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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:09:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.
I'm sorry you've had bad luck with the corps you're joined. All I can say is that I've had very much the opposite experience, and that pretty much all the corps and alliances I've been in have all been delighted to see another active, team-orientated, self-reliant member join.
Whhat was their problem with you? Were you too team-orientated? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3748
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:10:00 -
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Aspergers Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:19:00 -
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Collectivism is pretty appropriate, teaming up and working towards a common goal really helps, but I really struggle to see how hegemony or communism could be related to EVE at all.
In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Shian Yang
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:26:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
Greetings capsuleer ... Schlong,
With such a choice of name I'm hardly surprised people are mean to you. Is equating yourself with a phallus not the equivalent of putting a "kick me" sign on your back yourself?
As to the rest of your points. New Eden is a cold and hard place, especially if you choose to be a complete lone wolf. You need to be experienced, to understand how things work before you can realistically take on the role of a lone pilot. You, with barely two months of experience, are still very much wet behind the ears. Give yourself some time to understand how New Eden operates, the distinct dynamics and you will come to appreciate it.
All of it, including the Goonswarm Federation. They are a group of capsuleers that excel at New Eden. It's a shame you had to catch them at the peak of Burn Jita and Hulkageddon, but then, how can you be a hero if there are no villains in our universe?
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
182
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:35:00 -
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Roime wrote:Collectivism is pretty appropriate, teaming up and working towards a common goal really helps, but I really struggle to see how hegemony or communism could be related to EVE at all.
Collectivism through communism, held together by Hegemony.
Communism is an ideal that opposes autocratic rule and class based society but all communism creates autocracy and you either conform or you become the valueless bottom rung in the ladder. Hegemony occurs throughout EVE. See any NAP where a single alliance controls the wealth and the pets are allowed to be there under the umbrella.
It all serves to destroy individual identity and focus on the machine. You become a tool, convinced you are serving a greater purpose when all you are really doing is working for free. |

Zalasastra
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:40:00 -
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That is the most probable diagnosis in his case, i know this for a fact. |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.05.13 08:55:00 -
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Zalasastra wrote:That is the most probable diagnosis in his case, i know this for a fact.
And that's what you should conclude because A: You won't convince me this is a swell place to make friends B: MMO's are about groupie, groupie gang bangs C: I don't belong here because I didn't meet your criteria D: I have a clinical disease because I don't know you or want to.
I'm in EVE because I pay for it and the last time I checked, you don't work for CCP so kiss my pale white Assperger |

Sir Asterix
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:02:00 -
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John Schlong their are good corps out their with good people in. The problem is finding them as they tend to be invite only and keep themselves very much to themselves. This is due to the fact that as you said, this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you I would like to add to that, the group of players that what to be your best friend in eve so they can steal your processions, your corp mates processions and your corps processions.
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Zalasastra
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:05:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Zalasastra wrote:That is the most probable diagnosis in his case, i know this for a fact. And that's what you should conclude because A: You won't convince me this is a swell place to make friends B: MMO's are about groupie, groupie gang bangs C: I don't belong here because I didn't meet your criteria D: I have a clinical disease because I don't know you or want to. I'm in EVE because I pay for it and the last time I checked, you don't work for CCP so kiss my pale white Assperger
I fail to see how a simple confirmation of the underlying reason for HIS complaining warrants you spouting your "Assperger" hate speech at me troll. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.05.13 09:19:00 -
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Ocih wrote:
Collectivism through communism, held together by Hegemony.
Communism is an ideal that opposes autocratic rule and class based society but all communism creates autocracy and you either conform or you become the valueless bottom rung in the ladder. Hegemony occurs throughout EVE. See any NAP where a single alliance controls the wealth and the pets are allowed to be there under the umbrella.
It all serves to destroy individual identity and focus on the machine. You become a tool, convinced you are serving a greater purpose when all you are really doing is working for free.
Fairly accurate description of the modern American society.
My corp has zero tax, we own our assets together, most members are directors, and we define success by achieving the goals we set ourselves.
That said, in every functional organisation, especially ones in the fields of violence and team sports, succeeding requires individuals to give up some of their identity and selfishness temporarily to make the machine work.
If that destroys your identity, it was too weak in the first place. In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.05.13 10:39:00 -
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John Schlong wrote: If your corp has a war dec on it, then atleast you know that someone actively wants to kill you, and you can take precautions (spend isk on players to guard your ships and operations or something).
The alternative is to fit every ship you fly as if you were going into lowsec, all the time, for the once-every-three-weeks chance that someone might try to attack you. A ship scanner, warp stabilizer, and cloaking device aren't very useful in PvE missions, yet that seems to be the suggested course of action.
Eh? All you need is a decent buffer tank to prevent opportunistic ganking, and maybe an eye on the D-Scan for a flock of incoming tornadoes if you're REALLY paranoid.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
500
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:10:00 -
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OP is a newbie whiner who should go back to Wow.
Also, your assessment of the EVE player base is completely incorrect. Always keep an open mind and accept the fact that there may be entire groups of players that exist outside your limited experience. 2 months of sporadic play is hardly enough time to assess the over 300k active subscribers in EVE. I'm sure you haven't been everywhere, or joined every corp. Therefore your sample is skewed.
There are plenty of corps and alliances who like a good fight without being goons and who don't specialize in blobbing cyno alts. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:13:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Forums =/= Game
Don't say it twice you can get ban for this is ISD is in bad mood 
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.05.13 11:42:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:
why would I want to go to low sec when it just means waking up in a clone within 5 minutes? if I wanted to keep buying the same ship over and over again there is a self-destruct option, I don't need to fly to 0.4 space for that
Not every 0.4 system has a gatecamp on it, y'know. I've done half a dozen highsec>lowsec escalations and haven't even seen any ships on grid, just in local.
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Heinrich Rotwang
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.05.13 13:13:00 -
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Beliandra wrote: You're playing Quake, in an online deathmatch. Someone shoots you in the head with a railgun. You respawn, spot them, fire a few shots and miss, and they rail you again. You respawn and they rail you again.
In Quake, everyone got access to the same weapons and armor and the only advantage that the veteran player got over the new player, is experience and real skills (not calculated skills by subscription time). That's the farthest possible thing from eve mechanics I can think of. |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
983
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Posted - 2012.05.13 14:22:00 -
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nerds |

Modron Midumulf
Nordom Holdings
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:16:00 -
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Meh, OP should stop reading GD. Go to any game, read the forums, and tell me how the game is. Tell me how every class is broken, every corp/guild/random instance is full of idiots, how new players dont have a chance.
Then actually play that game, and tell me whether the forums are an accurate representation of the game. Just remember, people enjoying the game do not go to the forums and post "OMG, I am really enjoying PvP at the moment" because they are, strangely enough, playing the game :)
If the OP doesn't want to join a corp, he should at least check out the eve-uni class library, so he can learn a bit about game mechanics.
The myth that new players have no chance is no more true than it was when it was first touted, probably a year or so into eve.
So what if someone has 100m SP....there is a limit to how many they can have in a given field, specialisation is what you are after. If it was true that all that matters is SP, then whoever had the highest SP would by default win in PvP (Since they are a higher "level"), a new player would not be able to manufacture/Mine/Mission as well as an older player, no matter how long they played, they would not be able to compete on the market, and yet none of this occurs.
Burn Jita occured in 1 out of 5000 systems...in 1 of 23 regions with high sec in them, Other hubs were and are available if people wanted to avoid it. It was also only for 1 weekend. Hulkageddon is for 1 month. Don't sit AFK in a belt.
Low sec is (sadly) under-populated, so "I am going to get ganked as soon as I jump in" is not entirely accurate. "I am going to get ganked if I jump into Rancer/Amammake/Eggelhende/Bosena/(Insert busy system)" is perhaps more accurate....but then, the most kills/hr always happen in high sec, so you judge where is safer...
The sociability of eve? I also play(ed) WoW, AoC, LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, Rift etc and it was far easier to play those never interacting with other players. In Eve, even the most solo 1-man corp people (Like me) are usually hanging out in several channels with other people swapping information.
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gfldex
500
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:36:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm here to bring more attention to a problem with eve and have a civilized discussion about it.
You mean you want to bring attention to _your_ problem. We can't help you with that, neither can CCP. When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |

Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
860
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Posted - 2012.05.13 15:37:00 -
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John Schlong wrote: with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. Did they accomplish this act of ganking without a ship? Because the ship will eat into their profits. And to gank a Hulk in 1.0 space, solo, you need T2 fittings. You're going to need a destroyer most likely worth more than 10M ISK. So, no profit.
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gfldex
500
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:13:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:You're going to need a destroyer most likely worth more than 10M ISK.
No you don't. You need friends in thrashers, t1 fit will do.
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
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Rune Star
Trauma Ward Winmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:20:00 -
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You're a newbie whiner, go back to WoW. |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.05.13 16:48:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:You're going to need a destroyer most likely worth more than 10M ISK. No you don't. You need friends in thrashers, t1 fit will do.
Leaving aside the fact that he specified SOLO killing someone, unless your friends are working for free they need a cut of the profits too. |

Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
191
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Posted - 2012.05.13 17:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw. lol what
Just what I said. Null sec is full of really hardcore carebears. The whole game is full of them /us. The OP seemed to think that null sec was full of LEET PVP'rs or something. It's not. Many people(not all so don't freak out)in null are just as risk adverse as their high sec counterparts. Just because they join blob fleets now and again and get some kills doesn't mean they aren't carebears.
w/e I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
314
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Posted - 2012.05.13 18:02:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw. lol what Just what I said. Null sec is full of really hardcore carebears. The whole game is full of them /us. The OP seemed to think that null sec was full of LEET PVP'rs or something. It's not. Many people(not all so don't freak out)in null are just as risk adverse as their high sec counterparts. Just because they join blob fleets now and again and get some kills doesn't mean they aren't carebears. w/e
the "hardcore carebears" in nullsec don't whine when they get ganked, however
i'm sorry that you think that nullsec is supposed to be a PvP-only area eh |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
173
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Posted - 2012.05.13 18:09:00 -
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Referencing back to the op. That is because the majority of casual, respectable and other people who enjoy the game's social aspect, want to have a good time etc are too busy doing that to try to be showy attention grabbing bigots. Who cares about the self concious people who have an undesirable need for attention, find good peeps, and play the game. There are many out in new eden. |

Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.05.13 18:24:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw. lol what Just what I said. Null sec is full of really hardcore carebears. The whole game is full of them /us. The OP seemed to think that null sec was full of LEET PVP'rs or something. It's not. Many people(not all so don't freak out)in null are just as risk adverse as their high sec counterparts. Just because they join blob fleets now and again and get some kills doesn't mean they aren't carebears. w/e the "hardcore carebears" in nullsec don't whine when they get ganked, however i'm sorry that you think that nullsec is supposed to be a PvP-only area
Yeah they didn't want those regions, stations, fleets, chairman anyway. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
314
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Posted - 2012.05.13 18:30:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:Yeah they didn't want those regions, stations, fleets, chairman anyway.
uh what eh |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
117
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:23:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote: oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game
The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game. |

EpicFailTroll
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.13 23:40:00 -
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EvE grows at a very acceptable rate for CCP. A single shard universe cannot at the moment serve hundreds of thousands simultaneous players. What about profit? Well, for every 100 players who try the game and don't like it, there are a few who do subscribe, and, amongst those few, a couple who will buy a scout account, an industrial account, a remote boosting account, an ecm account, and fund everything through PLEX.
Gameplay in EvE is incredibly and quite absurdly harsh... if you play on a single account. A scout is mandatory, and players are forced to use several clients at once, if they wish to attain any degree of relevance in New Eden. And not only for solo. Ever seen a higher up in any powerful corporation that hadn't a slew of alts? yeah, me neither.
Single sharding also creates very strong power plays. A big player in EvE can truly brag, instead of saying "I'm the best warrior on the 289th WoW server", he'll say "I'm top brass in X alliance", that sounds somewhat more impressive. Power plays in this game are also driven by real money, some people are just very rich and like to spend it on online games. Mercenary fees and the like will be negotiated through isk created by PLEX (and some paypal transactions that will escape CCP's grasp).
EvE is actually the most Pay-to-Win game out there. Sociopathy is absolutely encouraged, as it generates a very high profit to player ratio.
Maxpie wrote: The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.
Financially it would not make sense for CCP. Allowing alts generates the same revenue for much less server load than an equal number of different players would. And the P2W/multiple accounts aspect of EvE generates huge profit. |

Shian Yang
119
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:25:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.
Greetings capsuleer,
I am eagerly awaiting your proposed plan for ensuring I can only have one pilot license with one pilot active underneath it. When you have come up with a viable scheme for what is a fundamentally stupid idea we'll cover the next few points.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
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