This is abit strange. I even click Undock every now and then just in case request got lost somewhere.

I almost forgot, on the "early warning system" nonsense...

It is not (and was never intended to be) a way to convince players to stop doing what they are doing because they are causing lag.

TiDi enables play to continue despite high lag conditions.

Quite a different thing.

No, not a different thing, only a different view.

You can ignore the warning of course and push TiDi all the way.

This is abit strange. I even click Undock every now and then just in case request got lost somewhere.

Well that wont be helping, as you're sending a new request every time you do that (and possibly? cancelling your old request)

Press it once, and go make some tea or something, mayby read a book? Heck, read about TiDi in the meantime, you might learn something

No, not a different thing, only a different view. You can ignore the warning of course and push TiDi all the way.

No, not a different thing, only a different view. You can ignore the warning of course and push TiDi all the way.

Incorrect.

No. There is no GÇ£stillGÇ¥ about it.

It slows down the simulation running on the node, yes.

It has pretty much none of the effects of lag

No. It slows down the server's simulation and syncs up the client's simulation so it does the same. It doesn't warn anyone since, on the client side, it's just a real-to-simulated-time-ratio meter. Again, it's still real lag. TiDi just removes the nasty effects of it by ensuring that the server doesn't get completely lost in that high-lag environment.

No not really.

No, no it really isn't a different view, and it really isn't a warning.

No. Your client often has to wait for a response and cannot send further requests until the server has processed the previous requests. Thus the requests send by the client are slowing down, meaning, the client is sending less requests.

Yes, you, the player, are still being slowed down regardless if you are experiencing real lag or TiDi. The node can only process so many client requests.

I am still talking of the node's ability to process requests.

If you cannot understand it this way then ask yourself if the node has gotten faster in its ability to process requests when TiDi is active.

You are free to ignore it. It still warns you about your game slowing down. If you enjoy it or find it pretty is entirely up to you. Maybe you are slow and the game has got too many buttons for you and like a slower game. Everyone is different. I see it as a warning system.

You are free to ignore it. It still warns you about your game slowing down. If you enjoy it or find it pretty is entirely up to you. Maybe you are slow and the game has got too many buttons for you and like a slower game. Everyone is different.

Wait, what? My client has to wait for a response because of TiDi? Since when?

That has nothing to do with lag. Slowing down the server-side simulation reduces lag.

No, you have to wait. TiDi slows down time.

This is what it has to do with lag.

No, you have to wait. TiDi slows down time.


This is what it has to do with lag.

Its not a warning, its a response.

was travelling from Caldari space through Gallente and TiDi just makes the game absolutely unplayable , its takes 5 minutes to jump from 1 system to another

TiDi @ 10 for at least a dozen system i went through, it takes ages to move anywhere

To fix battle lag in 0.0, people nowhere near those systems have to lag to hell as well ?? thats the point of this solution ?

Most warnings are a response.

You may wonder what a road sign for a train crossing is a response to. It is a response to people not wanting to get others killed by trains and so they put up a sign to warn you of crossing trains. It does not mean that everyone will get killed who crosses the track. You may see a no-parking sign as a punishment, but it really is a warning for you not to park there. You can try to park there for a short time and may not get a fine. Same with TiDi. It warns you about the node getting close to its limit. You are not really in control of who else enters a system and so may decide to leave it.

It is only smart to take it as a warning. You may not be part of a fight in which case you would only do others, who are fighting, a favour by leaving the system.

So the gates to a system with TiDi enabled tells me that I'm about to jump into a system which is on the same node as a system where there's a big fight going on?

So what you're saying is, a warp taking longer is "lag"?

So tidi is bad because it reduces lag.

Sort of. It is the same, but it is not identical. To get from A to B during real lag with everything taking 30 minutes to respond is the same as looking at the warp animation during TiDi for 30 minutes. It still takes 30 minutes to get from A to B.

Instead of having a real lag, caused by the node's inability to process all requests are the clients being slowed down in order to send less requests. The difference between a real lag and an artificial lag is simply a technical one where the real lag is caused by hardware limits and the artificial lag is caused by a limiting software.

No. It is better than a disconnect, but it is only a work-around and when players do not take it as a warning is it of little use. Better would be to have faster hardware.

Sort of. It is the same, but it is not identical. To get from A to B during real lag with everything taking 30 minutes to respond is the same as looking at the warp animation during TiDi for 30 minutes. It still takes 30 minutes to get from A to B.

Instead of having a real lag, caused by the node's inability to process all requests are the clients being slowed down in order to send less requests. The difference between a real lag and an artificial lag is simply a technical one where the real lag is caused by hardware limits and the artificial lag is caused by a limiting software.

No. It is better than a disconnect, but it is only a work-around and when players do not take it as a warning is it of little use. Better would be to have faster hardware.

Uhhmm fun thread....

I might have misunderstood this completely but isn't the idea behind TiDi to no slow down request resolving but slowdown the simulation.

So in essence the server uses more time to respond to request instead of recalculating the location of all ships and such things?

So all your requests are handled in time as they should. To do this it uses less time to update the simulation calculating positions, movements and events(such as missile explosions).

To do this the server simple does the simulation calculation less frequent. At normal time the server runs the simulation calculation 1 time every second I think. With TiDi it does this less and less often up to some point.

The result is that all the things you see goes slower but you requests are handled in time.

I think I said the same as most other people but maybe with a few different words, hope ti helps someone....

So the gates to a system with TiDi enabled tells me that I'm about to jump into a system which is on the same node as a system where there's a big fight going on?

OP has seen TiDi on a travel route, which at the time had 50-80 players in them. The map did not show a high count of destroyed ships for these systems but in two nearby systems.

Possibly, but I do not now all the details and have to deduct from what I see. What I see is that not all of EVE gets to see the message and so it has to be restricted to some systems. OP has seen TiDi on a travel route, which at the time had 50-80 players in them. The map did not show a high count of destroyed ships for these systems but in two nearby systems.