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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:37:00 -
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An afterburner getting you an AMAZING ~277-300ish m/s is lol
You go quite abit faster (350 normal, 450 overloaded). Sure not impressive speeds, but much faster than your speeds.
And serious, just dont fit 350mm rails on a mega. Fit neutron blasters, 425mm rails, or go home.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.07.06 21:10:00 -
[62]
YOU NEEDZ MWD!!!
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.07.06 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
An afterburner getting you an AMAZING ~277-300ish m/s is lol
You go quite abit faster (350 normal, 450 overloaded). Sure not impressive speeds, but much faster than your speeds.
And serious, just dont fit 350mm rails on a mega. Fit neutron blasters, 425mm rails, or go home.
My speeds were assuming trimarks - and honestly I can't think of anyone that has armor rigging to V so my speeds are pretty close.
400 m/s is terribad - infact the ~800 m/s speed with a mwd is bad.
Agreed on guns - neutrons with null or 425's to snipe.
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Footoo Rama
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Posted - 2009.07.07 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Fitting a MWD would negate the effect of the tracking disruptor completely, as well as leave you susceptible to being scrambled yourself, lowering your speed and rendering the TD further useless.
The damage you'd lose from swapping drones to a different type is neglectable, so it works with your idea. To switch to Berserker IIs only drops your DPS by 70. So well worth it to mix damage types in my opinion.
Since you are not speed tanking, the ab is worthless, you will never close to within any type of range using just an AB you need to have a MWD. Of course if you scream that you do not need this in PvE. Running a blasterboat Mega in level 4's with an AB is just lame, unless you are fighting Angels.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.07.07 02:30:00 -
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Did Merin and Siigari ever meet?
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Kismo
Did Merin and Siigari ever meet?
Nope. I suspect after getting hilariously self-pwned with his tracking "explanation", he decided to just pretend this whole thread never happened.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Nope. I suspect after getting hilariously self-pwned with his tracking "explanation", he decided to just pretend this whole thread never happened.
Sigh, it's always that way. At least he had the decency to simply not show... most of the time when I've done stuff like that it's been "1v1?" "SURE!" ::enter 50 man blob and 4 motherships::
Blah.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.07.07 03:32:00 -
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Siig honours 1v1s. I'd be kinda interested to see this one.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.07.07 04:44:00 -
[69]
It was like 4 am. I fell asleep. I'm still up for it if you are.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.07.07 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
It was like 4 am. I fell asleep. I'm still up for it if you are.
Well, I asked in the previous post what starting range you will consider acceptable, but I also have two other questions:
1) Are gang bonuses included (that is, a single random noobship in gang for each of us, not a fleet command ship with a full rack of gang links) or not? I have a covops alt that I run for "solo" PvP for this reason if you are planning on having one of your own, but I don't really care either way. I just want to know if I need to keep the alt in-system.
2) I know I said "Vexor", but thanks to not flying T1 cruisers, I forgot just how much of a pain that ship is to fit properly. I still claim I can kill you with a single T1 cruiser, but I'd like to swap the Vexor for a different one (not a Blackbird with a full rack of Gallente racials, of course).
Unfortunately, I just spent all night hauling stuff all over lowsec, so I really don't feel like making yet another Jita run to get a T1 cruiser, so you'll have to wait until tomorrow night for your duel.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.07 05:31:00 -
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but I'd like to swap the Vexor for a different one (not a Blackbird with a full rack of Gallente racials, of course).
So how many tracking disruptors are you going to fit?
(most normal fitted battleship can be killed by a cruiser if fitted specifically against that ship)
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.07.07 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote:
but I'd like to swap the Vexor for a different one (not a Blackbird with a full rack of Gallente racials, of course).
So how many tracking disruptors are you going to fit?
(most normal fitted battleship can be killed by a cruiser if fitted specifically against that ship)
I said I'm using my standard (well, standard, if I ever flew a T1 cruiser) fit, not some special anti-Megathron setup. Granted, an Arbitrator is a good cruiser in this scenario, but if he can't take on a standard fit from one of the most popular T1 cruisers, I'd say that's a pretty big problem for his setup.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.07.07 06:38:00 -
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No, I'm not going to allow for wavering in this circumstance. More often than not a person will make a statement only to back down from it later after realizing that they spoke before they thought.
If you wish to engage me in a 1v1 and beat me as you stated previously, you will fly a standard Vexor as you insinuated in your post.
I mean, like you said:
Originally by: "Sera Ryskin"
Hell, forget the Armageddon, I could probably take down this piece of **** comedy setup in a Vexor.
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DonMagicJuan
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:15:00 -
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People are really still trying to fly blaster battleships? Get with the times.
Pulse Geddon
7x Mega Pulse II
1x MWD
1x Med Cap Booster
1x Warp Disruptor II
3x Heat Sink
1x Damage Control II
2x 1600mm RT plate
2x Adaptive Nano Plating II
3x Trimark
100k EHP and 1100+dps with Ogre II's at 15km optimal (Amarr Navy MF) and in 2 seconds you can swap to Scorch and do 650 gun dps with a 45km optimal (no implants used). If you want to use cpu implants/cheap faction you can swap out to a nano plate for an EANM. Ganks almost as hard as a plate 3x MFS neutron mega and will do significantly more damage in most situations as it doesn't need to be 5km from the target to actually do anything. If you want to spend some more isk, you can fit an Abaddon very similarly (I like the DC/2xHS/2xEAN/2x1600 low version personally) and trade about 150 gank dps for 60k EHP and a fourth utility mid.
If you have to go blasters because of skills then that is one thing but there is really no reason to use a blaster anything over pulse boats for close range fighting right now.
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Mei Ree
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:26:00 -
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What I learned from this thread: Sera Ryskin does, but doesn't, have a standard T1 cruiser fit that she can or cannot fly.
Perhaps some people should take Siigari up on the hisec duel offer.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:42:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Omarvelous on 07/07/2009 07:44:38
The Vexor fit you want to use to beat this ship:
Vexor
Damage Control II
1600mm Plate
2x EANM II
10MN MWD I
Warp Disruptor II
Web II
5x Light Neutron II OR 200mm AC II or Medium Pulse II
Small Nosferatu II (you could use a neut with the AC)
2x Ogre II
2x Hammerhead II
1x Hobgoblin II
You can ignore the tracking disruptor.
460 dps (blasters), 440 (pulse), 418 (autocannons)
Dive in and orbit. He wont be able to hit you. He has no web or MWD to dictate range. The AB Mega will go 140 m/s (184 m/s) once webbed (which you should do from 13km out). Ofcourse he scrams your MWD - but momentum carries you within a range his guns can't track. You have a web, he doesn't so you're still faster than his mega even with the mwd off. Pop his drones, then pop him.
*shrug*
P.S. Damage Rigs + Implants and you're looking at ~500 dps with neutrons/pulses.
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:47:00 -
[77]
Edited by: The Djego on 07/07/2009 07:47:42
Originally by: Omarvelous
You can ignore the tracking disruptor.
You can ignore that at all, small guns get a ten times increased tracking vs BS(40/400 Sig resulution/signature ratio)...
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:50:00 -
[78]
Originally by: The Djego
Edited by: The Djego on 07/07/2009 07:47:42
Originally by: Omarvelous
You can ignore the tracking disruptor.
You can ignore that at all, small guns get a ten times increased tracking vs BS(40/400 Sig resulution/signature ratio)...
Exactly - it would run circles around this Mega and produce a LOL killmail.
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Rock urSocksoff
Incura
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:58:00 -
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You could also ignore the fact that a Vexor doesn't have 6 highslots...
Originally by: Saluss
Its a bad world in EvE and everyone wants your Retail shuttle.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Mystafyre
The OP fit is also great, but I really suggest MWD for battleship, it just works better IMHO..
The OP fit has 75k ehp while being a BS, and relies on having only 1 source of incoming damage that's preferably turret related so it can be partially negated by the TD. 
It's not really worst fit ever, since in certain cases you can get away even with no speed mod at all, but altogether... meh.
Slightly related, once long ago I lost an abso due to corpmate having an AB on mega. I mwded into the fray, then asked for RRing. "Um, wait." he said. Damn him. 
Ups... Didn't notice that he didn't have 3x trimark rigs in OP... 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:36:00 -
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Lets stay realistic. Merin would have nanofitted it with large shield extender, because that is at least what he always advices everyone.
Now everyone can plug siig's fit in EFT, fit a vexor with MWD+large extender + some nanos/ODs. Open a DPS graph, put the vexor at max speed, mega at zero (if mega has speed it will only become worse for the vexor). The result, he would have warped out (but that is the case of every battleship which doesnt fit a heavy neut, a nano cruiser will just warp out). So when we remove the warping out, he would have been BBQ'ed, not the slightest chance he would have survived that. Only if he had a tracking disruptor on optimal range he would have survived. But that is not really a surprise vs a blaster ship. (btw this is independant if the setup is good or not, but for sure merins vexor would have been bbq'ed).
Now your setup has a better chance. However two problems ruins your day:
1. Your MWD will be shut down by his scram. With overloaded AB he will be able to bring transversal to basicly zero. Neutron blasters, meet vexor. Vexor, meet antimatter.
2. Drones. He agreed on switching to bezerker drones. I am pretty sure they will hit your vexor for good damage. You cant kill them since you are right on top of him, he can just scoop+redeploy.
So yeah, you are pretty much going to die too.
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Mystafyre
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mystafyre on 07/07/2009 09:42:52
nm
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.07.07 10:03:00 -
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Oh stop chest beating and get on with it. I want to see either Siigari die in a ball of fire and fail or Merin get punched in the face and a dirty great fact.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Oh stop chest beating and get on with it. I want to see either Siigari die in a ball of fire and fail or Merin get punched in the face and a dirty great fact.
This. Win-win situation.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Party Vann
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:14:00 -
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there is a reason blasterthrons use to be popular......
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.07.07 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gypsio III on 07/07/2009 12:24:57
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Just tested it out in a combat situation versus a Thorax (for tracking purposes).
The TD prevented incoming damage, but outgoing damage was not as I had hoped. Then I tried a web... better but not quite what I was expecting. About to attempt a painter.
Using a PWNAGE I was able to hit consistently every volley for +1000 (all 7 guns). Against a Thorax in 2500m orbit.
It's also worth noting that a 60% web is equivalent to a 150% painter, in terms of gun tracking effects and reduction of damage mitigation via speed vs. missiles.
A painter on a boat that operates within web range is insane.
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Abenham
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Abenham on 07/07/2009 15:19:43
5x Ogre IIs?
No Neut?
Scram and Web fitted + AB and Tracking Disruptor?
I'd say a well piloted Rifter could take this setup out.
Not having Rifter skills though - I will have a go in a Tristan and I still think I'll win.
My character is at war at the mo but they honour 1v1 rules and they'll love to see this happen.
I'm on UK time but I'm sure with a bit of notice I can turn up whenever.
When and where would you like to fight Siigari?
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Citriz
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:32:00 -
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Hopefully no one takes this guy serious.
Two things.
1. That fit is terrible.
2. No one wants to take advice from a guy that lost the first and second T3 ship , as well as 2 additional ones since then.
Maybe if you didnt ebay everything you would at least have some kind of concept on how to play this game.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:40:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Abenham
Edited by: Abenham on 07/07/2009 15:19:43
5x Ogre IIs?
No Neut?
Scram and Web fitted + AB and Tracking Disruptor?
I'd say a well piloted Rifter could take this setup out.
Not having Rifter skills though - I will have a go in a Tristan and I still think I'll win.
My character is at war at the mo but they honour 1v1 rules and they'll love to see this happen.
I'm on UK time but I'm sure with a bit of notice I can turn up whenever.
When and where would you like to fight Siigari?
That way you can call 90% of the BS setups crap. Sorry but get better reasons than that it isnt the best anti frigate weapon.
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deathstriker seven
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Posted - 2009.07.07 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Fail fit.
Few extra dps for a BC sized tank and no mwd?.....
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