I respectfully point out that you are wrong, sir, and ask that you not listen to skuttlbutt. We do not move EVE devs out of EVE. In fact, when we did Apocrypha, staff from WoD and DUST were moved to EVE. These kinds of things happen quite often, where we may borrow resources from WoD or DUST and use them in EVE.

Additionally, we are a company of 600 people, of which, we have quite a number of resources working on EVE.

Yeah thats a dodgy argument that doesn't really refute anything people have gotten annoyed about.

CCP has one current income stream and thats Eve Online.
Any resources raised by Eve and spent on other projects represents resource taken from Eve.
Doesn't really matter if they are Dust devs or WOD devs they are paid-for-by-eve Devs.

So I wouldn't really go making triumphant threads about this stuff.

you really don't know jackshit about business, do you?

Losing your temper and posting silly flames on the forums does little to argue your own competence either.

Losing your temper and posting silly flames on the forums does little to argue your own competence either.

you really don't know jackshit about business, do you?

There is this thing out there, its called the REAL WORLD. Where businesses grow and diversify. Where they invest money made from one product, to develop a new product... and make MORE MONEY. Its amazing!

That's even worse. The truth is that our subscriptions created dev resources that are getting flushed down the toilet. The semantics tell us "the resources you players have contributed are being flushed as a rule instead of as an exception to the rule."

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Nor does posting crap about how all the money that comes in one income stream should stay in that stream.

lol you think that qualifies as a flame, or that i lost my temper. that's so cute. let me clue you into something about business. they have to spend money on any project before they make money on that project. WoD and DUST are new projects, in that spending money first phase. EVE is a mature, ongoing project, in the making money phase.

And then there was that time i went to elementary school and learned read. and then the time I went to middle school and learned to comprehend what i read.

Then on my 13th birthday I read the EULA to EvE on line, and it said my sub money pays for the ability to access CCP's server and nothing else.

/dramatization

Seriously? You seriously believe what you posted? Living in the real world is going to drive you mad if so.

Yeah thats a dodgy argument that doesn't really refute anything people have gotten annoyed about.

CCP has one current income stream and thats Eve Online.
Any resources raised by Eve and spent on other projects represents resource taken from Eve.
Doesn't really matter if they are Dust devs or WOD devs they are paid-for-by-eve Devs.

So I wouldn't really go making triumphant threads about this stuff.

I can see what you guys are saying but those arguing that EVE money shouldn't be used on WoD or Dust should go tell blizzard that the money they make with WoW should't have been used on starcraft 2.

Look at it this way. If these game are successful that money will flow back into CCP and EVE. If they have a chance to make more money that could put more into eve than what it currently gets just from subscribers right now then I'm all for it.

CCP has all of it's eggs in one basket right now and that is not a very good thing in business.

Just my .02

EDIT: took me so long to type that all of my points where made before I even hit post. lol

Then please explain how there came to be an Everquest 2 or Diable 2 or 3 or WoW working on a new mmo, or all the other follow-ups to popular mmos. If you don't think revenue from one game assists with the creation of another you're being delusional. Luckily this is for an addition and not a replacement.

The first few responses to the OP are correct. EVE is the main thing generating income for CCP right now. Eve dies, so does the CCP and all of the spin off projects. So it's in the CCP's interest (whatever you think about businesses) to ensure that Eve is successful.

they're not right in their whining that "omg CCP Is spending money on other things, that means eve is being neglected!!!"

"We continue to pay for EVE, so we expect it to continue to get better" is a reasonable expectation that has essentially stopped being met in the past 2 years.

So, you electronically signed a document that explicitly states otherwise, and its a reasonable expectation?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I hit the nail on the head.

What the heck is going on with this thread? You'd be forgiven for thinking there are some players of this game who DONT want continued and significant development and improvement of Eve Online.

What the heck is going on with this thread? You'd be forgiven for thinking there are some players of this game who DONT want continued and significant development and improvement of Eve Online.

Sigh. Do I really need to type:

"Its all about proportion" one more time?

Any money does not automatically equal too much money. But it is possible to spend too much money on other projects. Calm down, have a cup of tea and try to start at the beginning.

End of the day its all about the core product getting appropriate resources so that people don't feel the game they are paying subs for is being used to milk the cash cows without ongoing development. I don't think anybody is arguing that ALL of Eves subs money should go to Eve development, just a decent proportion that allows the continuing development of the game for everyone's enjoyment.

But trying to argue that because there are WOD devs and DUST devs that means that resources are not being taken from Eve is a bit flaky argumentation since they obviously are paid salaries on Eve subs since their own products do not yet make money.

Ultimately - if Core Eve gets proper development resources again and we get back to decent expansions and neglected features are properly revisited and upgraded then nobody is going to begrudge a proportion of our subs going to fund new development in other games.

Its all about proportion.

if you seriously think i'm not calm then you really need to stop assuming context into other people's posts. i'm being more sarcastic than anything.

as for proportion.. lol - all these emorage on the forums over CQ, NeX, and Dust/WOD supposedly stealing dev time from eve. and i find a dev post where it is explicitly stated that Dust/WOD stole no devs from EVE, but EVE (For a while) stole devs from Dust/WOD .. and people STILL are trying to claim that CCP is neglecting EVE. ... and people just started repeating the same BS they've been saying for weeks.

yeah... that's "all about proportion". riiiiiiiiight.

TLDR: EVE dev clearly states that WoD/DUST didn't steal resources from EVE. I repost it, people say "no, they did!" - i mock these people.

if you seriously think i'm not calm then you really need to stop assuming context into other people's posts. i'm being more sarcastic than anything.

as for proportion.. lol - all these emorage on the forums over CQ, NeX, and Dust/WOD supposedly stealing dev time from eve. and i find a dev post where it is explicitly stated that Dust/WOD stole no devs from EVE, but EVE (For a while) stole devs from Dust/WOD

.. and people STILL are trying to claim that CCP is neglecting EVE. ... and people just started repeating the same BS they've been saying for weeks.

yeah... that's "all about proportion". riiiiiiiiight. TLDR: EVE dev clearly states that WoD/DUST didn't steal resources from EVE. I repost it, people say "no, they did!" - i mock these people.