Thanks for pointing out to everyone reading the forums that you are extremely ignorant.

Its not just a game. Its also a payed for service. One the involves an investment of time and money.

This is not some scrabble game you toss in the closet and pull out only once a year for a family gathering.

Its not some 20 hour game you got for xbox that once its over its over.

Its an MMO which is a totally different thing then just a game. For many many reasons.

And customer/player/user feedback matters. As each person has formed relationships in game and out that can and will effect sales and retention of past and future customers.

There are gradiations of protest. Measured demonstration of discontent. This community is old enough and sophisticated enough to see through the manipulative rhetoric of counterrevolutionary agents such as yourself!

They are not obligated to consider your feelings when they make a product,

Exactly, and I think many of you have long since crossed the line from reasonable discussion into mob mentality. Make a list of your demands, and we will see which side you are on, no?

Hint: Anything that involves things we clearly know CCP will never do in any way, shape, or form, regardless of whether they should or ought to from a subscriber viewpoint but NOT a business viewpoint puts you on the mob side.

CCP are not subscribers, they are producers. They are not obligated to consider your feelings when they make a product, only whether money will leave your wallet when they dangle it in front of you. Mobs make irrational demands that can obviously not be met.

Things like:
Remove Incarna!
Quit ALL WiS development forever!
Trash WoD and DUST!
Do as I and I alone say because I must know best!
etc.

You need to stop posting. Just with this line alone.

Also you are the one coming off as a ranting mad man on a soapbox at this point.

Rouge, it is alright to back off the tone of your rhetoric, I am not going to use it against you if you do or chest beat, I will simply better enjoy having a more rational discussion with you over the topic at hand.

But phrases like silencing discontent and brainwashing are really not very constructive on a video game forum.

And I am sorry, but CCP is a company, not a nursery, they are here to make a profit first, not improve the quality of your life experiences or help you achieve inner peace.

Do they and most of their employees care whether you are having fun or not? Of course they do.
But at the end of the day, they have mouths to feed, whether their own, or others, and I'm sorry, but if I had to choose between your feelings and my dinner, I would choose the latter every time.

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Yeah thats a dodgy argument that doesn't really refute anything people have gotten annoyed about.

CCP has one current income stream and thats Eve Online.
Any resources raised by Eve and spent on other projects represents resource taken from Eve.
Doesn't really matter if they are Dust devs or WOD devs they are paid-for-by-eve Devs.

So I wouldn't really go making triumphant threads about this stuff.

you really don't know jackshit about business, do you?

Someone summarize this thread for me in a small paragraph or less? I'm just lazy and I don't feel like going through all 4 pages to get to the meat of the discussion.

Some people think that all of the profits from Eve should go into developing Eve.

Some people think that some of the profits should also go into devolping other games

Draw a line between between those two viewpoints.

Most people sit somewhere along that line, and are arguing that their's is the best spot.

Some people think that all of the profits from Eve should go into developing Eve.

Some people think that all of th profits from Eve should go into developing other games.

Draw a line between between those two viewpoints.

Most people sit somewhere along that line, and are arguing that their's is the best spot.

Just stating the obvious.

Imagine If I sent an email to the Board of directors @ Intel and told them how to develop processors because I bought one.

I want eve to be developed by professional developers, and managed by professional managers. Feedback from their customer base is important on game content, feedback from their customer base on management of the company is a waste of time.

I think you don't understand MMO's. They are different from something like processor because MMO's derive a large part of their value from the time investment of their customers. EVE is fun because we are investing time to play it. Processors don't get better or worse to anyone if you invest a lot of time in them as a customer.

Because EVE players have invested a lot of time in EVE it represents some thing of value beyond just the money they've paid with it. If a company causes the player investments to become worthless, then they will either have to write off those investements or convince management to change course.

If you invested two years of your time to become a Photoshop expert, and Adobe spent all most their money on other software, slowly making your investment worthless, then yes, you most likely *would* be pretty pissed off.

More like [truth]

very simply maths

You have all the variables then?

Lets see them.

You will never get them cause CCP would then show that they have indeed miss allocated resources.

Heck seems they are trying to bury info especially with the cancellation of the annual reports to a yearly report. Shortly after the Incarna boondoggle.

thought this should be pointed out more widely.

thanks for the info Fallout!

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Right. Which takes the argument from "simple maths" to "complex assumptions". Which is my point.

Assumption is not a dirty word, much to the contrary of how you are trying to present it.

There is no fungibility in what they are doing here with the resources at their disposal.

No no no no no no no no no no NO.

Assumption is what everybody has to work with when they don't have all the variables.

I have to assume also.

But as I said, that changes the entire scenario. When everybody is assuming it is 100% opinion at that point. Its not a simple equation.

for example;



You have no idea what resources they have at their disposal, or when or where they were allocated. You have a general idea of how many employees work there.

Too bad then that the assumptions we are making have a prepoderence of fact backing them up.

Not having the specific hard data on the time clock of employees is not needed when we have enough evidence laying about that backs up the mismanagement of resources.

Or were you not around during the protests? Where streams of information were collected. And posted on many blogs?

I have to say you are just being willfully obtuse about all this.

Right. Which takes the argument from "simple maths" to "complex assumptions". Which is my point.