thought this should be pointed out more widely.

thanks for the info Fallout!

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Perhaps some of us feel that WiS is a significant development and improvement of Eve Online.

lol

Some of you people are way too wrapped up in ccp's internal affairs. You pay to play eve, as it exists today, you are not paying for a say in their business strategy or development plans. At anytime you decide the game is no longer interesting to you, you are free to stop subscribing. They are not spending your subscription money on other games, they are spending their resources as they see fit. When the company I work for can tell me how to spend my pay check I'll agree you have something to say to ccp.

Perhaps some of us feel that WiS is a significant development and improvement of Eve Online. If CCP intended EVE to suffer, they would not develop DUST. DUST depends on EVE to function.

That's even worse. The truth is that our subscriptions created dev resources that are getting flushed down the toilet. The semantics tell us "the resources you players have contributed are being flushed as a rule instead of as an exception to the rule."

Yeah thats a dodgy argument that doesn't really refute anything people have gotten annoyed about.

CCP has one current income stream and thats Eve Online.
Any resources raised by Eve and spent on other projects represents resource taken from Eve.
Doesn't really matter if they are Dust devs or WOD devs they are paid-for-by-eve Devs.

So I wouldn't really go making triumphant threads about this stuff.

I bet all those old H+ªttuspil players are still shaking their fists at CCP and demanding to know where their money went and why there was not a H+ªttuspil 2 released using their money!

In H+ªttuspil (or Danger Game) the player takes on the role of a young person and his object is to collect the 25 points needed to win. Collecting points is done by buying items according to each person's interests. The points can be lost as well, for example if the player gets a drug card.

The game was designed and published by the founders of CCP to finance the beginning of their Eve Online project.

Then please explain how there came to be an Everquest 2 or Diable 2 or 3 or WoW working on a new mmo, or all the other follow-ups to popular mmos. If you don't think revenue from one game assists with the creation of another you're being delusional. Luckily this is for an addition and not a replacement.

It is being improved. CCP is trying to be innovative. Creating their own new engine and trying new things to improve the game. The piece we see of WiS now is only the very first step. CCP has said they only intended on putting in a piece and testing it and optimizing it before including more. Makes sense to me. There will be a lot more functionality for WiS but it is new and so it is being implemented carefully.

Nothing says they cannot work on FiS and WiS simultaneously and by reading the dev posts it seems they are doing just that.

Just in case others don't know what you're talking about.



http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/32280/hattuspil

Just in case others don't know what you're talking about.



http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/32280/hattuspil

DUST depends on EVE to function.

This thread is like Night of the Bad Analogies ...

Since when does a single purchase boardgame become comparable with a subscription-based MMO?

Since when are MMO companies only ever allowed to produce one product for all time and not use one iota of company resources on anything but the single product they ever produce?

Has anybody claimed that? I know I haven't. You are responding to an argument nobody else has made.

Has anybody claimed that? I know I haven't. You are responding to an argument nobody else has made.

Many of the pro CCP guys seem to take their argument tactics from the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals play book. Which does not allow for real discussion or discourse.

Many of the pro CCP guys seem to take their argument tactics from the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals play book. Which does not allow for real discussion or discourse.

Dont expect much in the way of legitimate argument and reason from them.

As for the Devs claim, I don't believe it unless he proves it at this point. Time cards or other documentation proving his statement are needed. I do not trust anyone at CCP at this stage or what they say. Im looking at their actions now, and the proof is in the pudding as they say.

You want to see time cards? Really?

I'm sorry my friend, but thats just a wee bit over the top.

NO its not if the person in question is going to make such claims relating to work force allocation. He cant toss it out there without any way for us to verify or back it up.

It was very irresponsible of him to say that in the first place.

You cant just say things you cant back up and prove. Or can prove but wont then tell people to just trust you. Its borderline abuse too us players and customers in many ways.

Yeah that ship sailed.

Very unprofessional.

Wow you are taking all of this way too seriously. Take a deep breath and reread what you posted. I think you need to step away from the keyboard and get out more.

Oh and you spelled Rogue wrong. Just sayin'

No im pretty sure I got red in french right. The mistake was forgetting to make a space between the two words. C'est la vie.

Moving along.

No im taking it as serious as it needs to be. Its a dirty things to make a bold statement as the CCP dev makes that can be proved only to turn around and inevitably say you wont prove it.

He is trying to silence discontent in a dirty low down way.

He can say anything he wants and not have to prove it if we let such things slide. Its not acceptable.

Sorry but you have to earn my trust and faith. Im not going to just go along with such a statement with glazed brainwashed eyes.

Pst, it's a video game, a game.

What is your point exactly?

This is a video game, not the Lament of the Proletariat.

Just because people are not making that conclusion does not mean they are not arguing its premise. I am simply pointing out the obvious problem with the 'woe is EVE' argument.
Any amount of resources CCP uses for other projects, takes away from EVE. It is CCP's decision to do so, not ours. Whether we agree with it or not is inconsequential unless we cancel enough of our subscriptions to exceed the allowances that were projected when CCP decided to take this gamble upon themselves.

That's how it works.
The only thing that matters, is your subscription itself, period.
Talk is wasted time you could have already cancelled and made your point.