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S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:03:00 - [1] Edited by: S'Daria on 26/09/2004 04:03:02 With the advent of system scanning in Shiva I propose the following to change the dynamics of 0.0 space travel: 1. Don't show people in Local (but people can still talk in it) 2. Remove "Pilots in Space" information 3. Add "Pilot in Space" infomation to corps/alliances that own a station in that system 4. Add Probes that would relay scanner information Probes are special drones that relay scanner information that can be sent though a gate. Pirates on the other side can jam or destroy them before they have a chance to relay information. A corp/alliance that owns a station in a system would get the "Pilots in Space" information as they do today. If a corp/alliance does not own a station in a system its a "blind-spot" that can be exploited by unwelcomed visitors requiring PC pirates to patrol these systems. Unwelcomed visitors can just keep their system scanners running continuously and see the PC pilot and react accordingly.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:03:00 - [2] Edited by: S'Daria on 26/09/2004 04:03:02 With the advent of system scanning in Shiva I propose the following to change the dynamics of 0.0 space travel: 1. Don't show people in Local (but people can still talk in it) 2. Remove "Pilots in Space" information 3. Add "Pilot in Space" infomation to corps/alliances that own a station in that system 4. Add Probes that would relay scanner information Probes are special drones that relay scanner information that can be sent though a gate. Pirates on the other side can jam or destroy them before they have a chance to relay information. A corp/alliance that owns a station in a system would get the "Pilots in Space" information as they do today. If a corp/alliance does not own a station in a system its a "blind-spot" that can be exploited by unwelcomed visitors requiring PC pirates to patrol these systems. Unwelcomed visitors can just keep their system scanners running continuously and see the PC pilot and react accordingly.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:04:00 - [3] In 0.0 ofcourse
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:04:00 - [4] In 0.0 ofcourse
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:06:00 - [5] Oh, and add system scanners that alliances can install in their stations. This will relay "Pilots in Space" information to those in the alliance if they have a station in the system.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:06:00 - [6] Oh, and add system scanners that alliances can install in their stations. This will relay "Pilots in Space" information to those in the alliance if they have a station in the system.
slapp	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:06:00 - [7] ehrm, no?
slapp	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:06:00 - [8] ehrm, no?
Jonny Damordred	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:43:00 - [9] People already asked CCP for this. CCP had a vote of the playerbase and there were not enough votes to get rid of it. Plz move along, nothing to see here. Jonny D. ----- Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
Jonny Damordred	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:43:00 - [10] People already asked CCP for this. CCP had a vote of the playerbase and there were not enough votes to get rid of it. Plz move along, nothing to see here. Jonny D. ----- Jonny Damordred: Political attachÚ of the Drunken Horde.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:44:00 - [11] Where was this "vote"?
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 19:44:00 - [12] Where was this "vote"?
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2004.09.22 20:20:00 - [13] It WAS on the right of your screen while viewing the forums.....key word WAS
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2004.09.22 20:20:00 - [14] It WAS on the right of your screen while viewing the forums.....key word WAS
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2004.09.22 20:35:00 - [15] my bet is that half of the voters that voted no were carebears that didn't even know what was going on, saw 0.0 in the vote and just thought "0.0 = NO!" and the other half's prob. alt's of the above. If you've got a reason for it to stay which isn't just "I want 0.0 to be safer" spill it please. How about changing the local (Solarsystem local) to "local Region Chat" or atleast "local constellation chat". I mean it's like this now: "I jump into a 0.0 system and see 5 members of a pirate corp on local, hmm? Maybe, just mayybee they're camping. I'd better get on my safespot and scan all the gates for 2 hours and see if I can pass through, why pay them when I can just wait for them to disappear from local? HaHaHa Pir4t3zXz i r0lz0r teh j0o!!111" and since I'm whining anyways.. kill insta-bm's, safespots, +3 or more wcs's on a single ship and 0.8+ mining.
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2004.09.22 20:35:00 - [16] my bet is that half of the voters that voted no were carebears that didn't even know what was going on, saw 0.0 in the vote and just thought "0.0 = NO!" and the other half's prob. alt's of the above. If you've got a reason for it to stay which isn't just "I want 0.0 to be safer" spill it please. How about changing the local (Solarsystem local) to "local Region Chat" or atleast "local constellation chat". I mean it's like this now: "I jump into a 0.0 system and see 5 members of a pirate corp on local, hmm? Maybe, just mayybee they're camping. I'd better get on my safespot and scan all the gates for 2 hours and see if I can pass through, why pay them when I can just wait for them to disappear from local? HaHaHa Pir4t3zXz i r0lz0r teh j0o!!111" and since I'm whining anyways.. kill insta-bm's, safespots, +3 or more wcs's on a single ship and 0.8+ mining.
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.09.22 21:44:00 - [17] Originally by: S'Daria Edited by: S'Daria on 22/09/2004 19:06:04 Come on CCP...especially with System scanning in Shiva these two features should be disabled. Don't forget to add default "region" channels (not manned by players). kthxbye You must have missed when this topic was debated to death and back, like a month ago. It was a dumb idea then, it's a dumb idea now. Regards, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.09.22 21:44:00 - [18] Originally by: S'Daria Edited by: S'Daria on 22/09/2004 19:06:04 Come on CCP...especially with System scanning in Shiva these two features should be disabled. Don't forget to add default "region" channels (not manned by players). kthxbye You must have missed when this topic was debated to death and back, like a month ago. It was a dumb idea then, it's a dumb idea now. Regards, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
markol	Posted - 2004.09.22 22:47:00 - [19] I have voted against this measure back in my carebear days. Of course when I was sucking roids through a straw, I was afraid that some meanie will come and take them away. Now I am on the other side of the sucking fence. Now I am the one hunting the roid killers. I want to be silent while I enter the system. I want to change my vote! Disable the persons in local.
markol	Posted - 2004.09.22 22:47:00 - [20] I have voted against this measure back in my carebear days. Of course when I was sucking roids through a straw, I was afraid that some meanie will come and take them away. Now I am on the other side of the sucking fence. Now I am the one hunting the roid killers. I want to be silent while I enter the system. I want to change my vote! Disable the persons in local.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 22:55:00 - [21] Disable Local: I don't see the reason why, with system scanning available in Shiva, that you need local chat. Make default "regional" chats (not run by players), that you can sign in on if you want like the "Help" channel, except its called "Curse". Disable Pilots in Space: This helps both sides. I can see this being available in empire space where CONCORD keeps track of peoples' ship, but in 0.0 there is no CONCORD. Allow alliance members access to Pilots who have a station (with a special module), installed in a station in that system: If an alliance actually owns a station in a system they could install a system-wide scanner that would relay the pilots in space to all the people in their alliance. If they don't have a station in that system then its a blind-spot in their territory.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.22 22:55:00 - [22] Disable Local: I don't see the reason why, with system scanning available in Shiva, that you need local chat. Make default "regional" chats (not run by players), that you can sign in on if you want like the "Help" channel, except its called "Curse". Disable Pilots in Space: This helps both sides. I can see this being available in empire space where CONCORD keeps track of peoples' ship, but in 0.0 there is no CONCORD. Allow alliance members access to Pilots who have a station (with a special module), installed in a station in that system: If an alliance actually owns a station in a system they could install a system-wide scanner that would relay the pilots in space to all the people in their alliance. If they don't have a station in that system then its a blind-spot in their territory.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.09.22 23:01:00 - [23] I think you lot who say they aren't going to remove "pilots in space" and only have a chat channel (no names unless someone speaks) are going to get a wonderful shock come shiva. Oh yes.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.09.22 23:01:00 - [24] I think you lot who say they aren't going to remove "pilots in space" and only have a chat channel (no names unless someone speaks) are going to get a wonderful shock come shiva. Oh yes.
Ashelth	Posted - 2004.09.23 02:22:00 - [25] Remove local ONLY if you also remove the map functions that detect pilots in systems. Fair's fair. Everyone should be blind in every aspect
Ashelth	Posted - 2004.09.23 02:22:00 - [26] Remove local ONLY if you also remove the map functions that detect pilots in systems. Fair's fair. Everyone should be blind in every aspect
Weston McArthur	Posted - 2004.09.23 03:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Weston McArthur on 23/09/2004 03:10:05 Edited by: Weston McArthur on 23/09/2004 03:07:45 Don't forget to disable the forums, too. People might post here about gate camps or something. Seriously though, how about if no 0.0 systems were on the map AT ALL, and you couldn't set a waypoint to any of them? And! The jump gate destinations are randomized after every DT to prevent people from posting maps. That'd be pretty cool in a ****ed up way.
Weston McArthur	Posted - 2004.09.23 03:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Weston McArthur on 23/09/2004 03:10:05 Edited by: Weston McArthur on 23/09/2004 03:07:45 Don't forget to disable the forums, too. People might post here about gate camps or something. Seriously though, how about if no 0.0 systems were on the map AT ALL, and you couldn't set a waypoint to any of them? And! The jump gate destinations are randomized after every DT to prevent people from posting maps. That'd be pretty cool in a ****ed up way.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.23 06:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Jonny Damordred People already asked CCP for this. CCP had a vote of the playerbase and there were not enough votes to get rid of it. Lets try it again. Don't give up so easily.
S'Daria	Posted - 2004.09.23 06:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Jonny Damordred People already asked CCP for this. CCP had a vote of the playerbase and there were not enough votes to get rid of it. Lets try it again. Don't give up so easily.

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