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AFKCloaked AltSpy
MasterMined Technologies
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Posted - 2011.09.17 16:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:AFKCloaked AltSpy wrote:Right. Which takes the argument from "simple maths" to "complex assumptions". Which is my point.
No, it doesn't. 600 employees, three games vs. 300 employees working on three games. The only assumption was that when they focused on Apoc, they shifted Gàö of the resources over to EVE. The simple maths is this: Gàô of f(600) = Gàö of f(300), where f(x) simply means "minus overhead". In fact, the math is not just simple, but na+»ve GÇö the relative overhead for 600 will normally be lower than for 300, and the whole thing doesn't even include stuff that benefits all three games at once, so really, it's Gàô of f(600) GëÑ Gàö of f(300), and yet, those 300 managed to do more than the 600 have done. So either they have huge issues with their overhead, or they are, indeed, not putting a fair share of the resources into EVE.
There are 600 people there now. Please list when they were hired, what they were hired for, and how much CCP pays to employ them in total. Also please list CCPs assets and liabilities, and monthly net income. Every one of those factors is critical in coming to an informed conclusion about CCP's allocation of resources.
Because the fact that the GMs arent developing python scripts is really disturbing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.17 19:42:00 -
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AFKCloaked AltSpy wrote:There are 600 people there now. Please list [yadda yadda] GǪnone of which matters, which is the beauty of the simple-to-the-point-of-na+»vety maths.
Yes. There are 600 people there now. Just like there were half that many then. Want to add complications now, then guess what, you can add them back then as well and the two will be comparable again.
What matters is this: a doubling in people should mean at least a doubling in the development resources available (or they're having problems with overhead). Double the resources should be able to do what Gàö of the original resources could do. We're not seeing this. So the question is: are those resources not distributed properly or are they having overhead issues?
People are guessing the former.
That is all the argument is about: given what we know about the evolution of the company, why aren't we seeing the kinds of releases they were able to deliver with far fewer people at their disposal in the past, when really, logically, they should rather have become the norm by now?
Quote:Because the fact that the GMs arent developing python scripts is really disturbing. Quite the opposite. It only strengthens the argument.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.09.17 20:32:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:I know it's popular to think that EVE is financing WoD and DUST514. But the fact of the matter is that these games are likely being financed through debt, and not through EVE subscriptions. Hence the reason why there was talk in MD about how CCP is going to deal with a loan payment due in October.
Of course people are too busy saying "woe is me" and too attached to the idea that CCP's sole purpose in life is to screw over their customers to understand how business projects are financed.
They got those loans because they had a successful product called EvE. So yes it is financed through our subs as the leverage to get the loan to begin with.
We understand how it works very well.
It All comes down to the plain and simple fact that they overextended. And while doing that created huge negligence to the very game and players that made them. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.17 22:04:00 -
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if what you say is true its worse, this means 90% of the eve devs are worthless. |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.22 21:24:00 -
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[quote=RougeOperator][quote=AFKCloaked AltSpy][quote=RougeOperator][quote=AFKCloaked AltSpy]Quote:very simply maths
Ill add that they technically actually do owe the paying EvE customers at this point. CCP has created a DEBT they owe the EvE community due to the lack of content and game play we have been paying for without much to show for it.
Wrong, you do not buy content or game play, you buy server access time. Content is a free download, and gameplay is what you make it. Eve does not have resources, CCP does and they do not need to report to you on how they use them. I understand what you are saying about time invested in the game, but if you've been playing games as long as I have then there are other games you have also invested hundereds - thousands of hours in that eventually died or you eventually lost interest in. Everthing has a beginning and an end and if the management of the company bothers you enough or the game play as it exists does not interest you enough then stop throwing your time away. |
Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
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Posted - 2011.09.22 22:00:00 -
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CCP Fallout wrote:
I respectfully point out that you are wrong, sir, and ask that you not listen to skuttlbutt. We do not move EVE devs out of EVE. In fact, when we did Apocrypha, staff from WoD and DUST were moved to EVE. These kinds of things happen quite often, where we may borrow resources from WoD or DUST and use them in EVE.
Additionally, we are a company of 600 people, of which, we have quite a number of resources working on EVE.
I find that comment rather disturbing, as we should never expect quality content as the one we ve got with apocrypha. |
AFKCloaked AltSpy
MasterMined Technologies
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Posted - 2011.09.23 01:16:00 -
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Zeomebuch Nova wrote:CCP Fallout wrote:
I respectfully point out that you are wrong, sir, and ask that you not listen to skuttlbutt. We do not move EVE devs out of EVE. In fact, when we did Apocrypha, staff from WoD and DUST were moved to EVE. These kinds of things happen quite often, where we may borrow resources from WoD or DUST and use them in EVE.
Additionally, we are a company of 600 people, of which, we have quite a number of resources working on EVE.
I find that comment rather disturbing, as we should never expect quality content as the one we ve got with apocrypha.
It was the expansion with the most bugs to date like it or not.
Being an Apocrypha fanboi is useless. It had a lot of content so people "loved" it. We get it. It had a lot of borked content.
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Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
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Posted - 2011.09.24 03:12:00 -
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AFKCloaked AltSpy wrote:Zeomebuch Nova wrote:CCP Fallout wrote:
I respectfully point out that you are wrong, sir, and ask that you not listen to skuttlbutt. We do not move EVE devs out of EVE. In fact, when we did Apocrypha, staff from WoD and DUST were moved to EVE. These kinds of things happen quite often, where we may borrow resources from WoD or DUST and use them in EVE.
Additionally, we are a company of 600 people, of which, we have quite a number of resources working on EVE.
I find that comment rather disturbing, as we should never expect quality content as the one we ve got with apocrypha. It was the expansion with the most bugs to date like it or not. Being an Apocrypha fanboi is useless. It had a lot of content so people "loved" it. We get it. It had a lot of borked content.
More content means more bugs from the dev department, there is no black magic there. By the way, I'd take that in exchange for more fis content any day. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 04:19:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Denidil wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Yeah thats a dodgy argument that doesn't really refute anything people have gotten annoyed about.
CCP has one current income stream and thats Eve Online.
Any resources raised by Eve and spent on other projects represents resource taken from Eve.
Doesn't really matter if they are Dust devs or WOD devs they are paid-for-by-eve Devs.
So I wouldn't really go making triumphant threads about this stuff.
you really don't know jackshit about business, do you? Losing your temper and posting silly flames on the forums does little to argue your own competence either.
I like'd both of your posts. Because they were both good. |
iyammarrok
Federation Manufacturing Conglomerate
Twilight Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.09.24 13:52:00 -
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so... correct me if i'm wrong, i might well be...
CCP owns white wolf now... right?
so... to counter the argument that they have only 1 income source.
Vampire
Werewolf
Mage
Exhalted
Hunter
(is there a fae or wraith one? not sure)
these are games that are still purchased and played.
add to that the fact that white wold still recieve some degree of funding from their legacy PC games...
flaming CCP for diverting resources to make new games is like flaming wizards of the coast for diverting money from magic the gathering products to make DnD 3/3.5/4 (ok.. you can flame them for 4... :P )
diversity breeds advancement, stagnation breeds decline.
CCP will likely lean much from creating Dust and WoD.. and that which they learn can be used to improve EvE.
let CCP diversify. it will be worth it in the end.
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