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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.07.20 14:59:00 -
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What is COSMOS and how will it work with EVE Online? CCP Caedmon gives us the scoop in his newest dev blog.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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CCP Lemur
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:04:00 -
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So from there on nobody will ever get any work done anymore?  Are you working or are you able to access face... err COSMOS?
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Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:15:00 -
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Will we have maillist functionaility etc for ingame mail in the early releases ?
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:19:00 -
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Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed. 
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Syberbolt8
Gallente
Oblivion Industries
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:20:00 -
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Looking forward to the eve-mail update
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:23:00 -
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in before chribba \o/
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:24:00 -
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WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:29:00 -
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Sounds great so far ... but I'm a bit confused, what does this have to do with the current COSMOS system in game (COSMOS systems and agents) - or is this the same name for 2 totally different things ?
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 20/07/2009 15:35:04
Edited by: Frug on 20/07/2009 15:34:35
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a new mail system
What?
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a new mail system
YES oh thank god
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a new contacts system, which brings in two-way agreed friendships
This concerns me. Will this affect finding people who, say, don't want to be found in game?
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:38:00 -
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This sounds great and all, but what does this mean for the EVE API? "You can use COSMOS for that, thus we don't need to give you an API for it"? EVEmail API has been possibly the most requested API since day one. Will we be getting API equivalents for everything COSMOS does?
I care little about CCP-maintained sites as CCP doesn't have the strongest record when it comes to maintaining websites and making them useful/relevant in the way the style of site demands (see: the forums, Evelopedia). A CCP social networking site (That's all this is, by the sound of it)? Hello MySpaceOnline. If CCP had given the community an API to EVEmail a year ago we'd have EVEmails tied into Thunderbird/Outlook through IMAP/SMTP, we'd have Gevemail, you name it. A few hundred developers working because they want to make something awesome will always beat a company and few teams of ten working on a spec they've not had much input on.
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Treelox
Amarr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed.
I knew that this blog was in reference to the social networking concept known as "COSMOS", but I still wonder why CCP chose a name they had already used for something else.
TBH CCP has hinted that they will not be fixing the ingame "COSMOS" missions something to do with their new mission writing tools.
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Treelox
Amarr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
I for one am a loyal user, and I do not want WiS. I signed up to play an interwebz spaceship game, not watch avatars walk around.
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Resivan
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:52:00 -
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Access to in-game mail through an out-of-game website is cool, I suppose. But if you want to make available a currently in-game function out-of-game, I'd put skill management at the top of the list. The skill queue is a big help, but when you're away from home it's a lot easier to find a computer with internet access than one that you can install and run Eve on.
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
Thukk U
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:56:00 -
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Regarding the "two-way agreed friendships", please make it "friends and foes" so you can have your enemies on it as well, might even take it from the standing list of the alliance/corporations/personal as it would also make the "ingame social network profile" complete rather than "just having a simple friend list".
Especially with alliance/corp/personal standings this should/could tie from the COSMOS to the ingame standings and would be muchos awesome.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:56:00 -
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And like simular features in games like EQII and WoW something that will be mostly ignored or not used by 99% of the playerbase beyond pokeing around at it when it goes live.
Seriously most buisnesses and even more and more schools and public librarys nowdays block you from going to any websight that feature "out of game suport for ingame play" as part of there basic web policy
you end up with a situation where if your going to log in just to check your "evemail" you might as well just log into the game.
overall Im kind of meh on the whole thing.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.07.20 15:57:00 -
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Will we gain the ability to check evemails using an external email client? IMAP access would be ideal.
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Rokkit Kween
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:00:00 -
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Pff, facebook in space. not needed. Not big, not clever.
An upgrade to the mail system, yes needed, but not with all the bells and whistles. We have EVEmon, EVEHQ, Meep, EFT and all the rest for that.
What I'd like to see is a separate client for in game communications (chat, mail and voice) so that you can check your in game mail on a computer that can't access the main client (at work maybe). A separate voice client would mean that if you DC you don't lose voice comms (which is what currently happens with EVE-Voice), and an external chat client for the same reason.
We don't need a facebook/myspace clone thank you very much we have facebook for that.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Will we gain the ability to check evemails using an external email client? IMAP access would be ideal.
Nah you know them too well, they'd implement their own thing over a standard, like they did with the API instead of using webservices or any other perfectly serviceable existing standard. Why use standards when you can reinvent the wheel?
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Merende Macaco
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:14:00 -
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Something compact that I can access from my cellphone would be nice, would help in scheduling ops when I'm at work, while not having to monkey around attempting to bypass the draconian filters.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rokkit Kween
Pff, facebook in space. not needed. Not big, not clever.
An upgrade to the mail system, yes needed, but not with all the bells and whistles. We have EVEmon, EVEHQ, Meep, EFT and all the rest for that.
All 3rd party programs are just that: 3rd party. That means CCP doesn't own them and doesn't have any quality control over them. Besides, those programs don't always work on all plateforms, so your argument is pretty much pointless. It IS needed, and has been for a very long time.
Originally by: Rokkit Kween
What I'd like to see is a separate client for in game communications (chat, mail and voice) so that you can check your in game mail on a computer that can't access the main client (at work maybe). A separate voice client would mean that if you DC you don't lose voice comms (which is what currently happens with EVE-Voice), and an external chat client for the same reason.
We don't need a facebook/myspace clone thank you very much we have facebook for that.
In case you haven't read properly, that's exactly what they said they would do. You will be able to access this COSMOS thing via a website (external to the game) and from inside the game.
CCP don't listen to these people and keep working on it, we do need such a tool.
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Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
And like simular features in games like EQII and WoW something that will be mostly ignored or not used by 99% of the playerbase beyond pokeing around at it when it goes live.
Seriously most buisnesses and even more and more schools and public librarys nowdays block you from going to any websight that feature "out of game suport for ingame play" as part of there basic web policy
you end up with a situation where if your going to log in just to check your "evemail" you might as well just log into the game.
overall Im kind of meh on the whole thing.
Dude, you really need to learn how to spell. That was pretty painful to read.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: riverini on 20/07/2009 16:36:59
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
I for one am a loyal user, and I do not want WiS. I signed up to play an interwebz spaceship game, not watch avatars walk around.
Good, now GO AND PLAY YOUR GAME THEN!!! MOVE!!!
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:48:00 -
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woot page one in new blog
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Neramore
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:49:00 -
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iPhone interface, even if it's just a decent css for the iPhone browser would be nice.
I dream of an actual iPhone app, but I know that's just dreaming.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:59:00 -
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new forums
yeay
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Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Shadows of Light
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:20:00 -
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Sounds great
But why do you call it COSMOS? We already have a feature called like that. It's a bit confusing
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Kormorant
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed.
Same....
How to confuse things... why not use a new name? Or are you going to rename the existing mess that is COSMOS?
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:27:00 -
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I believe it when I see it. Somehow I fear CCP will find a reason 2 weeks prior to its release to pack it all up until further notice.
Ps: would have been a nice blog for Oveur, with much more information then now displayed. (one blog a year aint that much is it?)
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Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Maria Kalista
Amarr
Emerald Forest Securities
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ulair Memmet
Sounds great
But why do you call it COSMOS? We already have a feature called like that. It's a bit confusing
Its good you call it a feature since its kinda broken and not cared for for a long while.......
Originally by: Jacharian
This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
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Damia
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Damia on 20/07/2009 17:40:21
Originally by: Ix Forres
This sounds great and all, but what does this mean for the EVE API? "You can use COSMOS for that, thus we don't need to give you an API for it"? EVEmail API has been possibly the most requested API since day one. Will we be getting API equivalents for everything COSMOS does?
I entirely agree. However, two things.
The distinction between what the API is, and what a CCP hosted COSMOS site might be, is that the API does not allow you to transmit data TO the gaming environment from offline. This COSMOS site seems to promise the ability to perform actions from outside the game that traditionally players have had to be in the game to do (at first evemail, buddy lists ... then maybe contracts? ... someday maybe science/industry/market stuff?). I think CCP wants to avoid opening up the ability for players to design freeform tools that publish data to their servers. That is kind of a scary thought. You thought in-game bots were bad? Imagine what a 3rd party ISKseller bot could do from offline manipulating markets and contracts. It's going to be bad enough that they will be able to scan killboards for pilot names and send us eve-mails advertising their "CH3APe$T PR1c oN ISKs". Huge can of worms there.
Second. Why the hell call it COSMOS. While you're at it, overhaul the contracts system again, only don't call them contracts, call them missions. Or fix POS's, only don't call them POS's, call them stations. Or maybe remove asteroid belts, and just call them planets. Acronym reuse ftw.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:42:00 -
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I like the idea of a social network tie-in, but had to point out one little thing from your "Agile Manifesto" that bugged me,
Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount
of work not done--is essential. (third line from the bottom)
Uh... is it supposed to say that?
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Ruziel
Minmatar
Twilight Military Industrial Complex
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:48:00 -
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Another pilot here questioning the reuse of the COSMOS name for something completely different. Isn't there enough confusion stemming from the use of the term PLEX to refer to both complexes and the new(ish) Pilot License Extensions?
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Mors Magne
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:49:00 -
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I enjoy Facebook so I should enjoy COSMOS.
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Theodore Kaczynski
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
As a loyal user, I'd like to ask you to kindly **** off. There are so many more useful things for CCP to fix or improve than implementing a worthless feature like walking in stations. A better website just happens to be one of them. If I wanted WoW, I'd play WoW. I don't; I want to fly awesome spaceships.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed.
This. A thousand times this.
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Honest Smedley
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Honest Smedley on 20/07/2009 18:08:13
Much support for being able to check and respond to eve-mails, monitor in-game chat channels (corp, alliance, public channels, etc.) and respond to in-game mailing lists through a web interface. Even more support for a reasonable forum re-work.
Curious to hear more about ideas and intentions though. Are you planning to allow the creation, fulfillment, acceptance and/or browsing of contracts out of game? Are you planing on allowing the market to be browsed and interacted with as though you were logged in on the character in question? Are you planning on integrating COSMOS with the in-game voice chat? I presume web-based skill changing is somewhere in there, but you've previously expressed a desire to force people to log in to change their skills so perhaps not.
Eager to hear more.
Edit: How about a corp management page? or a 'current POS fuel status' page? : )
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:23:00 -
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turning eve from a hobby (get over it its more than "just" a game) into a job ? super ...
Originally by: devblog
oh alright, and so that we are truly Agile in our development process û we will be releasing features bit by bit.
in true eve tradition that means realease a halfbaked thing, let the bugs sit arround for 2 years while new stuff is released in the "expansions"
amirite ?
also the great history of ccp maitaining websites speaks for itself
id rather have the current stuff fixed/maintained than new stuff i that turns this hobby into a full blown job
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Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
Truth and Reconciliation Council
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed.
Originally by: Treelox
[I knew that this blog was in reference to the social networking concept known as "COSMOS", but I still wonder why CCP chose a name they had already used for something else.
TBH CCP has hinted that they will not be fixing the ingame "COSMOS" missions something to do with their new mission writing tools.
Originally by: Ulair Memmet
But why do you call it COSMOS? We already have a feature called like that. It's a bit confusing
These pretty much sum up my feelings. However I found the answer on another forum (SHC)
Originally by: Hippoking
the original COSMOS started off as one of their major plans, and then was uninteresting enough that they figured they'd just reuse the name
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:55:00 -
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1. When and what is the first iteration?
2. Will you still be able to check if people are online without their express consent?
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Donatien de'Sade
Ars Notoria
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Posted - 2009.07.20 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Donatien de''Sade on 20/07/2009 19:06:59
I seem to recall Oveur having a character involved in farming COSMOS plexes, so really can't see how you failed to notice COSMOS is already in game !?
Given your total failure to integrate and revamp the existing COSMOS in light of wormhole space etc, what are you going to do with all the existing COSMOS stuff? ignore it as usual?
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 19:42:00 -
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New forums lets hope they work as well as the current ones. oh wait...
Regards
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.20 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
This concerns me. Will this affect finding people who, say, don't want to be found in game?
OH THANK GOODNESS YES! Less metagaming FTW.
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CCP Gangleri
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.20 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
1. When and what is the first iteration?
2. Will you still be able to check if people are online without their express consent?
1. Winter 2009, more blogs to come.
2. Yes.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.07.20 21:40:00 -
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The wording of the dev blog is really giving me a headache.
So a few guys I'm talking to is reading the dev blog to the effect that COSMOS will be done by the winter expansion, but we will get small bits of functionality before then. Which would then mean that we would get a new forum by Winter 2009.
I read it as if that the very first features will be a part of Winter 2009 expansion. But the new forum won't be a part of that expansion.
Could you clarify? Will we see COSMOS before winter 2009, and will the new forum be out with the expansion or after?
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Notorious Fuzz
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Posted - 2009.07.20 22:05:00 -
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Will there be access controls on our profile content? For example, Id like to maintain an enemies list (so they cant see anything at all, or very limited) the a-typical friends list, alliance/corp access (alliance needs to know things like cyno-capability, while corp probably needs to know more in depth stuff like actual skill levels and ship types), so on and so forth.
Furthermore, to browse the site will it require a login first? No anonymous browsing like on the forum. (and maybe a ticker system to see how often your profile is viewed)
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.20 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
1. When and what is the first iteration?
2. Will you still be able to check if people are online without their express consent?
1. Winter 2009, more blogs to come.
2. Yes.
Ok, thanks for answering. After re-reading the blog I can see #1 was a pointless question.
But this blog is essentially a notice of delay, which is the reason for my initial confusion. It repeats the exact same thing CCP claimed last November only instead of Q1 2009, the goalposts were moved to Q4 2009.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.20 22:37:00 -
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i would of prefered if you went into move detail on your blogs instead of just breifly going over new things.
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Cailais
Amarr
Diablo Advocatus
Diablo Advocatus.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:14:00 -
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Sounds pretty interesting, being able to be linked into EVE whilst not specifically logged on intrigues me. Can we have some more detail?
C.
Originally by: Capa
So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
What is COSMOS and how will it work with EVE Online?
You mean that constellation/PVE thingy which you released borked and left to die aeons ago?
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Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:10:00 -
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WILL WE BE ABLE TO ADD ENEMIES TO CONTACT LIST WITHOUT APPROVAL.
If the answer is no, this is complete and utter bull****.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 21/07/2009 01:22:51
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Frug
This concerns me. Will this affect finding people who, say, don't want to be found in game?
OH THANK GOODNESS YES! Less metagaming FTW.
Aw, sorry bro. I guess you'll have to deal with the "metagaming" of someone knowing when it's possible to find you for a while longer.
I sure hope you don't "metagame" yourself offline when you're done at the end of the the day. That would be cheap.
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Manu Hermanus
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2009.07.21 01:56:00 -
[52]
Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
if you read their other dev blogs you would know, not this year. and there are a bunch of forum threads on missions (now closed)/cosmos missions/sovereignty, where ccp is asking for player input. and fanfest is coming up soonish, so they will probably have stuff then.
so they are redoing contracts/mail in the first bit, and some random other stuff with pages
will storefronts be included?
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Savage Creampuff
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:41:00 -
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Nossa Farad is still broken.
oh wait...
Quote:
I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Savage Creampuff
Nossa Farad is still broken.
oh wait...
There is COSMOS and there is COSMOS. Its easy to see that CCP cares only about COSMOS but not COSMOS :X
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Mahai Ano
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.07.21 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mahai Ano on 21/07/2009 02:58:04
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed.
QFT. Why name the new site for an existing - albeit HORRIBLY BROKEN and abandoned - part of the game if it wishes to be not so broken?
Or does this mean that the ingame cosmos is slanted to be removed alltogether? Just not to get too confusing?
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Fabienne Jax
Minmatar
Deja Skye
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Posted - 2009.07.21 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
dude....quit being so emotional.
there's alrdy enough info out there to know WiS will not be this year. since you're chompin at the bit you might as well get used to it until well into next year.
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riverini
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fabienne Jax
Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
dude....quit being so emotional.
there's alrdy enough info out there to know WiS will not be this year. since you're chompin at the bit you might as well get used to it until well into next year.
lol, i just want ONE single devblog with some updates of what is been working, throw ppl a bone to maw...
to the guy upthere who said i could go and play WOW, am pretty sure the themepark formula won't be used on WiS i don't like that formula so... nope.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:51:00 -
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you had me until i readed the first rule.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2009.07.21 04:52:00 -
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Something else to look forward to at Fanfest this year. The screen mock-ups last year looked good. Please don't forget to include Alliance level functionality - I can imagine a lot of empty corp calendars with nothing going down. 
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Came hoping for a rework of the broken COSMOS ingame, left disappointed.
This FFS
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.07.21 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Edited by: Frug on 21/07/2009 01:22:51
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Frug
This concerns me. Will this affect finding people who, say, don't want to be found in game?
OH THANK GOODNESS YES! Less metagaming FTW.
Aw, sorry bro. I guess you'll have to deal with the "metagaming" of someone knowing when it's possible to find you for a while longer.
I sure hope you don't "metagame" yourself offline when you're done at the end of the the day. That would be cheap.
When I log in and 30+ targeted mission runners log out within 2-3 minutes, it's a problem. If this goes through, plus the removal of local I can see a new golden age of PVP dawning. Too bad that if it ever happens 95% of the 0.0 peeps will flee to highsec.
-murder one
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Taudia
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.21 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Box
I like the idea of a social network tie-in, but had to point out one little thing from your "Agile Manifesto" that bugged me,
Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount
of work not done--is essential. (third line from the bottom)
Uh... is it supposed to say that?
Yes, but here's how it should be understood:
"If the task can be accomplished in a way that requires less work than the chosen solution, that solution is preferred"
In other words, if you have defined your problem precisely, doing extra work is waste.
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Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.21 10:53:00 -
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will you be doing something to the igb as well? overhaul? replacement? speedup (oh PLEASE!)?
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SEN 5243
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:18:00 -
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the idea is great ccp but please dont forget to also fix things
that need fixing so highquality is ensured
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Korerin Mayul
Amarr
The R.I.T.U.A.L Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:20:00 -
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OH HELL YEAH!
finally CCP have given me a way to further squander my time at work :D
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Vyktor Abyss
Gallente
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 11:27:00 -
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No offense but what an aweful choice of name:
COSMOS historically is a total fail area of EVE, with unique missions that were implemented and forgotten about.
COSMOS "Mini-Professions" that never really got past adding an exploration complex or two (literally) plus a module.
Unique and mostly useless (sub Tech 2), expensive to build, COSMOS items that only now after years of being forgotten are finally sellable/searchable on contracts.
An unwise choice of name if you expect to whip up excitement for what sounds like an (unnecessary IMHO) Facebook/Social networking page for Eve. 
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Freidrich Nietchize
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.07.21 12:44:00 -
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I don't post a lot but how can things improve unless the community is involved.
This looks dumb, so I hope it pans out for you guys.
I just wonder if the community feels strongly about this flopping, wouldn't allocating these resources elsewhere be more beneficial to the game? You guys have plenty of issues to fix and half-a**ing the "new content" never goes over well.
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Panem EtCircenses
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Posted - 2009.07.21 13:24:00 -
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I hope this provides some tools for corp management. Some way of organising notes on members out of game, and allowing directors to search through them.
Also, some way of seeing members skills would be nice and in some way linking them to set skill plans, to see who can fly what ships, or whether new members have trained learnings up or not (ineve is a bit inadiquate, and I don't like having everyone in EVEmon).
All this on an external web page would be really really nice, here's to hoping COSMOS provides a small portion of this.
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.21 14:09:00 -
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Again no Walking in stations? Guys, you keep comming up with stuff that noone really needs (that stuff there is at best a lame excuse for not bringing WiS), where is the real stuff? Give us at least an update on how far WiS has progressed.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:11:00 -
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A very poor choice of Name. I doubt that EVE really needs to go Facebook-ish.
Also the whole name is fail, since the original COSMOS Feature is broken since its release and has been abandoned long ago. Now a lot of people just got reminded of that.
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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Shigawahhhhh
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2009.07.21 15:42:00 -
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Depending on what there doing with this depends on how useful it will be...if its a out of game Facebook as some people have suggested we don't need it...if however it gives me a way to contact people in game without being in game that would be awesome. I'm a gamer when I'm not working I don't always play eve but if people could give me a yell when stuff was happening or a mission was being run I'd happy log in...so this might be good...seems a funny choice of name though
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Treelox
Amarr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.07.21 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Katana Seiko
Again no Walking in stations? Guys, you keep comming up with stuff that noone really needs (that stuff there is at best a lame excuse for not bringing WiS), where is the real stuff? Give us at least an update on how far WiS has progressed.
Working as intended IMO, since I dont really need WiS.
If Cosmos gives us better tools for corp organization and communications, that is a far better tool and far more needed than any avatar butt swinging in a station has ever been.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae
Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:39:00 -
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Another social network? Boring.....
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Epona Thunderhoof
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Posted - 2009.07.21 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rokkit Kween
Pff, facebook in space. not needed. Not big, not clever.
This will be more than just "Facebook in space," if what I have heard about is true. For example, an integrated calendar for event planning. I don't know about you, but that would be incredibly awesome for me. Perhaps we will also see integrated corporation announcements (both public and private) / blog system. Maybe this will also finally cure the very limited biography space that the serious role players have been complaining about for a long time.
Don't be so negative, give it a chance. It may end up being a really cool feature. If it ends up being really crappy, then you can bash it as much as you'd like.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Caedmon on 21/07/2009 22:12:52
IÆve done my best to answer as many of your questions as I can below. As I said in the blog, this was only the first of many. We plan to release a new blog every couple of weeks and will give more details of new features and future plans as we go. Watch this space!
Will we have mail-list functionality in an early release?
The mail system we are designing will be more in line with the mail clients we all use out of game. We want to reproduce as much of their functions and flexibility as is useful in-game. The old in-game mail has served us well, but the world has moved on and itÆs time for an update. There will be more details on the new mail system in an upcoming devblog.
Why call it COSMOS?
Thanks for all the feedback on the name. We agree that this might be confusing and for now COSMOS is a working title only. We may change it if we can think of anything better (suggestions, anyone?) or we may choose to keep it. CCPOveur really loves the name. He also feels that any confusion will quickly disappear post-release as this is such a different part of the game and if all goes to plan it will have a much higher profile than the feature that is currently known as COSMOS.
COSMOS and the API?
We are already thinking how best to get COSMOS features into the API. We want to give you guys the tools to continue to do all the cool stuff you do with EVE data. As always it is a question of priorities, but it makes sense to get as much as possible into the API as soon as possible. Otherwise, as CCPExplorer says, ôlife will find a wayö and you guys will get the data you want by other means.
Skill Management in COSMOS?
This is planned for a later release of COSMOS, i.e. after Winter 2009.
Two-way Friends list
CCPGangleri already covered this but to reiterate - the two-way friends system builds on the system we already have in place. You will still be able to see whether people are online without their knowledge or agreement. Two-way friendship will allow you to control access to your information and content on COSMOS. Also the Game Designers are already foaming at the mouth at the thought of the future gameplay possibilities.
Chat Client
Out of game text and voice chat are both on the roadmap for later releases of COSMOS, i.e. after Winter 2009.
iPhone Apps
There are currently no firm plans to release a CCP-made iPhone App. This is in no way connected to iPhone envy induced by AppleÆs decision not to launch the Jesus-phone here in Iceland. There are some player-made apps out there though.
Further Features
COSMOS will be an integrated part of the game, so we feel that when you change your market orders, contracts, skills or corp/alliance membership in COSMOS you are playing EVE just as much as if you were logged into the client.
The first release of COSMOS will be Winter 2009. We wonÆt see anything on TQ before then. We are planning to get changes onto Singularity as soon as they are ready for public testing.
New forums are high on our priority list. They may come in Winter 2009, if not, expect to see them soon after. As this will be solely web-based, we should not need to wait for a scheduled TQ expansion.
Profile and Content Privacy
We want to give you ultimate control over who sees your profile data and other content. We are implementing a privacy system across all COSMOS features to let you do that. Viewing nearly all content will require log-in. Public forums will be a likely exception to this.
In-Game Browser
We do have plans to upgrade the in-game browser for the Winter 2009 release. Indeed, a lot of what we want to do with COSMOS depends on it. One of the other Scrum teams is working on it and there should be a devblog coming soon with more details.
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Cailais
Amarr
Diablo Advocatus
Diablo Advocatus.
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:59:00 -
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Looks good [:D
What about Corporate info / tie in to the evelopedia? Will be able to include recruitment stuff? Manage contracts? Anything of that nature?
C.
Originally by: Capa
So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.21 23:16:00 -
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I am really hoping you'll fix the in-game browser. Not "improve" or "work on"... fix.
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Marcus Solomon
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.07.22 00:07:00 -
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Is the winter expansion seriously focused on Spacebook? The mind boggles.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.07.22 00:24:00 -
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If this is Evemail v2 then please grab all the developers from all the teams and throw them on this for a week.
Fast, easy communication is massively important.
It is cricical to creating room for eve to grow.
Currently the evemail system has the market, producers, organisers and everyone ham-strung.
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Odhinn Vinlandii
Gothic Fleet
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Posted - 2009.07.22 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Odhinn Vinlandii on 22/07/2009 00:42:22
Logically, this EVE social network should be called GAL-NET or Galactic Network and not COSMOS.
Could we please have some sort of Webalizer statistics type app for this? Instead of people//locations of the internet you would have people/systems/regions/items/markets in EVE.
ALSO! Please make an official integrated wikified Killboard.
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An eve 'real world' player geography map would be great for face-to-face meetups and beat-ups.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii
Logically, this EVE social network should be called GAL-NET or Galactic Network and not COSMOS.
I like this!
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Gangleri
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
1. When and what is the first iteration?
2. Will you still be able to check if people are online without their express consent?
1. Winter 2009, more blogs to come.
2. Yes.
just two questions
1)Will it be IE8 compatable
2) when will your main websight be IE 8 compatable? Im still haveing to defualt to Compatibility view
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.07.22 01:46:00 -
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EveBook.... please. PLEASE! PLEASE LET THIS BE A BAD JOKE! What would possess CCP to even think something like this is a good idea?!
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.22 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 22/07/2009 06:52:05
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 22/07/2009 06:50:20
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
The mail system we are designing will be more in line with the mail clients we all use out of game. We want to reproduce as much of their functions and flexibility as is useful in-game.
You are aware that out of game communication networks have reached a level of professionalism that you usually see in large real life corporations? I wouldn't be surprised if some corps used Lotus Notes since i heard of some using SAP..
I'd say that just about any feature in current mail and IM systems would be useful.. 
You'll have to put a lot of work in it though to compete with the robust and tested platform we've been building with synchronzed log-ins for jabber, forums and teamspeak. There's a good reason why no big alliance uses eve voice, so don't let that happen to COSMOS.
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
We are already thinking how best to get COSMOS features into the API. We want to give you guys the tools to continue to do all the cool stuff you do with EVE data.
Wouldn't it make more sense to make COSMOS a front-end of the Api, and not the other way round?
Originally by: Steve Thomas
1)Will it be IE8 compatable
2) when will your main websight be IE 8 compatable? Im still haveing to defualt to Compatibility view
My guess is that it's your ****ty browser that's incompatible with the internet..
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.07.22 08:46:00 -
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I like the GAL-NET suggestion or anything else but COSMOS for the name (Actually I find it hard to believe you weren't kidding in using that pre-existing name for this evebook thingie, I mean, seriously WTF ?).
Not very interested in the whole thing though. I just hate people I guess.
Would much rather hear more about the new forums.
The are 3 iPhone apps, in no particular order :
- Capsuleer
- iClone
- EVE Tracker
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Vanguard Frontiers
Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.22 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Caedmon
Will we have mail-list functionality in an early release?
The mail system we are designing will be more in line with the mail clients we all use out of game. We want to reproduce as much of their functions and flexibility as is useful in-game. The old in-game mail has served us well, but the world has moved on and itÆs time for an update. There will be more details on the new mail system in an upcoming devblog.
Does this mean you'll be actually using standard protocols like IMAP/SMTP or just that we'll have a more complex internal system? Will we have APIs for it, specifically, if it's not using IMAP/SMTP?
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
COSMOS and the API?
We are already thinking how best to get COSMOS features into the API. We want to give you guys the tools to continue to do all the cool stuff you do with EVE data. As always it is a question of priorities, but it makes sense to get as much as possible into the API as soon as possible. Otherwise, as CCP Explorer says, ôlife will find a wayö and you guys will get the data you want by other means.
I think I speak for most 3rd party devs when I say we feel that making the APIs available is more important than making COSMOS itself. As I said in an earlier post, with access to the right APIs you'd already have COSMOS and more. Of course, if APIs do not become available we'll simply do our own thing, but unless you let clients authenticate to COSMOS with the API, you'll have applications asking for EVE usernames/passwords to login to COSMOS and computationally click buttons. Not such a hot plan.
Will COSMOS provide any other functionality? OpenID provision, perhaps even a Jabber service that alliances could extend?
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
Chat Client
Out of game text and voice chat are both on the roadmap for later releases of COSMOS, i.e. after Winter 2009.
Will the chat system be some eldritch java horror or something extensible 3rd party devs can hook into? Same question goes for voice chat.
Originally by: Steve Thomas
1)Will it be IE8 compatable
2) when will your main websight be IE 8 compatable? Im still haveing to defualt to Compatibility view
Perhaps if you tried using a browser that was compatible with the internet you'd be better off? Firefox and Opera have been around for a while, and there's now Safari and Chrome to try too.
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Mioelnir
Minmatar
Meltd0wn
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
I am really hoping you'll fix the in-game browser. Not "improve" or "work on"... fix.
I hope they integrate Opera. 
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Nidhiesk
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Posted - 2009.07.22 11:25:00 -
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Seems like people dont like the idea of a "facebook" site about eve.. I have to say the same thing, im disappointed. Just thinking about facebook makes me want to puke.
On the other hand, upgrading the mail and all that is communication (eve mail, mailing list, in game browse, etc...) is very welcomed to me. I for one sinserely hope that I can stay in touch with my corp members when Im not in the game...still trying to recruit and all.
But I really hope that this doesn't take more than 30% of their time so they work less on the current issues in eve. Cause I want my WiS and my manufacturing named items..>NOW.
P.S: walking in station is optional, they showed it on one of their video's, you click on an icon once your fully docked. you dont have to click on it if you dont want to. But if theres ISK to be made...Im there for sure.
p.s.s: for the dev team: didn't you agree some time ago that smaller updates is better than one big huge update ? well, return to it please cause this is not working very well. <-- (cloaking bug...lag in jita..blah blah)
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Captain Politics
JotunHeim Hird
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP CaedmonFurther Features
COSMOS will be an integrated part of the game, so we feel that when you change your market orders, contracts, skills or corp/alliance membership in COSMOS you are playing EVE just as much as if you were logged into the client.
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Don't even go there. I see even more widespread botting of the market....
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Mr Spot
I Blame Chum
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Spot on 22/07/2009 13:40:29
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
Will we have mail-list functionality in an early release?
The mail system we are designing will be more in line with the mail clients we all use out of game. We want to reproduce as much of their functions and flexibility as is useful in-game. The old in-game mail has served us well, but the world has moved on and itÆs time for an update. There will be more details on the new mail system in an upcoming devblog.
Please consider using an IMAP/SMTP set up, as others have suggested. It doesn't need to send/receive mail from other servers, but using pre-existing protocols would allow everyone to use these more powerful email clients that already exist. Let's face it, you guys are known for making a good internet spaceship game, not a good e(ve)mail reader. BYO standard mail client also means all platforms get native support without any extra effort required for porting if CCP decides to provide its own desktop evemail client. And if you decide to go down the custom-API-only route, it just means everyone who cares will end up running evemail clients alongside their regular email clients anyway.
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
Chat Client
Out of game text and voice chat are both on the roadmap for later releases of COSMOS, i.e. after Winter 2009.
Another request to reuse an open standard, this time XMPP. Again, it doesn't need to be federated with the public XMPP network, you don't risk leaving users on any platform behind, and we don't end up having to run another application that duplicates functionality we already have built into our desktops.
Having a chat system attached to EVE with as little barrier to entry as adding another account to the chat client you are already using could also save a lot of hassle exchanging out-of-game IM details and finding out they use a network you don't have an account on. Everyone would just have addresses like "[email protected]" as their IM address. You could also use the shared roster support to automatically provide everyone with a contact list of everyone in their corp.
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
iPhone Apps
There are currently no firm plans to release a CCP-made iPhone App. This is in no way connected to iPhone envy induced by AppleÆs decision not to launch the Jesus-phone here in Iceland. There are some player-made apps out there though.
If you decide to use IMAP/SMTP for mail and XMPP for chat, then the iPhone (and lots of other phones) will already support your shiny new communication toys out of the box.
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
In-Game Browser
We do have plans to upgrade the in-game browser for the Winter 2009 release. Indeed, a lot of what we want to do with COSMOS depends on it. One of the other Scrum teams is working on it and there should be a devblog coming soon with more details.
Have you looked into using WebKit? It's built for embedding into other programs, and it's available under a BSD-style license. Compared to the current IGB, it's standards compliant, it can render real websites people actually use, it's not horribly slow, etc...
OpenID support
One further suggestion, not related to any of the other points above, is to make your new COSMOS thingy act as an OpenID provider. This will provide an alternative to the IGB's trusted headers that can actually be used to authenticate users. It could also mean that we would no longer need a giant stack of usernames and passwords for each of the EVE-related websites on the net, and sites can know that the guy registering as "Character Name" is really who they say they are.
Since OpenID authentication would mean players only ever send their password to CCP's servers, it can help avoid the security risk of players using their EVE password on a site that gets compromised, or is run by a dishonest admin.
And hey, logging onto your corp's forums by clicking a "Log in with COSMOS" button would be pretty awesome.
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Epofhis
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:59:00 -
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Forum/Website fix: Good.
Evemail fix and out of game manipulation of eve related information: Good.
Spacebook? Seriously? I hope you're ****ing kidding me. For those of us who aren't social networking wh*res this feature had better be able to be disabled. It is unwarranted, unneeded, and unwanted, at least in my opinion. Please re-think it.
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Warya
Snake Eyes Inc
Exxxotic
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:04:00 -
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Really good news that CCP is thinking of giving us access to in game chat and mail from a web client. I think it would improve on many of things with regards to the game.
Also was watching this video on Google website about Google Wave, I think something like this would be cool for the game also.
Like you said the current mail system is old why replace it with another system that is just a small improvement. Just go to the next generation and use something like Google wave.
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:23:00 -
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one of the many things i like in eve is the fact that it is like a real-world system and all with charts and such. But what annoys me is that fact that you have to actuallly boot the game to manage your stuff, this project would solve that issue... i mean, i could even be looking on the market when i'm in a break, at work!
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Nyu Shin
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:54:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Warya
Really good news that CCP is thinking of giving us access to in game chat and mail from a web client. I think it would improve on many of things with regards to the game.
Also was watching this video on Google website about Google Wave, I think something like this would be cool for the game also.
Like you said the current mail system is old why replace it with another system that is just a small improvement. Just go to the next generation and use something like Google wave.
Indeed very good news. Google Wave, plugin for messenger software or whatsever gogogo !
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:31:00 -
[95]
IE8 is the default brouser for Win 7. IE9 for Win 7 Is I think in beta later this year. yet acording to the access information I have its defualting to IE6 which according to microsoft will be decertified as a "Secure access portal" later this year(meaning that if you have to run in IE6 you will not be seeing the little padlock on order webpages)
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:46:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Epofhis
Spacebook? Seriously? I hope you're ****ing kidding me. For those of us who aren't social networking wh*res this feature had better be able to be disabled. It is unwarranted, unneeded, and unwanted, at least in my opinion. Please re-think it.
Speak for your self, Mr. I-Fly-A-Noobship-Cause-It's-Elite.
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Riffix
The Graduates
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:55:00 -
[97]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
Edited by: CCP Caedmon on 21/07/2009 22:12:52
In-Game Browser
We do have plans to upgrade the in-game browser for the Winter 2009 release. Indeed, a lot of what we want to do with COSMOS depends on it. One of the other Scrum teams is working on it and there should be a devblog coming soon with more details.
 /me faints.
Ok, I'm back. This is great to hear but I am going to simply cross my fingers until I see concrete details or get to play with it myself.
As for the name, I agree with others that is A)Confusing and B) Probably not as in-character as it should be. GAL-NET makes sense but I don't know if that is good enough to encompass all the people of EVE including in the other empires. If it wouldn't cause even more confusion I would suggest NEOCOM... It doesn't matter if Oveur really likes the name, it just matters how much beer you are prepared to offer when you suggest your new name
The funny thing about reading this for me is that I am most excited about the in-game changes that will be made as a result of this out of game attention.
However, this is all something that has long been needed. Right now EVE kinda favors corps and alliances that have access to web hosting and people who have web tech knowledge because organization is key and things like forums and chat are not something all players have access to. This is even more tricky because it puts the burden of security and such on these volunteer corp/alliance people. Additionally, things like corp mail lick donkey because trying to follow a series of messages in order is like a guessing game.
So this new initiative is good, very good.
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Techkraft
Amarr
Chickens with an Attitude
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:29:00 -
[98]
Rename the ingame Cosmos to something else and give the players that run them in the past something back for it >
- Cosmos items buy/sell on the marketplace.
- Make the modules at least as good as there faction counterparts.
We actually earned it, stop ignoring us.
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Techkraft
Amarr
Chickens with an Attitude
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.07.23 08:33:00 -
[99]
for the naming competition:
Subspace
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Steven Dark
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Posted - 2009.07.23 09:46:00 -
[100]
I am very afraid about COSMOS, because i'm developping a portal wich seems to be analog to COSMOS for the last year. I hope my work was not dispensable.
Best Regards,
Steven
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Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2009.07.23 11:14:00 -
[101]
I guess by choosing this name, it's official the other COSMOS thing is dead as a doornail ?
> we will be releasing features bit by bit
Yeah we have seen how well that has worked so far .
Anyway, a new mail system would be very nice. Don't really care for the other bits tbh.
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AeonOfTime
Minmatar
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.07.23 12:11:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Ulair Memmet
Sounds great
But why do you call it COSMOS? We already have a feature called like that. It's a bit confusing
Same here... I thought they would work on additional COSMOS mission content, not a new community site. Up until now, COSMOS has always been used as a term for the ingame mission content, this is pretty awkward.
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Verin Saren
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:23:00 -
[103]
I hope the cosmos site will be made with a mobile version. |
Zenst
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.07.23 13:56:00 -
[104]
seriously this is utterly ghey. If people wanted facebook then **** me they'd do that ghey ****.
Howe about doing a proper bug/tracking system or perish the thought fixing the long standing bugs ingame already.
Or actualy delivering on some promises instead of acting like some deranged bunch of ADHD kids who change direction more often than a spastic in a cross-wind.
Seriously, name dropping silly little principles when you clearly cant follow the first ****en line is like the apitomy of ineptness. "Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer" what part of clue did you fail to grasp :(.
Either way another undeeded feature and chance for ccp to **** things up.
Seriously what next - speed dating. muppets
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:43:00 -
[105]
I think people worried about it being facebook need to think logically for a moment. It's not supposed to BE facebook, it's supposed to be eve-out-of-client. Sure great if you can schedule an op you can all see in your local time and get alerts for, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to be used for the things that make facebook ****. No ****ty quizzes etc etc.
The lack of ability to export mail is why my ingame inbox is full of crap I don't want to delete, but makes it harder to find new messages etc. The ability to see things like your eve mail out of game is long overdue, being able to send as well would be great, but no biggie. Things like POS trackers and skill trackers, industry job trackers, wallet order trackers etc, for basic info, really should be available in a web client. People shouldn't have to install third party apps for 'the basics' (obviously there will still be reasons to use those apps, for planning etc). |
44000
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Posted - 2009.07.23 14:44:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Serenity Steele
Something else to look forward to at Fanfest this year. The screen mock-ups last year looked good. Please don't forget to include Alliance level functionality - I can imagine a lot of empty corp calendars with nothing going down.
This is so important I cannot emphasise it enough! Although i'm sure you guys are already planning this in.
I am very much looking forward to the calander feature of this interface. It will make organising aliance op's a lot less hastle as it will alow the information to permiate through the aliance quickly and easily. Allowing it to be looked up, referenced, and prevent multiple ops due to poor comunication (sometimes cant be helped)
keep working on it!
ps. I would also like to have a blog or two re WiS. i'm very much looking forward to that. I dont mind waiting for you to get it right, but i'd love to know how its going. |
Greg Vaganza
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Posted - 2009.07.23 18:43:00 -
[107]
Quote:
COSMOS and the API?
We are already thinking how best to get COSMOS features into the API. We want to give you guys the tools to continue to do all the cool stuff you do with EVE data. ... but it makes sense to get as much as possible into the API as soon as possible. Otherwise, as CCP Explorer says, ôlife will find a wayö and you guys will get the data you want by other means.
First of all I hope that the COSMOS functionalities will find a way into the API as they are released, not only because I wanna use them in apps, also because I think it's fair to the people who have invested hundreds or thousands of hours into their applications. Elsewise I guess there will be a feeling like saying "we are CCP and we make the cool stuff".
Quote:
Further Features
COSMOS will be an integrated part of the game, so we feel that when you change your market orders, contracts, skills or corp/alliance membership in COSMOS you are playing EVE...
The upcoming features you describe are on the one hand welcome, but can also have negative influences in the game. I'm not thinking of changing skills or joining/leaving corps from outside, that's useful - when you are not at your gaming machine (holidays, office...). It's market orders and contracts I'm thinking of. To make them accessible (create, change, delete) from the outside will partially transfer the market control to the people with the fastest and best coordinated software - like at real life stock exchanges. Even if this might not be accesible through the API. To parse and interprete websites even secured with https, logins and captchas is more or less no rocket science in nowadays. Me and I guess a lot of other developers wouldn't break the rules in the user-terms, but some will. I don't wanna blame it, if it all finds it way into the API, I'm awaiting it impatiently - I just want show things which might also have negative consequences. |
Trabber Shir
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:03:00 -
[108]
[rant]
Originally by: Mr Spot
Edited by: Mr Spot on 22/07/2009 13:40:29
...Please consider using an IMAP/SMTP set up, as others have suggested...
...Another request to reuse an open standard, this time XMPP...
...Have you looked into using WebKit?...
...make your new COSMOS thingy act as an OpenID provider...
Too bad a dev blog wasn't posted before significant development resources had been spent. If Mr Spot had been given the opportunity to make this post early in the process, the customers' desires might have been considered. As it is, that very well though out and defended post was most likely a waste of time because evidence would suggest a team has already been working most of a year designing and implementing these systems. The odds of CCP switching to a new set of technologies in order to satisfy customer needs at this point is quite low.
Honestly, CCP repeatedly claiming they have embraced agile development makes me sick. The fundamental core of agile development methodology is that all stakeholders have input from the very beginning. Short iterations exist so that deliverables can change to reflect new knowledge of the needs and desires of various stakeholders. That can not be done when significant stakeholders (in this case the customer) is purposely kept completely out of the loop until the developer is too invested to change.
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As for the name, since this is apparently going to include a revamp of the forums, I would definitely support Gal-Net (short for Galaxy Network) as that is what the lore (news etc.) has been calling the forums and official CCP announcements for quite some time. |
Ahro Thariori
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:57:00 -
[109]
please, please, please let this be XMPP, IMAP based. Dont need another subpar non-core feature (e.g. evemail as of today, the ingame browser, etc). |
45thtiger 0109
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:56:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Theodore Kaczynski
Originally by: riverini
WALK IN STATION???? WHEN!!!!? CCP STOP IGNORING UR LOYAL USER BASE, IF WE WERE PROMISED SOMETHING, WE WANT AT LEAST SOME ANSWERS!!
How about some devblog of what u guys have been doing with WiS (if you haven't that project still shelved...), who care this COSMOS PoS, shell out something the majority of the users can actually enjoy... next expansion: better sovs mechanics, gotta be kidding me... how many of you devs get to really enjoy the new sovs mechanics...
Please pay attention to your clients...
As a loyal user, I'd like to ask you to kindly **** off. There are so many more useful things for CCP to fix or improve than implementing a worthless feature like walking in stations. A better website just happens to be one of them. If I wanted WoW, I'd play WoW. I don't; I want to fly awesome spaceships.
I agree with Theodore as a player for about 3 years i have seen alot of changes.
I agree that CCP are fixing alot of bugs that needed to be fixed before they release any new major Patch like WIS.
A project like WIS takes alot of time to develop and Implememnt so please don't rush CCP on WIS.
You have to know that this is not WOW it is eve online which is a MMORPSG and you have to be gratefully that ccp are trying to reduce lag and other things to make eve online an experance like never before in a MMO.
If you don't like EVE-ONLINE Riverini please go back to another game like WOW and leave the rest of us to enjoy the best MMO in the world.
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Aya Vandenovich
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:22:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Aya Vandenovich on 24/07/2009 16:22:20
You mentioned in the we'll be getting profile pages for our characters, but will they have any kind of blogging functionality in the initial release, as well as the usual profile features?
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.07.25 09:06:00 -
[112]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
stuff
no offence there, but in essence you want to release a spacebook and so far the only headlining feature scheduled for release is a revamp of the mail system ?
the other "feature" being the fixing of the igb....
the winter expansion is sounding more and more like a quantum rise thing where you brag about the millions of things you did (i.e. fixing the game and keeping it competitive) and releasing the orca (i.e. 1 single shiney new item)
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Resivan
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Posted - 2009.07.25 11:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: something somethingdark
the winter expansion is sounding more and more like a quantum rise thing where you brag about the millions of things you did (i.e. fixing the game and keeping it competitive) and releasing the orca (i.e. 1 single shiney new item)
You say this like it would be a bad thing.
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Erdiere
Minmatar
Erasers inc.
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.26 10:57:00 -
[114]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
Chat Client
Out of game text and voice chat are both on the roadmap for later releases of COSMOS, i.e. after Winter 2009.
Does that mean that you are considering lifting the eve-voice out from the client so that it can be run as a separate program? (the fact that the voice comms would crash along with the game has been one of the popular reasons given against using the eve-voice instead of TS or Ventrilo)
All in all, the ideas sound very interesting, I'll be looking forward the winter expansion.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.07.26 11:18:00 -
[115]
New Eden Comunications
NEcom, NEDCOM, NECOM, necoms, etc. Pick your choice, but please don't call it cosmos, it makes no sense at all.
EVE Knowledge
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.07.28 08:45:00 -
[116]
Idea is okay.
Name is bad.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.07.29 22:20:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Typhado3 on 29/07/2009 22:23:22
\o/ much love ccp when I first heard about this I figured I thought it was great. So we have to wait till winter hmmm, did u guys know it's winter down here in Australia right now?
I hear this thing is going to be tied in with some other social networks like facebook etc.... u planning a blog on this soon or any sneak peeks your willing to give.
also will this have some sort of chat thing (preferably linked to in game channels) so ppl can chat with players who are say at work away from home or just doing something else other than being logged into eve right now.
also interesting to see a lot of ppl complaining about WIS. just gotta be patient they'll tell u when it's coming and when it's ready.
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Sathynos
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:24:00 -
[118]
Cosmos as a name is crap.
I suggest: Hypernet - sounds like a future internet, easy to pronounce during conversations, easy to remember, fits the sci-fi environment.
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"Say yes to pron on Concord billboards" campaing.
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Aethrwolf
Caldari
Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.07.31 04:49:00 -
[119]
I like the Hypernet name idea
also for your consideration:(avoiding the use of "book" due to TM/copyright infringement stuff)
StarNet
SpaceNet
NeoComms
PodNet
WarpNet
CloneCom
PodLife
E-Space
StarScape
Could go on but mist are different iterations of what I already listed.. just interchange Life, Com, Comms, Net, and Space with the various beginning words. Just dont go overboard cause some of the results are fairly dumb.
P.S. I dont really like the idea of the social networking aspect, but since it seems we are too late to deter you, I'm trying to be helpful. 
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Gremrod
Minmatar
DEEzNUTS-DzN
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:10:00 -
[120]
InnerCom
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Mariane d'Atoch
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Posted - 2009.08.01 14:43:00 -
[121]
So what he is saying is they are nef'ing the implants and putting them in a cache?
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WheatGrass
Gallente
Silent but Friendly
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Posted - 2009.08.01 19:00:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
....yes we will be tackling new forums for you....
The CSM does not appreciate my posting in their CSM meeting agenda threads -which I now know better not to do.
So, with the new forums, please give thread originators the ability to specify who may contribute to a thread. This would have the effect of locking out all potential forum participants who are not given explicit permission to post in the CSM threads.
Will the current forum content be imported, migrated, or otherwise included in COSMOS?
Please don't use SpaceMates or Mates-In-Space as the release name for COSMOS.
Thank you.
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Chartle
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Posted - 2009.08.14 12:22:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Chartle on 14/08/2009 12:24:10
Originally by: Shadow Box
I like the idea of a social network tie-in, but had to point out one little thing from your "Agile Manifesto" that bugged me,
Simplicity--the art of maximizing the amount
of work not done--is essential. (third line from the bottom)
Uh... is it supposed to say that?
Yes that's what it's supposed to say. And it isn't CCP's manifesto. It was written by The Agile Alliance at 'The Lodge at Snowbird' ski resort in the Wasatch mountains of Utah on February 11-13, 2001.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:41:00 -
[124]
Working IGB? That's good news.
Fakebook? No, thanks.
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tatsudoshi I
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.23 16:58:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Working IGB? That's good news.
Fakebook? No, thanks.
Sorry to completely out of topic but Tonto, you have stated in this thread
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=945299&page=1#4
that you use your own app to move the window because you only want it move, not resize. I am also looking for this, are you willing to share your app?
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May we all have the courage to believe.
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Lusulpher
Blackwater Syndicate
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.02 09:14:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii
Edited by: Odhinn Vinlandii on 22/07/2009 00:57:47
Logically, this EVE social network should be called GAL-NET or Galactic Network and not COSMOS.
Could we please have some sort of Webalizer statistics type app for this? Instead of people//locations of the internet you would have people/systems/regions/items/markets in EVE.
ALSO! Please make an official integrated wikified Killboard.
edit;
An eve 'real world' player geography map would be great for face-to-face meetups and beat-ups.
If you make an i-phone app, could you add some sort of Goon proximity alert? Also, have a proximity alert for anyone in your kill rights list.
OMG! This man is The Messiah!!!
He hath finally come to the forums and spewed excellent ideas upon the masses.
Seriously. I clapped.
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Komaito
AFK
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Posted - 2009.09.04 04:26:00 -
[127]
Confirming COSMOS is a stupid name for this thing. (I have experience with Minmatar and Gallente COSMOS.)
I also find it unnecessary, but I guess thats a matter of taste.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.09.17 01:32:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Komaito
Confirming COSMOS is a stupid name for this thing. (I have experience with Minmatar and Gallente COSMOS.)
I also find it unnecessary, but I guess thats a matter of taste.
The name is certainly a matter of taste. I happen to think it fits this new social network system much better than the in-space-agents.
However, I don't know how the need for new forums and an adequate eve-mail client could be under any doubt (or be a matter of taste). You must be new to this place.
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Benjamin Shepherd
Caldari
Shepherd Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:18:00 -
[129]
I don't mean to bring this up again since it's been half a month since the last post, but about the name.
Yes, GAL-NET is a better name to work with than COSMOS.
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Lan Staz
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Posted - 2009.11.14 16:00:00 -
[130]
Could I request the ability to "skin" the site in colours other than Eve's default white on black? I'd like to be able to use it at work without being too obvious
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Raketefrau
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.05 18:50:00 -
[131]
So, what's going on with COSMOS?
Eh? Updates, plans, anything other than a 3 month old devblog?
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.01.09 15:34:00 -
[132]
Originally by: CCP Caedmon
You will, no doubt, have many questions about this huge new part of the EVE community. This will not be the last blog you will see about COSMOS. We will be giving you information every couple of weeks with more details.
Working as intended?
Patri
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Ti'anla
Minmatar
NOVA Innovations Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.09 18:46:00 -
[133]
GAL-NET's okay, but frankly, I rather liked COSMOS as a name for my part o.O
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Theodosis
Knights of the Silver Dawn
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.09 23:14:00 -
[134]
Waste of fracking time. we don't need a myeveface.com . give us walking on stations, give us more T3 content, give us more Sov toys, make systems more expandable so 0.0 systems can easily hold up to 300 people at a time for the more frequent mid size fleet engagements and let us put more than 1 outpost in each system. BUILD ON WHAT YOU HAVE! not go off into the stratosphere on stuff we don't care about. the 2 way friend thing will make it difficult to track enemies (keep your friends close but enemies closer), and we won't be able to track logoffski traps. the 2 way friend thing is only necessary for mutually shared things such as fleet stuff. otherwise leave it out and let us be! expand on what is already in game or has been promised (walking on stations, Supercarriers, planet interaction). |
Ti'anla
Minmatar
NOVA Innovations Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.11 09:53:00 -
[135]
'Never heard the expression "Too many cooks spoil the broth", Theo?
CCP has enough development people and teams now that it'd be inefficient to assign them all to a single project. Three at once is probably the bare minimum.
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Burn Cycle
Cosmic Odyssey
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.01.12 16:35:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Raketefrau
So, what's going on with COSMOS?
Eh? Updates, plans, anything other than a 3 month old devblog?
echo
Yes indeed, what is going on? Wasn't this supposed to be released with Dominion - COSMOS Dev Blog
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