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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:28:00 -
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There's only one reason you need for removing t2 bpo's. It's that no one else can get new one in same way than they were originally distributed. It should be common sense. It doesn't matter how much profit people make with them. It's just that everyone should have same possibility for getting the same stuff, eventually.
This doesn't only apply on t2 bpo's but everything else in any game tbh.
There's too many "ancient" relics in eve which shouldn't exist anymore. They probably were funny when eve had like 5 players online but not anymore. This is not some small server where "game master" can give some neat stuff for some "nice" players and expect everyone would agree or keep it fair and be happy forever.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:35:00 -
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EvE is like real life, people have things you dont. Also just like the real world life in eve is not fair.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 24/07/2009 23:11:23
 Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
There's only one reason you need for removing t2 bpo's. It's that no one else can get new one in same way than they were originally distributed. It should be common sense. It doesn't matter how much profit people make with them. It's just that everyone should have same possibility for getting the same stuff, eventually.
This doesn't only apply on t2 bpo's but everything else in any game tbh.
There's too many "ancient" relics in eve which shouldn't exist anymore. They probably were funny when eve had like 5 players online but not anymore. This is not some small server where "game master" can give some neat stuff for some "nice" players and expect everyone would agree or keep it fair and be happy forever.
Oh so lets just trash all of the unique ships, unique items from EVE then right?
Here, let me just contract my yacht, tribal pest, and guardian-vexor to you. Just do the responsible thing and trash it like you say should happen. 
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 24/07/2009 23:52:55
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 24/07/2009 16:36:04
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Missing the point, as long as they exist, everyone is on equal terms. Everyone is free to get them the way most people got theirs, buying them from someone else. If people that paid for them have them removed, that's not equal terms.
Not everyone is free to get them since , if owners decide not to sell them you cant get them.
So? Persuade them to change their minds.  Easier to whine is it not.
I can't hold a high end moon in my current state of affairs either, let's nerf those guys.
maybe i can change their mind maybe i cant. It leads to this that not everyone is free to get them .
You can shoot their POS , you cant shoot their T2BPO ( that is in a station obiviously )
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.24 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 24/07/2009 23:50:28
Originally by: voogru
Edited by: voogru on 24/07/2009 23:11:23
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
There's only one reason you need for removing t2 bpo's. It's that no one else can get new one in same way than they were originally distributed. It should be common sense. It doesn't matter how much profit people make with them. It's just that everyone should have same possibility for getting the same stuff, eventually.
This doesn't only apply on t2 bpo's but everything else in any game tbh.
There's too many "ancient" relics in eve which shouldn't exist anymore. They probably were funny when eve had like 5 players online but not anymore. This is not some small server where "game master" can give some neat stuff for some "nice" players and expect everyone would agree or keep it fair and be happy forever.
Oh so lets just trash all of the unique ships, unique items from EVE then right?
Here, let me just contract my yacht, tribal pest, and guardian-vexor to you. Just do the responsible thing and trash it like you say should happen.
Unique Items and ships can be blown to pieces.
You cant take advantage off those if you dont undock , to T2 BPOs applly diffrent rules.
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:01:00 -
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Unique ship function: To wave your Epeen around looking cool until getting blown to smithereens.
Unique T2 BPO function: To produce unlimited amounts of T2 ships and modules much cheaper than any rival until the game ends.
Just for info: Some interesting calculations done in a Hulk BPO auction that sold for 100 Billion - "How much a BPO can save you" 
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Unique ship function: To wave your Epeen around looking cool until getting blown to smithereens.
Unique T2 BPO function: To produce unlimited amounts of T2 ships and modules much cheaper than any rival until the game ends.
Just for info: Some interesting calculations done in a Hulk BPO auction that sold for 100 Billion - "How much a BPO can save you"
Except that the T2 BPO doesn't produce an unlimited amount, it produces a fixed amount, invention produces a fixed amount. That calculation shows that someone building two invented hulks makes more than someone building one with the BPO.
The Hulk BPO sold to someone that paid 100 billion isk for it, but and even if they only built 1 for 1 it would take around 14 YEARS to pay back compared to someone just inventing their BPCs and building exactly the same amount.
Ok, so we've established that the people that got them in the lottery have now made 100b, the solution to that is to remove them from the people that paid 100b for them?
The hulk of course is the extreme example, most T2 BPOs are much cheaper and make much less isk, some have no value whatsoever other than their value as a unique item.
You're also proving that even the best T2 BPOs are still just as available now as they have ever been, to anyone willing to pay for them. In order to gain that exact advantage you're claiming is unfair, you only need to do exactly what the current owners did to get theirs.
Also you're still missing the point totally, it doesn't matter how much it costs to build an item from the BPO, the only thing that matters is the market cost and the cost to invent, which is entirely determined by other inventors regardless of if there's a BPO, and due to the perception that the BPOs actually are rivals, often the items that have T2 BPOs have far greater profits than the invention only items which sell for quite often a loss as people just 'assume' they're making a profit since without a BPO owner there couldn't possibly be someone undercutting them and losing money.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
V O O D O O
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Unique ship function: To wave your Epeen around looking cool until getting blown to smithereens.
Unique T2 BPO function: To produce unlimited amounts of T2 ships and modules much cheaper than any rival until the game ends.
Just for info: Some interesting calculations done in a Hulk BPO auction that sold for 100 Billion - "How much a BPO can save you"
Except that the T2 BPO doesn't produce an unlimited amount, it produces a fixed amount, invention produces a fixed amount. That calculation shows that someone building two invented hulks makes more than someone building one with the BPO.
The Hulk BPO sold to someone that paid 100 billion isk for it, but and even if they only built 1 for 1 it would take around 14 YEARS to pay back compared to someone just inventing their BPCs and building exactly the same amount.
Ok, so we've established that the people that got them in the lottery have now made 100b, the solution to that is to remove them from the people that paid 100b for them?
The hulk of course is the extreme example, most T2 BPOs are much cheaper and make much less isk, some have no value whatsoever other than their value as a unique item.
You're also proving that even the best T2 BPOs are still just as available now as they have ever been, to anyone willing to pay for them. In order to gain that exact advantage you're claiming is unfair, you only need to do exactly what the current owners did to get theirs.
Also you're still missing the point totally, it doesn't matter how much it costs to build an item from the BPO, the only thing that matters is the market cost and the cost to invent, which is entirely determined by other inventors regardless of if there's a BPO, and due to the perception that the BPOs actually are rivals, often the items that have T2 BPOs have far greater profits than the invention only items which sell for quite often a loss as people just 'assume' they're making a profit since without a BPO owner there couldn't possibly be someone undercutting them and losing money.
t2 bpo produces twice as fast per slot as invented bpc, have ~50% less waste. so its around profitable as using 3 invented bpcs, dont forget lab times for inventing ,and owning bpo you can invent also other stuff.
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:36:00 -
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Fitz,
Either you'd delibrately being obtuse to support a weak argument or you're being very short sighted.
Unlimited runs means unlimited production - oh unless you want to factor in that the average human lifespan is 72 years-ish, possibly 30 of which could be spent at the computer clicking a mouse, at 30 clicks per minute equates to some fixed amount. Cool. At the end of time the BPO is still churning out a steady flow of cheaper T2 because it has....unlimited runs.
You say it'd take 14 years to pay off - people aren't looking to "pay off" BPOs they buy because they are speculating that the value they paid for it will hold or increase, meaning when they come to sell it - they have made their profit and recouped the resale. Its the 'musical chair argument' posted earlier in the thread if you'd bothered to read it.
In fact your assumptions and everything else you've said in your arguments has already been said, along with counter argument and some suggestions, so if you'd bothered to read the thread you'd have realised you've arrived late to the debate with nothing new.
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Jennifer Meek
Gallente
Certified Crazy People
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.25 19:21:00 -
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So if someone cant have something (false anyway) then remove from the game? One does not follow from the other except when you hear 6yo's argue in the playground.
This thread should be on the WOW forums, its full of the same crap.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 25/07/2009 23:53:18
Originally by: Zartanic
So if someone cant have something (false anyway) then remove from the game? .
Yes because can't in most cases means cant no matter what. Not because someone is an newb ,unorginized , stupid , ****** or dont uderstand a game , and it influence the rest of the playerbase.
T2Bpos holders should be compensated somehow though
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.25 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 25/07/2009 23:55:38
Originally by: baltec1
EvE is like real life, people have things you dont. Also just like the real world life in eve is not fair.
If it was like RL , poeple would not be bound by a game mechanics.
If you are comparing eve with RL , i am pitty for your RL that you do not see a diffrence
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.26 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 01:10:10
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 01:09:52
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 01:08:37
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 25/07/2009 23:53:18
Originally by: Zartanic
So if someone cant have something (false anyway) then remove from the game? .
Yes because can't in most cases means cant no matter what. Not because someone is an newb ,unorginized , stupid , ****** or dont uderstand a game , and it influence the rest of the playerbase.
T2Bpos holders should be compensated somehow though
I totally disagree. The fact you cannot have something does not automatically mean it should be removed. That's true of everything. I will never own a Titan but they affect me directly or indirectly, so remove them? Where do you stop?
If T2 BPO's were massively distorting the market I would understand but its not. Those that got the BPO's did so legally irrespective of the game mechanic. If CCP removed them it would actually cause a loss of trust which would cause other bad effects with many players rightly ****ed off. You can't compensate for a player who manufactures with their BPO in mind, how do you do that?
If you were arguing that invention should be improved then fine, but your not approaching it from that angle.
Also the payback for T2 BPO is so large that they are useless for profit making, but you ignore that. The way BPO's were awarded was a stupid system, it was changed, but you can't undo what has been done.
Really all I see is a player resentful that someone has something they think they can't have with no argument that stacks up to close scrutiny.
You see players saying 'its not fair..insert reason X' for a whole load of reasons in a lot in MMORPG's and it ruins games when they get everything they want.
If your hapopy with the ISK/hour from Invention then do it, otherwise don't.
I suspect CCP would love to get rid of them too but they are here to stay, they are like a cancer that would kill the patient if removed but they are well under control due to invention and their insane cost.
EDIT: I don't have a Tier 2 BPO and its unlikely I ever will. I also don't have a Titan or an ingame cat called snuggles.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.26 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 01:10:10
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 01:09:52
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 01:08:37
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 25/07/2009 23:53:18
Originally by: Zartanic
So if someone cant have something (false anyway) then remove from the game? .
Yes because can't in most cases means cant no matter what. Not because someone is an newb ,unorginized , stupid , ****** or dont uderstand a game , and it influence the rest of the playerbase.
T2Bpos holders should be compensated somehow though
I totally disagree. The fact you cannot have something does not automatically mean it should be removed. That's true of everything. I will never own a Titan but they affect me directly or indirectly, so remove them? Where do you stop?
If T2 BPO's were massively distorting the market I would understand but its not. Those that got the BPO's did so legally irrespective of the game mechanic. If CCP removed them it would actually cause a loss of trust which would cause other bad effects with many players rightly ****ed off. You can't compensate for a player who manufactures with their BPO in mind, how do you do that?
If you were arguing that invention should be improved then fine, but your not approaching it from that angle.
Also the payback for T2 BPO is so large that they are useless for profit making, but you ignore that. The way BPO's were awarded was a stupid system, it was changed, but you can't undo what has been done.
Really all I see is a player resentful that someone has something they think they can't have with no argument that stacks up to close scrutiny.
You see players saying 'its not fair..insert reason X' for a whole load of reasons in a lot in MMORPG's and it ruins games when they get everything they want.
If your hapopy with the ISK/hour from Invention then do it, otherwise don't.
I suspect CCP would love to get rid of them too but they are here to stay, they are like a cancer that would kill the patient if removed but they are well under control due to invention and their insane cost.
EDIT: I don't have a Tier 2 BPO and its unlikely I ever will. I also don't have a Titan or an ingame cat called snuggles.
I dont now why people compare t2bpo to other stuff in game , it is totaly diffrent matter.
You should see the diffrence in T2Bpo and a titan.
1. Titan can be created , thus allowing anyone acces to the class of the titan one is willing to have, and now importatn part : It does not depend on player willingness to sell .
T2 Bpo cant be created or found or get in by other activity, and so it accessability it purly in the hands of poeple that already poses them .
2. If you want to get an advantage of a titan you have to fly in open space thus you risk loosing it
T2 Bpo can safely farm money in a station.
Do you see the diffrence ?
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.26 15:17:00 -
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I have a solution to this problem that everyone can be happy with.
Bring back t2 bpo lotteries and change invented bpc's so they don't give negative pe/me.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.26 15:30:00 -
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I have my eye on a T2 BPO. If I do ever manage to get it why should I then have it nerfed after paying 30 billion just because you are unwilling to go and earn enough isk and wait for what you want to turn up on contracts?
I am in exactly the same position as you at the moment but what makes me different is that I am willing to put in the work needed to aquire one.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.26 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
If it was like RL , poeple would not be bound by a game mechanics.
If you are comparing eve with RL , i am pitty for your RL that you do not see a diffrence
On weekends I put on my cape and wizard hat, and fly around saving people from evil overlords using my reality-bending super-powers. My neighbors keep calling the police for some reason, Do They Not UNDERSTAND The DANGER They're IN?!?!?
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
If it was like RL , poeple would not be bound by a game mechanics.
If you are comparing eve with RL , i am pitty for your RL that you do not see a diffrence
On weekends I put on my cape and wizard hat, and fly around saving people from evil overlords using my reality-bending super-powers. My neighbors keep calling the police for some reason, Do They Not UNDERSTAND The DANGER They're IN?!?!?
funny, I pictured you more of a fairy wings and little wand with a star on the end sort of person.
No seriously, I have a friend who moonlights as a overlord vanquishing wizard on weekends, he says the oh&s sucks but the payoff from the bonus chest in the overlords throne room is fantastic.
As for myself, people are just gealous because I have the whole fire and brimstone anti undead priest thing going on. They say it's unfair because only people holyier than thou can do it. NB: not a catholic priest, little children are not included in the job description.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.26 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 26/07/2009 16:44:18
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
If it was like RL , poeple would not be bound by a game mechanics.
If you are comparing eve with RL , i am pitty for your RL that you do not see a diffrence
On weekends I put on my cape and wizard hat, and fly around saving people from evil overlords using my reality-bending super-powers. My neighbors keep calling the police for some reason, Do They Not UNDERSTAND The DANGER They're IN?!?!?
I see you dont comprehend the diffrence between boundariess of the reality that surround us and a boundariess of game mechanics.
Unless of course the only reality you now are computer games , then it could fit your logic.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
There's only one reason you need for removing t2 bpo's. It's that no one else can get new one in same way than they were originally distributed. It should be common sense. It doesn't matter how much profit people make with them. It's just that everyone should have same possibility for getting the same stuff, eventually.
So we should get a new election of the Gallente president so everyone can try to get the Meghatron Federate Issue?
we should get the same events/tourneys that gave out the Tribal Tempest, the State Raven and the other special ships?
Those events/tourneys have stopped, so the should be removed as we can't get the ships the same way?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kalintos Tyl
t2 bpo produces twice as fast per slot as invented bpc, have ~50% less waste. so its around profitable as using 3 invented bpcs, dont forget lab times for inventing ,and owning bpo you can invent also other stuff.
100 billions for a T2 BPO.
How many trained alts with the skills for invention and the standing with the appropriate corporations can you buy with that? and how many months of GTC for them?
Same initial investment, on one side you have 1 BPO running production, on the other several characters costing you 0 isk and 0 $ running 11 invention jobs.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
There's only one reason you need for removing t2 bpo's. It's that no one else can get new one in same way than they were originally distributed. It should be common sense. It doesn't matter how much profit people make with them. It's just that everyone should have same possibility for getting the same stuff, eventually.
So we should get a new election of the Gallente president so everyone can try to get the Meghatron Federate Issue?
we should get the same events/tourneys that gave out the Tribal Tempest, the State Raven and the other special ships?
Those events/tourneys have stopped, so the should be removed as we can't get the ships the same way?
I am pointing this thing over and over again
To T2BPO apply diffrent rules.
To get an dvantage of special ships you have to undock thus risking it getting blown
T2BPO can safely farm money in a station, and they influence the rest of the playerbase (I dont argue how much since no one realy knows, but they do even if slightly).
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.26 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
There's only one reason you need for removing t2 bpo's. It's that no one else can get new one in same way than they were originally distributed. It should be common sense. It doesn't matter how much profit people make with them. It's just that everyone should have same possibility for getting the same stuff, eventually.
So we should get a new election of the Gallente president so everyone can try to get the Meghatron Federate Issue?
we should get the same events/tourneys that gave out the Tribal Tempest, the State Raven and the other special ships?
Those events/tourneys have stopped, so the should be removed as we can't get the ships the same way?
I am pointing this thing over and over again
To T2BPO apply diffrent rules.
To get an dvantage of special ships you have to undock thus risking it getting blown
T2BPO can safely farm money in a station, and they influence the rest of the playerbase (I dont argue how much since no one realy knows, but they do even if slightly).
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
This doesn't only apply on t2 bpo's but everything else in any game tbh.
There's too many "ancient" relics in eve which shouldn't exist anymore. They probably were funny when eve had like 5 players online but not anymore. This is not some small server where "game master" can give some neat stuff for some "nice" players and expect everyone would agree or keep it fair and be happy forever.
Your own words.
So coherency isn't one of your strong points, right?
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.26 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 26/07/2009 20:26:20
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 26/07/2009 20:21:19
You made a mistake , the second quote are not my words .Read more carefully next time ...
I am definietly not Laechyd Eldgorn
Yes i have quoted his text, not really reading it only becuase your post had it in it.
Maybe that confused you.
My point was to answer you post .
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2009.07.26 20:51:00 -
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The idea of an MMO is usually based on the concept of the GRIND. Basically everything in the game is available to everyone if your willing to GRIND for it, that is to work hard over and over again till you finally reach the goal of that one thing you want, Be it skills, levels, equipment, spells... What ever have you.
The idea behind T2 BPO's is now not about grind, its about what few of them are left been in the hands of those who had the cash in the first place to buy them off someone else. Or those old enough to have been around during the T2 lotteries and were lucky enough to get a BPO.
In the end those who were rich before, use their isk to buy BPO's and continue to be filthy rich now. Sounds a bit askew to the MMO ethos.
Bring back T2 BPO lotteries, then we can say that their existance is fair.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.07.26 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 21:14:22
MMORPG's have items that are no longer available, in some games they are innumerable.
In WOW the same argument is presented for an item called an Imani War Bear. At the time you had to be one of the top players to get it as it took skill. It was removed from the game as bad players had no chance and they moaned and moaned about it so they took out the chance to get one. Now those same bad players want it removed from those who got one or given to them for free, this is long after it should have been forgotten.
Jealousy is rife in internet games. All the reasons for their removal are simply made up or irrelevant and I can apply it myself to a lot of this game.
In life, as in games, you cant have everything, get used to it. Enjoy what you can and stop being bitter about others luck or success.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 21:22:38
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 21:21:58
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 21:19:48
Edited by: Zartanic on 26/07/2009 21:14:22
And how do you think they got that cash or got 'lucky', moaning and not playing? They earned it, simple as that. They paid virtual money which is an opportunity cost. Tech 2 BPO's are NOT free.
MMORPG's have items that are no longer available, in some games they are innumerable.
In WOW the same argument is presented for an item called an Imani War Bear. At the time you had to be one of the top players to get it as it took skill. It was removed from the game as bad players had no chance so they moaned and moaned about it and the company caved in and stopped anyone getting one. Now those same bad players want it removed from those who got one. This is long after it should have been forgotten.
Jealousy is rife in internet games. All the reasons for their removal are simply made up or irrelevant and I can apply it myself to a lot of this game.
In life, as in games, you cant have everything, get used to it. Enjoy what you can and stop being bitter about others luck or success.
So here is my list of things I will NEVER have in this game and I want removed as they affect me:
1. Large Corporations and Alliances
2. Capital ships and large capital structures
3. Invention and Tech 2 (cant afford it)
4. Tech 3
5 Non consensual PVP
6. Drugs and top level implants
7. Anything I decide I don't like as I cant have it.
I am sorry to say this but your arguments are the stupidest of all.
According to you logic you can NEVER have those :
1. You can have it. Either Join large corporation and alliance or create your own and make your it your way.
2.Build your self capital ships or structure or buy it. ( your are not dependant of other players wiilingness to sell since you can built them yourself)
3.I am now thinkng wtf. How is it you will never have an invetion ??? . Are you a reta.rd ? Again ( your are not dependant of other players wiilingness to sell since you can built them yourself)
4.Train skills ? Build it your self ? ( Again the same situsation , the thing that distingush T2 BPo from other things)
5. I AM SURE THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLAYERS THAT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT FOR FREE .
6. For Drugs points 2,3,4 for Implant , you can do missions your self .
7. It is your only your ******ness( or that you play few hours a month) that is stooping you to get all those things . Unlike, you can never have T2BPOS if players ARE NOT WILLING TO SELL THEM. Thats how T2BPOS come with such a high price( And only those that owners are willing to sell), it comes from a human psychology.
ALL those things you mentioned can be eventually multiplied by the ammount of poeple that play EVE EXCEPT those unfortunate T2BPOS.
Plese read my last sentence and think about it.
And poeple stop comparing t2Bpos to other stuff since they are bound by diffrent rules.
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Posted - 2009.07.27 01:44:00 -
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I know what your talking about its all about market and placement and when the asshat with the t2 bpo comes in and tries to put you out of commission you have 2 options, move or kill them I generally kill them till they quit the game. I am very visious as I as you have serious issues as seeing this as a fair system and I generally chase people from the game using t2 bpo, I pretty much call them a cheater I even tell them stop using it or I am killing you to till you quit eve.
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Vault Overseer
Divine Retribution
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.07.27 02:42:00 -
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i hope you guys understand that he is just trolling? so no point to argue... and if he really is that stupid, theres no point in doing it as well, as stupid people are usually resistant to logicical arguments, and will never move from their position.
i will prey for you, poor fellow
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