Well if TiDi is supposed to solve lag problem in a system due to lots of people in it and it creates tons of lag in a dozen others systems, what kind of solution is that ?

TiDi does what its supposed to do very well, granted, but why on earth does it have to affect people that are in no way shape or form connected or even close to the trigger?

was travelling from Caldari space through Gallente and TiDi just makes the game absolutely unplayable , its takes 5 minutes to jump from 1 system to another

TiDi @ 10 for at least a dozen system i went through, it takes ages to move anywhere

To fix battle lag in 0.0, people nowhere near those systems have to lag to hell as well ?? thats the point of this solution ?

Didn't used to get blackscreens from jumping in Empire when there was big battles going on in Low and Null so whats your point? Since Gorenaire was in Empire at the time and well away from the fight.

If you two had paid any attention to the technical details behind how the EVE cluster works, then you would know exactly why this happened.

A good one since it lets you travel through those systems rather than show you nothing and/or just dump you to the login screen.

If CCP has thought about the natural evolution of the game in the beginning the implementation wouldn't have been so bashed together that it wouldn't take 50 man-year to fix it.

TiDi is a good system for creating an artificial fine-grained lag and to delay the moment of death for a node, but it does not reduce lag nor does it avoid bad node planning. It only indicates, visualises and manages lag. It even can lure you into thinking that it could be used to reduce lag, which it cannot do and makes it more dangerous than helpful.

TiDi is a good system for creating an artificial fine-grained lag

it does not reduce lag nor does it avoid bad node planning.

It then seems dumb to me not to anticipate spikes in systems where there is already a regular flow of players going through and while one cannot use jump drives in high-sec. These systems are bound to become bottlenecks. TiDi does not change this it seems. So what good is it?

It has absolutely nothing to do with creating "fine-grained lag", the purpose of TiDi is graceful degradation.

No. It does not create lag. It create graceful degradation of node performance in high-lag situation by altering the speed of the local world simulation to reduce the number of server calls to manageable levels.

You can only have GÇ£node planningGÇ¥ if you know what the nodes will be used for. In a dynamic environment, that's pretty much impossible, so GÇ£avoidingGÇ¥ it is just as impossible as planning it is to begin with.

That is exactly what an artificial fine-grained lag does.

It is not a real improvement but merely an early warning system.

Yes, it does exactly that. I slows your client down.

Sure, but these systems are known travel systems.

It does not GÇ£create artifical lagGÇ¥ (fine-grained or otherwise). It ensures that the lag that already exists doesn't make server calls get lost in the processing queue by slowing down how quickly they can enter that queue.

No, it's an actual improvement, and not a warning system. It ensures that high lag doesn't immediately cause people to get lost in the server processing.

GǪwhich isn't the same thing as lag. Quite the opposite. Lag means it takes longer for things to repond, or maybe ...

There's also no way to tell if one supposedly low-load system will suddenly go into high-gear because someone chooses to do something particularly spectacular there.

What causes the lag? It is too many clients sending too many request to a node. So clients are being slowed down. The lag is moved artificially onto the clients

No. It does not eliminate the problem, it stretches it out.

Does your client not take longer to respond when TiDi is active? I think it does.

But when you do know that some systems are frequently visited should this be taken into account. Do you disagree?

"I like to create posts and complain about stuff I have no clue about and couldn't be arsed to research well before wasting everyone's time.
Oh and I suck".

Quote from OP, true story.

The lag is not GÇ¥movedGÇ¥ GÇö the clients are not lagging more just because there's TiDi. They are actually most of the time responding much more quickly than before ...

GǪlike I said, an improvement, not a warning system.

Compared to how long it would take without TiDi?

For one, how do you know they aren't? For another, how will they use that information?

Yes, the clients do slow down and everything you do.

As I said, call it what you like.

No. Compared to no lag.

The question was, do you disagree? Yes or no?

GǪwhich isn't lag. It's slow-motion.

I call it a time-keeping device. It doesn't warn anyone of anything since there is nothing in it that indicates that there's any kind of problem.

GǪin other words, compared to how long it would take without TiDi. Yes, with TiDi, the client responds more quickly.

And I answered: it makes no difference in a dynamic environment.

Then, again, call it what you like.

You should read again what you wrote there.

The clients do not lag at all, with or without TiDi. As I said is it only an artificial lag, which is created on the client side. It is the node that fails to respond to the many clients.

Come on, you can do it: yes or no?

One way to solve this would be somekind of assist module for these nullsec puppies. For me this looks like they don't know how to play this game so they always need 1000+ ships to do simple stuff.

The "assist module" you refer to already exists; it's called "bring friends".

20 friends and their alts.

Slow-motion isn't lag.

Ok. Now what? There is still nothing about the TiDi meter that shows that something is going wrong.

I can and I did: it makes no difference in a dynamic environment. Your false dichotomy doesn't stop being false just because you repeat it.

The clients do not lag at all, with or without TiDi. As I said is it only an artificial lag, which is created on the client side. It is the node that fails to respond to the many clients.

Ask others and see what they say.

As I said does TiDi bear a danger. People might think they should just keep entering a system with TiDi, instead of taking notice of the warning they are being given and to avoid pushing TiDi to its limit.

There is nothing shameful about agree with me, Tippia.

I'm interested to know what concept of assist module would work when the other guys bring 1000 friends?

Well if TiDi is supposed to solve lag problem in a system due to lots of people in it and it creates tons of lag in a dozen others systems, what kind of solution is that ?

One way to solve this would be somekind of assist module for these nullsec puppies. For me this looks like they don't know how to play this game so they always need 1000+ ships to do simple stuff.

You might not realise it but huge fleet fights are fun, and they bring in new players who love the idea of warfare on that scale.

Do you have any idea what "lag" actually is?

They will say that slow-motion isn't lag.

What warning is that? All TiDi does in terms of showing stuff is say how slowly time is running.

Good thing that I don't have to worry about that, then.