What you seem to be missing is the fact that 'traditionally' in EVE Mercs offered their services in a wardec to decced corps for ~50 million ISK a week per member of the deccing corp. They also request all info on deccing corp, situations surrounding the Dec, and ask that you relay all this before they will give a final quote and help you.

Now I only checked into this once, but it was ~ 400 million a week to Dec a 5 man Corp with moderately well skilled PvPers plus all cost associated with ship loss in the War was on the Decee. I think I talked with something like 3-4 Merc Alliances/Corps.

EVE players like to make ISK, and if it is garnered from some hapless fools who can't defend themselves, then so much the better.

Seems you missed the obvious and click reducing step of linking this to the standings system and letting your allies by standings be allies in war.

The devblog itself was excellent. SoniClover did a fantastic job of laying out the details of how the new systems are going to work, and deserves credit for that. Everyone laying the blame for what they perceive will go wrong once the expansion is deployed at his feet and the feet of everyone else in Team SuperFriends is silly and wrong. So, props to SoniClover.

That said, there clearly are some real issues to be taken into account with these changes and some really good points being brought up. Not everything is going to work perfectly as described, and there are some real serious changes that need to be made in upcoming months to iron out this system into something workable and effective that we as players can enjoy.

Yes please!

Then we can dec a small renter alliance and instantly be at war with half of nullsec! Please, please, CCP, do this!

And you think that won't happen with the new system anyway?

Hey guys

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list, as well as changes that will inevitably emergence once we see the system used. Once Inferno goes out it will be easier to start putting a date on some of these things.

And you think that won't happen with the new system anyway?

Hey guys

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list, as well as changes that will inevitably emergence once we see the system used. Once Inferno goes out it will be easier to start putting a date on some of these things.

Hey guys

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list, as well as changes that will inevitably emergence once we see the system used. Once Inferno goes out it will be easier to start putting a date on some of these things.

Hey guys

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list, as well as changes that will inevitably emergence once we see the system used. Once Inferno goes out it will be easier to start putting a date on some of these things.

So now you plan to see how people uses the wardec system?

Couldn't you had done that six months ago, before you started figuring the wrong solutions to the wrong issues for the wrong reasons and against everybody's advice?

The new system.

We have a shortlist of stuff we'd like to iterate on and we'll meet with the CSM to hear theirs too.

Regarding incentives to fight wars (whether as aggressor or defender), it is our belief that the main incentives should not be created by the war mechanic itself. The war mechanic is just a tool by which players can legally engage other players, but why they want to do so isn't handled by the war mechanic system itself (and shouldn't be). .....

So defenders can bring in as many allies as they want for no cost other than the fee that the ally requests?

You realize that what this does is make it even less attractive for the Average Joe corp to declare war on people they have legitimate grievances with since they will be able to bring in an infinite number of allies and the attacker has no means to respond.

Rather than doing something to address the fact that wars are "underutilized" all this and the cost changes does is draw an even greater dividing line between people who do wars as their primary form of gameplay and everyone else in highsec by making starting a war so undesirable for anyone whose primary form of gameplay isn't wars that it will never be worth declaring war on someone who's done you wrong.

Post expansion war will be an even less viable option for 99% of highsec inhabitants than it is now. This expansion is a joke, and the advertisements that refer to it as "war fueled" are fraudulent.

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list

Hey guys

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list, as well as changes that will inevitably emergence once we see the system used. Once Inferno goes out it will be easier to start putting a date on some of these things.

Hey guys

We're looking at ways to iterate on the system post release. Contract length and allies in mutual wars are pretty high on the list, as well as changes that will inevitably emergence once we see the system used. Once Inferno goes out it will be easier to start putting a date on some of these things.

The new system.

We have a shortlist of stuff we'd like to iterate on and we'll meet with the CSM to hear theirs too.

Please, I have a question!

If i am in a miner corp and someone wardecs us solely to prevent us from playing the game, how exactly can we avoid being at war and keep playing w/o surrendering to blackmail or dismantling our corporation?

Thank you in advance!

How did CCP let this get released without seeing some of the major problems that it will cause. This system is just going to open up a can of worms, maybe thats what they wanted.

Sure? Well then, I suggest you to iterate this:



That was asked on March 29th, and as far as I know, nobody answered it yet.

Remember CCP the reason you are seeing so much BS about your new system on this topic is because these idiots are watching their favorite pastime of griefing and basically forcing other players out of their groups or out of EVE for a week, fall apart before their very eyes.


Some of the points are good. Mutual war means both sides get allies. Sounds fair to me.

I also think that you should declare using mutual to trap allies into a war is an exploit for now and allow GM action on those who do until a proper fix is in place.

Most of what else is just people whining about having to face uncertainty and the blob for once. Please continue to allow allies to join the defense in any number for no cost.