of an APC (armored personnel carrier)? Here's another perfect metaphor.
You're playing Quake, in an online deathmatch. Someone shoots you in the head with a railgun. You respawn, spot them, fire a few shots and miss, and they rail you again. You respawn and they rail you again.
You then go to Id's forums and cry that you were just trying to enjoy a game of Quake and a griefer kept shooting you. You then tell Id that if they ever want to be a successful games developer they're going to have to change Quake so you are free to run around in a deathmatch without griefers being able to shoot you.
(feel free to replace "Quake" and "Id" with whatever FPS the cool kids play these days, I know I'm showing my age).
But well posted - I'm sure CCP will be delighted to hear what they've been doing wrong all these years. After nine years of constant growth, they will definitely want to know what they must do if they ever want EVE to grow. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:29:00 -
[88] - Quote
Beliandra wrote:John Schlong wrote:This is the perfect metaphor.
Imagine you live in the US and you are in your car driving to work. Suddenly a central-american terrorist shows up holding a disposable rocket launcher and blows up your car. You wake up in the hospital late for work and without a car, meanwhile the terrorist wakes up in central america and gets a bounty for killing an american, which is more than enough money to buy another rocket launcher, plus he gets to keep whatever money was in the americans wallet. Is it the American's fault for driving a car instead of an APC (armored personnel carrier)? Here's another perfect metaphor. You're playing Quake, in an online deathmatch. Someone shoots you in the head with a railgun. You respawn, spot them, fire a few shots and miss, and they rail you again. You respawn and they rail you again. You then go to Id's forums and cry that you were just trying to enjoy a game of Quake and a griefer kept shooting you. You then tell Id that if they ever want to be a successful games developer they're going to have to change Quake so you are free to run around in a deathmatch without griefers being able to shoot you. (feel free to replace "Quake" and "Id" with whatever FPS the cool kids play these days, I know I'm showing my age). But well posted - I'm sure CCP will be delighted to hear what they've been doing wrong all these years. After nine years of constant growth, they will definitely want to know what they must do if they ever want EVE to grow. Love to railgun people.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
John Schlong
Productive Prospects Inc.
20
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:31:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:John Schlong wrote:I guess actually having a sense of ethics puts me at a disadvantage here.
Which isn't to say I'm opposed to fighting people, just do it the right way. There is a huge difference between challenging someone to a pistol dual (war dec), and shooting someone in the back of the head with a sniper rifle (suicide gank) Sense of ethics = disadvantage.........in some settings, definitely. Difference between wardec and gank is little when the dec is from skilled experienced pilots against pure industrial highsec barnacles. Except this, in a fight there is no right way, unless you mean the way that maximises chance of a win. I'll always go with sniper rifle myself. Combat is only about winning, sport is about fair play so that you can be a winner and a good guy on the same day. Fair fight = sport and is therefore NOT A FIGHT. Now that we've straightened this out you are more prepared to enjoy the environment across new eden, thank me later. If your corp has a war dec on it, then atleast you know that someone actively wants to kill you, and you can take precautions (spend isk on players to guard your ships and operations or something).
The alternative is to fit every ship you fly as if you were going into lowsec, all the time, for the once-every-three-weeks chance that someone might try to attack you. A ship scanner, warp stabilizer, and cloaking device aren't very useful in PvE missions, yet that seems to be the suggested course of action. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:41:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:This how I see situation around Goons and CCP:
Last 2 semi-empty yearly "expansions" (PI + CQ mini-games) indicate CCP doesn't have any clues (and/or resources) how to expand the game. And situation is getting worse because upcoming "The Great Debug and Interface Improvement" "expansion" will not bring any new content a-la wormhole space few years ago + there is no clear signs situation with "expansionless expansions" will change.
Meanwhile Goons create some type of "corrida red cloth" to distract community's attention from fact people pay for (almost) the same game as 3 years ago + situation will be the same for at least 6-12 more months until next expansion (maybe even for 18-24 months because we didn't hear anything new/certain from CCP yet). Goon's activity, Hulkageddon, staged alliance tournament(s) and whatever types of massive trolling alliances may offer to public - anything what generate news - these news are much better than boring news about empty expansions. And situation won't change until CCP find project manager who actually may expand the game further instead of implementing meaningless mini-games and debugs to present them as expansions. So you better stop worry and accept EVE, CCP, Goons, Hulkageddon, etc. as is because you can't really change situation with fantasy-less developers who cannot imagine anything new and interesting for internetspaceship game except for their own weekend shopping experience with snobby $1000 Japanese jeans.
TL;DR it's not Goons' fault CCP doesn't have developers with ability to expand the game. Don't worry, be happy. I'd rather they fix the game and gameplay, than add features that are horribly broken, rushed out the door, and won't get "fixed" for years down the road. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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