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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Even worse its an island. Exactly how are forein arms dealers supposed to get the good stuff to you in quantitys that will make a differece when the only points of entry will be heavily guarded ports and airports? Landing on a beach at night with the stuff? Riiiight.
That's exactly how they would do it.
You really have no idea just how much coastline the UK has and just how impossible it would be to patrol it all, do you?
Add to that hundreds of uninhabited islands off the coast and there are plenty of opportunities for getting weapons in.
The IRA seemed to have little difficulty in getting weapons for 30 years.
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sp3cial forc3s
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Zeba Even worse its an island. Exactly how are forein arms dealers supposed to get the good stuff to you in quantitys that will make a differece when the only points of entry will be heavily guarded ports and airports? Landing on a beach at night with the stuff? Riiiight.
That's exactly how they would do it.
You really have no idea just how much coastline the UK has and just how impossible it would be to patrol it all, do you?
Add to that hundreds of uninhabited islands off the coast and there are plenty of opportunities for getting weapons in.
The IRA seemed to have little difficulty in getting weapons for 30 years.
Easily done mate when you've been funded by the great old US of A throughout that time. Not only do America quite happily fund terrorists, train terrorists (Taliban) they also are the worlds biggest terrorists.
Can anybody name the largest single act of terrorism in history and tell me who it was carried out by?
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Zeba Even worse its an island. Exactly how are forein arms dealers supposed to get the good stuff to you in quantitys that will make a differece when the only points of entry will be heavily guarded ports and airports? Landing on a beach at night with the stuff? Riiiight.
That's exactly how they would do it.
You really have no idea just how much coastline the UK has and just how impossible it would be to patrol it all, do you?
Add to that hundreds of uninhabited islands off the coast and there are plenty of opportunities for getting weapons in.
The IRA seemed to have little difficulty in getting weapons for 30 years.
Easily done mate when you've been funded by the great old US of A throughout that time. Not only do America quite happily fund terrorists, train terrorists (Taliban) they also are the worlds biggest terrorists.
Can anybody name the largest single act of terrorism in history and tell me who it was carried out by?
I'm well aware of NORAID and various other orginisations that raised funds and sent money back to the "old country", but I'm specifically talking about getting the weapons AFTER you have the funds :)
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Zeba Even worse its an island. Exactly how are forein arms dealers supposed to get the good stuff to you in quantitys that will make a differece when the only points of entry will be heavily guarded ports and airports? Landing on a beach at night with the stuff? Riiiight.
That's exactly how they would do it.
You really have no idea just how much coastline the UK has and just how impossible it would be to patrol it all, do you?
Add to that hundreds of uninhabited islands off the coast and there are plenty of opportunities for getting weapons in.
The IRA seemed to have little difficulty in getting weapons for 30 years.
With the cold war detection infrastructure still moastly in place and a police state situation any ship that is not sqawking a fof transponder code will get intercepted and turned away or outright destroyed. They can do this now but as there isn't currently a police state in britain or the political will to use it you are correct atm. As far as the IRA can they manage to smuggle in a few crates of ammo and guns in the current or past political and security climate? Sure. In an ultimate freedom on the line situation would a few crates of ammo and guns make a difference? Hardly. You lost the fight on the day they turned out the lights as they set the troops up and no amount of smuggled arms will change that as it was a national mental state that allowed it to happen anyways. You can't make a wolf out of a sheep even if you give it sharp teeth.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Bodrul
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s
Easily done mate when you've been funded by the great old US of A throughout that time. Not only do America quite happily fund terrorists, train terrorists (Taliban) they also are the worlds biggest terrorists.
Can anybody name the largest single act of terrorism in history and tell me who it was carried out by?
The Taliban were indirectly funded by the CIA since money was routed through pakistan which prefferd nutters having the edge since a unstable country next to them was more prefferd. hence why they are reaping the seeds that they planted now.
also the UK played a Role aswell in the afgan conflict at the time. in training them.
but there were two groups fighting the soviots One which was moderate and which ended up helping UK/US forces to get rid of the Taliban (which the US could have stopped years ago and even stopped 9/11 if it had listend to the warnings from the group) but its foreign policy at the time ment it could do jack all.
and then you have the nutters who became the Taliban. 1St Prize: EVE Conquests Board Game, 2nd Prize: EVE:Shot Glass, 3rd Prize: Eve:Caldari Keychain Free ENTRY http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1096440http://www.eveonli |
Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba With the cold war detection infrastructure still moastly in place and a police state situation any ship that is not sqawking a fof transponder code will get intercepted and turned away or outright destroyed. They can do this now but as there isn't currently a police state in britain or the political will to use it you are correct atm.
Right, but the infrastructure was in place all through the Troubles and they were still able to acquire weapons.
Quote: As far as the IRA can they manage to smuggle in a few crates of ammo and guns in the current or past political and security climate? Sure.
It's a lot more than "ammo and guns". There were significant quantities of plastic explosives, rocket launchers, grenades, SAMs... everything you would need to launch a fairly successful guerilla campaign in the circumstances you describe.
Quote: In an ultimate freedom on the line situation would a few crates of ammo and guns make a difference? Hardly. You lost the fight on the day they turned out the lights as they set the troops up and no amount of smuggled arms will change that as it was a national mental state that allowed it to happen anyways.
The British Army were in Northern Ireland for 30 years yet paramilitaries were still able to operate and carry out bombings and killings even with a full security apparatus in place.
Look at the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan for a modern day comparison - even with a full occupying force, paramilitaries and militias are able to mount fairly effective campaigns against the occupiers.
I think you underestimate the difficulty of subduing a resistance.
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EpiC Fa1L
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.07.07 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Zeba With the cold war detection infrastructure still moastly in place and a police state situation any ship that is not sqawking a fof transponder code will get intercepted and turned away or outright destroyed. They can do this now but as there isn't currently a police state in britain or the political will to use it you are correct atm.
Right, but the infrastructure was in place all through the Troubles and they were still able to acquire weapons.
Quote: As far as the IRA can they manage to smuggle in a few crates of ammo and guns in the current or past political and security climate? Sure.
It's a lot more than "ammo and guns". There were significant quantities of plastic explosives, rocket launchers, grenades, SAMs... everything you would need to launch a fairly successful guerilla campaign in the circumstances you describe.
Quote: In an ultimate freedom on the line situation would a few crates of ammo and guns make a difference? Hardly. You lost the fight on the day they turned out the lights as they set the troops up and no amount of smuggled arms will change that as it was a national mental state that allowed it to happen anyways.
The British Army were in Northern Ireland for 30 years yet paramilitaries were still able to operate and carry out bombings and killings even with a full security apparatus in place.
Look at the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan for a modern day comparison - even with a full occupying force, paramilitaries and militias are able to mount fairly effective campaigns against the occupiers.
I think you underestimate the difficulty of subduing a resistance.
Just thinking along these lines, trying to subdue a (very) well-armed American resistance would be really difficult O_o especially considering how much mountainous land and isolated wilderness areas we have..
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Leina Kubyeshev
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Posted - 2009.07.07 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Iasius As a Brit what annoys me most is the dire, miserable architecture. The German luftwaffe came nowhere close to town planners when it came to ruining urban landscapes in the 1960's. Our shopping centres look cheap and tacky. 90% of the houses follow a few standard designs.
My favourite part of USA is the east coat. New York is a great city. I didnt really like Calafornia. Most stuff i came across was new, not much old textures. San Francisco was to much like a tourist trap. Like Stratford in the UK is.
Napolean was right when he called the UK a nation of shop keepers. The elite here have a disdain for technology that annoys me. I am fed up about reading about Marks & Spencers and not about the innovative capability we have for engineering. We are just useless at homegrown modern large scale industry. Yet most of the worlds motorsport teams are based in the UK.
Then you didn't really see San Francisco, market street and china town are tourist havens, not the whole city. Spend more time there next time before you slander my city. |
Leina Kubyeshev
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Posted - 2009.07.07 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Both America and Britain are equally ****. Britain had an empire and was too weak to keep hold of it. America can't aquire an empire as they have never won a war on their own.
Hmm, pacific theatre anybody? War of independence? mexican war? native american wars? latin american interventions?
We've done plenty , learn history before you talk buddy. |
Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:18:00 -
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I'm a bit late, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA, YEAH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CbbtIoUceI
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sp3cial forc3s
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Both America and Britain are equally ****. Britain had an empire and was too weak to keep hold of it. America can't aquire an empire as they have never won a war on their own.
Hmm, pacific theatre anybody? War of independence? mexican war? native american wars? latin american interventions?
We've done plenty , learn history before you talk buddy.
SHUT UP FATTY!!!
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Both America and Britain are equally ****. Britain had an empire and was too weak to keep hold of it. America can't aquire an empire as they have never won a war on their own.
Hmm, pacific theatre anybody? War of independence? mexican war? native american wars? latin american interventions?
We've done plenty , learn history before you talk buddy.
Strike the Pacific Theatre and the War of Independence off the list, you didn't win those on your own.
Learn history before you talk buddy.
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Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:02:00 -
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I love how the Canada Day thread was pretty nice & civil, and this 4th of July thread is full of a bunch of ppl crying, priceless
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mc Gyver I love how the Canada Day thread was pretty nice & civil, and this 4th of July thread is full of a bunch of ppl crying, priceless
I know. All the brits crying emo tears are hilarious. Must be a cultural thing with the new british youth. Somehow I don't think even a freighter full of modern arms would make a lick of difference to any armed police states longevity.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Mc Gyver I love how the Canada Day thread was pretty nice & civil, and this 4th of July thread is full of a bunch of ppl crying, priceless
I know. All the brits crying emo tears are hilarious. Must be a cultural thing with the new british youth. Somehow I don't think even a freighter full of modern arms would make a lick of difference to any armed police states longevity.
Zeba, i never chalked you up as the arrogant type; Not all of us "Youth" are chavs. And its depressing that other people see it as so. They're just the ones who are most vocal, not even a Majority. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:14:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Both America and Britain are equally ****. Britain had an empire and was too weak to keep hold of it. America can't aquire an empire as they have never won a war on their own.
Hmm, pacific theatre anybody? War of independence? mexican war? native american wars? latin american interventions?
We've done plenty , learn history before you talk buddy.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Britain was in the pacific war too and was loaded with the bigger burden.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:21:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Mc Gyver I love how the Canada Day thread was pretty nice & civil, and this 4th of July thread is full of a bunch of ppl crying, priceless
I know. All the brits crying emo tears are hilarious. Must be a cultural thing with the new british youth. Somehow I don't think even a freighter full of modern arms would make a lick of difference to any armed police states longevity.
Zeba, i never chalked you up as the arrogant type; Not all of us "Youth" are chavs. And its depressing that other people see it as so. They're just the ones who are most vocal, not even a Majority.
Sorry. Was just rolling with the thread.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Mc Gyver I love how the Canada Day thread was pretty nice & civil, and this 4th of July thread is full of a bunch of ppl crying, priceless
I know. All the brits crying emo tears are hilarious. Must be a cultural thing with the new british youth. Somehow I don't think even a freighter full of modern arms would make a lick of difference to any armed police states longevity.
Zeba, i never chalked you up as the arrogant type; Not all of us "Youth" are chavs. And its depressing that other people see it as so. They're just the ones who are most vocal, not even a Majority.
Sorry. Was just rolling with the thread.
Its K. I just get butthurt about being lumped with chavs _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Its K. I just get butthurt about being lumped with chavs
Which is why I used it. Its like a WMD for baiting certain people.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Blane Xero Its K. I just get butthurt about being lumped with chavs
Which is why I used it. Its like a WMD for baiting certain people.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:29:00 -
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Blame the whiskey.
Originally by: Vaden Khale He's doing the moonwalk in HEE-hee-hell.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Blame the whiskey.
I feel used _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Mikazuki Wakahisa
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:41:00 -
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America never had an empire because it reached its prime past the age of imperialism.
If many of you Brits are particularly proud of subjugating foreign people to your will then we obviously differ greatly in our views on morality.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mikazuki Wakahisa America never had an empire because it reached its prime past the age of imperialism.
If many of you Brits are particularly proud of subjugating foreign people to your will then we obviously differ greatly in our views on morality.
Given what has happened in parts of the old empire I thnk many would welcome its return...
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Mc Gyver
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:59:00 -
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NO!
We all can't just get along.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Blane Xero Its K. I just get butthurt about being lumped with chavs
Which is why I used it. Its like a WMD for baiting certain people.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T
OH BRUVs, BRUVs, GO KNOCK HIM SPARKO INNIT OOOOOOOOOOOO BRUVS.
Seriously, Zeba that link you posted is priceless I can't stop laughing.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:24:00 -
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Before you denigrate the British, don't forget that you a large portion of America is descended from the same stock as us, and that if it hadn't been for us, you'd all be speaking French.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:34:00 -
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This is a really terrible thread.
Fighting for justice
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Leina Kubyeshev
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Both America and Britain are equally ****. Britain had an empire and was too weak to keep hold of it. America can't aquire an empire as they have never won a war on their own.
Hmm, pacific theatre anybody? War of independence? mexican war? native american wars? latin american interventions?
We've done plenty , learn history before you talk buddy.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Britain was in the pacific war too and was loaded with the bigger burden.
And the French were heavily involved in the war of independance, to the point of changing it's outcome very significantly.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mikazuki Wakahisa America never had an empire because it reached its prime past the age of imperialism.
If many of you Brits are particularly proud of subjugating foreign people to your will then we obviously differ greatly in our views on morality.
Oh, you're not an American then?
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