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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:28:00 -
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Picture the scene... you and your plucky fleet of brave outlaws are cutting around Low Security space in a light role fleet composing of HACs/Interceptors and one or two logistics for good measure. Hell, maybe you even have one outlaw in your gang. Danger strikes... you run afoul of some wartargets or pirates on a gate... one man screams for reps, but he's an outlaw. The plucky logistics pilots rep him up and are flagged. Fail cascade ensues.
What I propose:
GCC is only incured if rending assistance to another player who has GCC.
What this enables for Outlaws, either as Corps or individuals within Corps is more versatility when fighting on gates vs war targets or other outlaws. Keep in mind the number of outlaws within faction warfare etc and this has far wider benefits than the odd outlaw who turns to a bit of anti piracy at the weekend.
Although a lot of you can Hurf Blurf and say 'you did the crime, take the punishment' the current system still leaves outlaws at a disadvantage when facing legitimate war targets.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.28 22:29:00 -
[2]
Supporting dis.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:02:00 -
[3]
Edited by: Drake Draconis on 28/05/2009 23:02:25
"....Aiding and Abetting(sp?) an criminal...."
As to my position on this... remains to be seen.
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Xailz
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:22:00 -
[4]
Yes yes and yes
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FU22
Beyond Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:25:00 -
[5]
at first i thought this was a terrible idea and then thought about it.
Going to support this as it has very little effect for when pirates are shooting neutrals.
Pirate 1 is shot at by neutrals.
Pirate 2 reps pirate 1, and then opens up on neutrals giving GCC
Pirate 2 gets primaried
Pirate 1 Reps pirate 2 and for reppin someone with GCC gets his own GCC.
Supporting this 
I mean its not like its easy being -10 anyway so surely this can't hurt
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 02:39:00 -
[6]
Clarification question:
Would someone giving rep to a target incur aggro to their aggressor in this scenario?
Example:
Outlaw with non-outlaw friends. Outlaw is attacked by another fleet. Outlaw receives reps from non-outlaw friends.
Does the other fleet now have the option to attack the non-outlaw reppers without a GCC?
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Shigsy
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.29 02:46:00 -
[7]
Supporting this
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Skarned
Inroads
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Posted - 2009.05.29 02:57:00 -
[8]
Great proposal. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.05.29 03:11:00 -
[9]
 Originally by: Jimer Lins
Clarification question:
Would someone giving rep to a target incur aggro to their aggressor in this scenario?
Example:
Outlaw with non-outlaw friends. Outlaw is attacked by another fleet. Outlaw receives reps from non-outlaw friends.
Does the other fleet now have the option to attack the non-outlaw reppers without a GCC?
Would want this clarification as well.
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Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:45:00 -
[10]
Supporting this.
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TheLibrarian
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:56:00 -
[11]
Edited by: TheLibrarian on 29/05/2009 04:57:11
This should totally happen. So many times have we fought other flashys, but since we remote rep even if none of us have GCC, we get GCC get shot by gateguns.
SUPPORTING THIS!
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.05.29 05:00:00 -
[12]
I approve of this message.
My sig don't fracking work. |
Shinichi Hakeda
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Posted - 2009.05.29 05:15:00 -
[13]
Yes yes yes!
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.05.29 05:20:00 -
[14]
Definitely got my support.
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Lyvenrith Imshadar
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.05.29 05:58:00 -
[15]
Supporting this.
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Gavin Darklighter
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.29 06:54:00 -
[16]
support
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Jean
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.29 08:04:00 -
[17]
Lark my HERO <3 wub
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.05.29 08:04:00 -
[18]
Supporting.
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Muad' Dib
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.29 09:42:00 -
[19]
ggg
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K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House
BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 09:54:00 -
[20]
please
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.29 10:22:00 -
[21]
Yep.
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Karentaki
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.29 10:38:00 -
[22]
Supported.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:03:00 -
[23]
♥
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:30:00 -
[24]
a csm we can believe in(well besides a few others) ;-p +support
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Noelle Fay
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:40:00 -
[25]
Oh yeah.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:50:00 -
[26]
Hmmm. Would repping an outlaw without a GCC make the repper show as an outlaw too?
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Asmodean Reborn
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.05.29 12:10:00 -
[27]
yep
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.29 13:21:00 -
[28]
Needed.
The mechanic as existing is just one more unnecessary artificial barrier between player interaction between those whom are outlaw status and those who have + sec status.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.05.29 14:41:00 -
[29]
This seems reasonable.
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Jogvan
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.29 15:22:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Clarification question:
Would someone giving rep to a target incur aggro to their aggressor in this scenario?
Example:
Outlaw with non-outlaw friends. Outlaw is attacked by another fleet. Outlaw receives reps from non-outlaw friends.
Does the other fleet now have the option to attack the non-outlaw reppers without a GCC?
Isn't that how it works with neutrals repping a wartarget/loot thief in hisec? It would work the same way in losec too then.
Thumbs up from me 
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ToTheCore
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 17:11:00 -
[31]
Supported
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.29 18:34:00 -
[32]
yuppers
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soldieroffortune 258
Imperium Forces
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.29 19:54:00 -
[33]
hilarious watching a bunch of well known pirates supporting the Pirate CSM's idea, lol
supported
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50freefly
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.29 22:46:00 -
[34]
Definitely.
That being said, you should vote Larkonis Trassler for CSM.
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warwillbegin
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Posted - 2009.05.29 22:48:00 -
[35]
Supported!
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Anderson Williams
Neo Catamites
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.29 22:48:00 -
[36]
SUUUUUUport
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Kaya Valda
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.29 22:54:00 -
[37]
I support this.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.05.29 23:16:00 -
[38]
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Darus Te'rashad
The Forbidden Hunters
Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2009.05.29 23:37:00 -
[39]
Supported.
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Carnelian X
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Posted - 2009.05.29 23:39:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Carnelian X on 29/05/2009 23:39:09
At the moment we have the following farcical scene:
Pirate Fleet On Gate - gun ignores them
2nd Pirate Fleet warps in - gun ignores them
Pirates fight each other - gun ignores them
Pirates pop - pirates are podded - gun ignore them
Cyno goes up - capitals start shooting -gun ignores them
Someone puts a remote rep on.... HOLY ****E!!! HES USING A REMOTE REP!!!! GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!
Youve got a situation where capital ships are blatting hell out of each other without even the slightest interest from the gate guns but if you DARE put on one remot rep - they go ape
SUPPORT THIS
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Aydae
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Posted - 2009.05.30 03:18:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Aydae on 30/05/2009 03:18:45
Supported. |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.30 08:37:00 -
[42]
Edited by: TraininVain on 30/05/2009 08:40:21
I support the lack of gun aggro , thumbs up to that, but I'm not sure if the RRing ship shouldn't become outlaw flagged for repping an outlaw for a certain time period.
Now while I agree it's unfair to the blinky pie that the logistics gets gun aggro I'm not sure if it's fair to everyone else that the logistics does not become outlaw flagged for repping an outlaw, if that makes sense.
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Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2009.05.30 09:14:00 -
[43]
supported
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Totally Hopeless
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Posted - 2009.05.30 09:39:00 -
[44]
Good lord yes, supporting the heck out of this!!!
There's nothing so frustrating as having my own corpmate come under fire at a gate (he's -10) and be completely unable to lend assistance with my logi (I'm -10, too, but he's in my corp!).
Now, if I'm in Corp B, he's in another corp/alliance entirely and -10, and I choose to rep him... well, I deserve the sec hit, but not the GCC if he is not the initiating combatant!!!
Granted, I should not be allowed to jump/dock for the requisite time period after repping him... if he's in my corp or not.
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Alexis Cato
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Posted - 2009.05.30 11:20:00 -
[45]
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:36:00 -
[46]
Regards
Mag's |
Jalif
Black Sinisters
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Posted - 2009.05.30 15:58:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Jalif on 30/05/2009 15:57:48
I like that.
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Jared D'Uroth
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Posted - 2009.05.30 17:53:00 -
[48]
yep.
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Merw
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.30 18:44:00 -
[49]
Makes sense since helping someone kill someone with a gcc shouldnt be illegal.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:32:00 -
[50]
Supported.
No sense in receiving a GCC for repping an outlaw who is currently not doing anything. You can rep neutrals in highsec with no complications practically, why this one?
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Leyline777
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:21:00 -
[51]
supported.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:31:00 -
[52]
Supported. Feel free to flag the logistics to the same players/corps that the outlaw is flagged to, but GCC is ******ed.
The opinions expressed in my posts do represent my corp
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.05.31 01:10:00 -
[53]
agreed
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il sakasanje
Breed of Malakka
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:24:00 -
[54]
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Lunewraith
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:03:00 -
[55]
I'll support any measure which lowers arbitrary restrictions on PVP, and this is a sensible one.
Do a little work, get a free PLEX card! |
Zarevn
Val'andil Tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:41:00 -
[56]
Supported.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:58:00 -
[57]
So say we all.
Originally by: Stitcher
It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Skira Ranos
Blood Money Inc.
Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.31 14:29:00 -
[58]
Completely and totally yes?
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Sakos Vartrow
Rapscallions
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Posted - 2009.05.31 15:32:00 -
[59]
Supported
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Mer Mann
Zero Gravitas Limited
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:38:00 -
[60]
Yes!
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:57:00 -
[61]
supported. Not sure what else to say because any counter argument is just silly in my opinion.
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Sytoru Hiroshyma
SkillzKillz
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Posted - 2009.05.31 19:51:00 -
[62]
sounds like a plan!
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Kelron Queldine
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:35:00 -
[63]
Suggested this ages ago and got ignored/misunderstood. So, yeah. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:46:00 -
[64]
Supported.
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Destroyer1020
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Posted - 2009.05.31 22:11:00 -
[65]
yay logistics boost....win
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Random Womble
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2009.05.31 23:06:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Random Womble on 31/05/2009 23:06:03
Argee with this not so much because of the logistics ships issue (and i fly logistics alot) but more because an outlaw cant even remote rep his own drones (normal ships not that important but fighters are a diffrent issue mainly due to cost) without getting global crim which tbh is just plain stupid.
Btw if you do fly logistics legitimately (i.e. player corp not hiding from wars to remote rep) go read PitBoss' Neutral/Alt Remote repping thread and make them see that giving remote repping an agression countdown would screw up logistics.
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Kaito Haakkainen
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Posted - 2009.05.31 23:58:00 -
[67]
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Jhagiti Tyran
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2009.06.01 10:46:00 -
[68]
Thumbs up.
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mduncan0341
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.01 14:05:00 -
[69]
supporting
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Yorba
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:06:00 -
[70]
Supported!
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Kasi Kasai
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:43:00 -
[71]
Reppers being flagged was introduced for a reason.
Out of corp invulnerable reppers in high sec and faction wars, remember them? You want to wind the clock back to that?
No support. |
Grann Thefauto
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:32:00 -
[72]
yup.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:42:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kasi Kasai
Reppers being flagged was introduced for a reason.
Out of corp invulnerable reppers in high sec and faction wars, remember them? You want to wind the clock back to that?
No support.
Hi, did you even read the OP? This has nothing to do with neutral remote reppers in Hisec.
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Stil Harkonnen
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:06:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kasi Kasai
Reppers being flagged was introduced for a reason.
Out of corp invulnerable reppers in high sec and faction wars, remember them? You want to wind the clock back to that?
No support.
read before posting PLEASE.
I need that facepalm picture cause i can't explain in words how stupid what you just said was...
We're dealing about people getting GCC cause they're remote repping outlaws WITHOUT GCC. explain a situation where somebody in a high sec war is going to be remote repping an outlaw from a different corp....
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Kadere Isendre
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:20:00 -
[75]
100% supported in this corner. Lets make fair fights fair.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.06.03 03:05:00 -
[76]
Supported! (Makes no sense to undock a carrier just to rep pilots who are too cheap to pay for repairs/too lazy to dock and refit  jk)
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Raimo
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:21:00 -
[77]
Oh, this would be good...
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 17:42:00 -
[78]
Supported.
Getting a 15 Minute GCC just by repping up 2-3 damaged ships with a Logistic(after a battle and after GCC) just because your mate is outlaw compleetly sucks.
Getting a GCC for repping someone that got GCC is fine, getting GCC and Sec penalty just because the target is a Outlaw isnŠt. 
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Yahrr
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.06.12 01:57:00 -
[79]
supported
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Kalintos Tyl
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Posted - 2009.06.12 09:59:00 -
[80]
REEPING YOUR OWN DRONES MAKE GCC FOR YOU IF YOU ARE UNDER -5 THIS IS RIDICULUS |
Guru Saurfang
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Posted - 2009.06.12 11:21:00 -
[81]
Why was this mechanic introduced in the first place?
Fully support ! |
Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.06.12 23:02:00 -
[82]
Supported. Stupid mechanic is stupid and pretty terrible. |
Natasha Zenith
Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2009.06.16 03:18:00 -
[83]
Yes please, its just silly the way it works now.
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Dallin Dominion
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.07.15 11:04:00 -
[84]
Supported!
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke |
Robbie Robot
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Posted - 2009.09.21 03:28:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Carnelian X
Edited by: Carnelian X on 29/05/2009 23:55:11
At the moment we have the following farcical scene:
Pirate Fleet On Gate - gun ignores them
2nd Pirate Fleet warps in - gun ignores them
Pirates fight each other - gun ignores them
Pirates pop - pirates are podded - gun ignore them
Cyno goes up - capitals start shooting -gun ignores them
Someone puts a remote rep on.... HOLY ****E!!! HES USING A REMOTE REP!!!! GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!
Youve got a situation where capital ships are blatting hell out of each other without even the slightest interest from the gate guns but if you DARE put on one remot rep - they go ape
SUPPORT THIS
Quoted for hilarity. I have flown a logistics for a few weeks. It is really silly that I get GCC when I rep people that don't have it.
a quick question, if I rep someone that has a security status of 1.0 that has GCC, do I get GCC then? I'd assume yes, why not just keep that mechanic. You rep someone with GCC, you get GCC, and the same sec status hit they get. Its bad enough that if you fly a logistics you don't get on the killmail.
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Th3rm
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.21 06:22:00 -
[86]
I agree :)
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irion felpamy
Minmatar
HellJumpers Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.21 09:04:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sytoru Hiroshyma
sounds like a plan!
You are just to lazy to rat.
Just to check if someone attacks a blinky he can be RR'ed without taking a GCC? Basicly allowing you to aid an outlaw against a +sec pilot without a GCC. Need less of this no-agression RR stupidity not more.
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Ancy Denaries
The Confederate Navy
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2009.09.21 13:39:00 -
[88]
MASSIVE support. If you rep an outlaw you shouldn't incurr a GCC unless he currently has a GCC. Repping an outlaw should however work the same way as repping anyone else = Agressed towards any people HE is agressed to.
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Actumarius
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:34:00 -
[89]
Yes Pls
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.24 02:48:00 -
[90]
Supported, hell yes.
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
MASSIVE support. If you rep an outlaw you shouldn't incurr a GCC unless he currently has a GCC. Repping an outlaw should however work the same way as repping anyone else = Agressed towards any people HE is agressed to.
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