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Ashley Judd
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:02:00 -
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Please read my post before commenting on it. I said Eve and the Tournament are separate entities. You are, however, correct in assuming Hydra and Outbreak are as well. |
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
56
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:38:00 -
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LooknSee wrote:
Seriously? Unless you're a complete noob you know better (not 'should know better', but definitively 'know better') than to put any faith into a GM response.
This is a whole other problem boiling down to CCP's incompetence, what's irritating is that they are sweeping that little inconvenience under the rug and doing whatever the hell they want irrespective of fact.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
48
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Posted - 2012.05.25 05:51:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:I am starting this thread in hopes that maybe it will allow a middle ground to be reached by these teams and CCP. I am inviting every team to share there thoughts and vote about this subject.
I hope that if there is enough support that we will see CCP bend the rules like they did for me and my team that was disbanded a few years ago after the deadline. I believe it worked out for the best and gave the viewers a good show.
My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.
There should be a defending champion at least to defend their title and I would hate to see some the best minds not get into the tourney for a technicality.
I ask kindly to please allow them to reform like you did VOLTRON a few years ago.
Thank you for time.
Wild
Thanks. |
Vilan Turrik
Waffle Strategic Services
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:06:00 -
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There is no PL B-team bro.
We are completely separate from PL, and they don't want us in their team.
Banning Hydra and Outbreak was common sense, banning waffles was overkill (but understandable from a consistency standpoint). |
CoReSol
Adversity.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:12:00 -
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So basically....
1.) Change rules after multiple e-mails and petitions.
2.) Wait until sign-ups are complete to check petitions.
3.) THEN tell them they are breaking the rules that they had already asked about multiple times before the sign-ups and instantly ban them from competing?
Just trying to clarify here. Seems to me like this should be something forgivable (at least up for discussion between the alliances in question and CCP) since you apparently never gave them ANY response saying they were in the wrong before removing them from the tourney completely.
Can't speak for the other alliances, but I have seen Hydra pvp regularly, as well as in the previous tournaments. One of the best dedicated pvp alliances I have seen in my time playing. Removing them from the competition without warning is just ridiculous.
Hydra, keep up the great pvp.
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:37:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Duncan Tanner wrote:However it seems that they were very much aware of exactly what we planned to do since we told them and they acknowledged receiving it above but for some reason they needed to wait after Hydra and 0utbreak signed up with separate teams in order to "take action".
If they want each group to stop practicing together completely, then fine, just say so. If they want to do the same thing with us as they did with RvB and have us merge into a single team, then fine, just say so. However, saying nothing to either group when they both reached out to you and then banning them both just doesn't seem right. Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence. Basically you made the mistake of talking to GMs when you shoulda been talking to Loxy or Sreegs (I think PL were talking to Loxy about the whole sniggwaffe not being a b-team thing?) Anyways I dunno why anyone is surprised by your two teams getting banned, the rule was created specifically for you in the first place ;P We sent the mail to very same e-mail Loxy told us to send inquiries to after Raivi asked him. We in fact sent multiple mails directly to the CCP tournament team. This is all very clear in the quote I included. He acknowledged that he should have replied to us but was waiting for some reason.
Then you should probably have waited for that reply before doing anything that might result in a ban.
I too think it's a worse tournament without you, but you come off as deliberately wanting to stretch the intent of a rule created to prevent that exact behaviour. Much like going spelunking in Jove space that creates a headache for the organisers who, in essence being volunteers, are going to pick the easy solution. |
Suitonia
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.05.25 06:59:00 -
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Lucas Quaan wrote:Duncan Tanner wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Duncan Tanner wrote:However it seems that they were very much aware of exactly what we planned to do since we told them and they acknowledged receiving it above but for some reason they needed to wait after Hydra and 0utbreak signed up with separate teams in order to "take action".
If they want each group to stop practicing together completely, then fine, just say so. If they want to do the same thing with us as they did with RvB and have us merge into a single team, then fine, just say so. However, saying nothing to either group when they both reached out to you and then banning them both just doesn't seem right. Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence. Basically you made the mistake of talking to GMs when you shoulda been talking to Loxy or Sreegs (I think PL were talking to Loxy about the whole sniggwaffe not being a b-team thing?) Anyways I dunno why anyone is surprised by your two teams getting banned, the rule was created specifically for you in the first place ;P We sent the mail to very same e-mail Loxy told us to send inquiries to after Raivi asked him. We in fact sent multiple mails directly to the CCP tournament team. This is all very clear in the quote I included. He acknowledged that he should have replied to us but was waiting for some reason. Then you should probably have waited for that reply before doing anything that might result in a ban. I too think it's a worse tournament without you, but you come off as deliberately wanting to stretch the intent of a rule created to prevent that exact behaviour. Much like going spelunking in Jove space that creates a headache for the organisers who, in essence being volunteers, are going to pick the easy solution.
You're trolling for an Eagle with ECM bonuses m8
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
22
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:15:00 -
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Suitonia wrote:You're trolling for an Eagle with ECM bonuses m8
Do not want.
But I am more pointing out the fact that asking "hey, can we do this?" and then start doing it anyway before receiving an answer is asking for trouble. If you suspect that what you are about to do is disallowed, and in this case there were pretty consistent hints that it would be, you should hold off doing so until it is cleared. Referring to petitions answered by any other than tournament staff does not count either. The "GM XXX said it was ok"-defence has been shown ineffective plenty in the past. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
294
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:45:00 -
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PL and PL B aren't the same, and thus can't and wont share a team... it would be like saying, eve uni and Hydra should mix a team together.... :) I like waffles |
Spark's
Terra Hawks
The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:15:00 -
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i think this Hydra and Outbreak situation has been a strong response by CCP to discourage these actions from happening in the future. You have been made an example of as a warning to other teams. If you feel angry at this response, don't watch the tournaments, if you feel really aggrieved don't take part in any future tournaments as a statement. Hydra Reloaded have had a long time of pvp excellence and they do not need the Alliance Tournament to prove it, and no offense, trying to fight this on the forums wont change anything. Your team leaders messed up by relying on the words of a GM and not a member of CCP, Remember it's CCP providing this tournament, they make the rules. just my lowly opinion |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.05.25 09:51:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:Wow there is a lot of blatant fear in here. Am I the only one that wants to actually fight the best out there...... There is way too much people just wanting to win and not enough wanting a challenge!
I too would like to face the best and brightest and this would include hydra/outbreak or even them combined into some form of hydrabreak ;)
Mangala is not FC, yet another randomly updated EVE blog.
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Hey You
Spricer
Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:04:00 -
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This will without any doubt reduce quality of PVP and game play in the tournament. I for one would want the chance to prove my team vs Hydra or Outbreak on field. Chance to beat top teams is what makes this tournament thrilling. Not to mention trolling Intigo and betting with Garmon before matches :P
Could Hydra / Outbreak handle this situation on a way to avoid what happened? Yes. They could and they should have.
Was this fitting punishment? No it wasn't. This had to be handled better by CCP.
But i do firmly believe that they should be able to reform one Team and play or that you can find some other model. Same like you helped our Voltron team 2 years ago when we got disbanded after sign ups.
This is official Raiden. point of view as DHB Wildcat requested.
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Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.05.25 10:17:00 -
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This is hilarious. A summary:
Hydra and Outbreak ruin alliance tournament IX through effectively being the same team through crazy collaboration.
A new rule is introduced specifically to prevent this.
Hydra and Outbreak do exactly the same **** again.
The new rule is obviously being broken. By all sensible measures Hydra and Outbreak are one team, sharing strategies, logistics and fittings (which together make up 90% of preparation for the tournament).
Hydra and Outbreak write some vague-sounding petitions ("practice together" - to most people this means practice fighting against each other under mock-tournament conditions, not merging into a single corporation and practicing with mixed teams and shared doctrines) and then assume this means they can carry on breaking the rules. Sound familiar? That's because this is exactly the same approach they take to exploits on TQ! (and of course its bullshit.).
Hydra and Outbreak get punished for deliberately breaking the rule created specifically aimed at them.
Everyone acts surprised.
PS: The PL situation is different - they weren't "effectively the same team" but they were sufficiently close to warrant disqualifying Snigwaffe. Theres no suggestion they were working together with the PL team on tournament related matters.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
272
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:00:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:
My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.
I think they should have asked for that before, instead of trying to get both teams in.
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Nevigrofnu Mrots
11
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:10:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:I am starting this thread in hopes that maybe it will allow a middle ground to be reached by these teams and CCP. I am inviting every team to share there thoughts and vote about this subject.
I hope that if there is enough support that we will see CCP bend the rules like they did for me and my team that was disbanded a few years ago after the deadline. I believe it worked out for the best and gave the viewers a good show.
My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.
There should be a defending champion at least to defend their title and I would hate to see some the best minds not get into the tourney for a technicality.
I ask kindly to please allow them to reform like you did VOLTRON a few years ago.
Thank you for time.
Wild
By now and after The mittanni ban you all should known that after CCP writes a sentence down, there is no way back.
Deal with with, stop crying and next year make a new alliance get your pilots in and run as one team.
CCP was looking at you when it made the rule A B Teams. They were watching every move you made in the game and first thing you both do, repeat last year joke and merge to train together! What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy and not even talk with the other team and pray CCP doesn't look at you in a funny way.
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Rhatar Khurin
United Earth Directorate
12
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:14:00 -
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After last years debacle i don't think either team should be allowed in ATX at all.
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
14
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:26:00 -
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Quote:What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy
we just dont have enough people to practice separately.
anyways we would have to pick some another team to practice with and i bet that ccp would say "what the ****? now you made even more backup teams? C and D? KICK BAN GTFO IDK etc."
just because their ass was on fire for entire year and they could not think clearly because of PAIN.
now it exploded at last.
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Rhatar Khurin
United Earth Directorate
12
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:32:00 -
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xo3e wrote:Quote:What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy we just dont have enough people to practice separately. anyways we would have to pick some another team to practice with and i bet that ccp would say "what the ****? now you made even more backup teams? C and D? KICK BAN GTFO IDK etc." just because their ass was on fire for entire year and they could not think clearly because of PAIN. now it exploded at last.
You surely have 10 other peeps to fight against? |
xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
14
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Posted - 2012.05.25 11:43:00 -
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Quote:You surely have 10 other peeps to fight against?
12 actually
and i think it should be dedicated hardcore players with perfect skills (character and piloting both), and enough free time in rl, and etc.
and you need 24 (at least 24) of these to be in your alliance )). its just unreal. we dont have them.
and practicing against some 12 scrublords is just waste of time.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
49
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:13:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:DHB WildCat wrote:
My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.
I think they should have asked for that before, instead of trying to get both teams in.
Did you notice the bit where Hydra and OB indeed tried to ask about these things before? (See Garmon's post in the locked thread) |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
294
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:43:00 -
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I think it's fine you guy's practiced together... But you should only be allowed to try to get into the ATX with 1 team, since you are training together like you were, and because of last year... But I strongly believe at least one of you should be allowed to join this year... even merge a team together if you wish
as a secondary rule, I would think it would be fine if CCP punished any future offenders who left us with a similar battle as last year by simply giving the first price to the team that was beat right before the final match and deny it for the winner... unless they provide us with a EPIC BATTLE! |
Sarah xCalibre
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
11
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:33:00 -
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Give Hydra and Outbreak one spot together, as the first match they go up against eachother to compete for one spot and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.
Tbh though i want to see them both in there, two of the best damn pvp teams Ive seen in EVE. The Tournament will be a joke now.
Director of FLA5HY RED
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
24
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:38:00 -
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Quote:and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.
pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublords
what, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?
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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
51
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:41:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:I think it's fine you guy's practiced together... But you should only be allowed to try to get into the ATX with 1 team, since you are training together like you were, and because of last year... But I strongly believe at least one of you should be allowed to join this year... even merge a team together if you wish
as a secondary rule, I would think it would be fine if CCP punished any future offenders who left us with a similar battle as last year by simply giving the first price to the team that was beat right before the final match and deny it for the winner... unless they provide us with a EPIC BATTLE!
Sarah xCalibre wrote:Give Hydra and Outbreak one spot together, as the first match they go up against eachother to compete for one spot and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.
Tbh though i want to see them both in there, two of the best damn pvp teams Ive seen in EVE. The Tournament will be a joke now.
I think at this point we would be fine with any suggestions along these lines, tbh (Tho I cannot talk officially) |
Sarah xCalibre
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
11
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:47:00 -
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xo3e wrote:Quote:and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun. pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublordswhat, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?
Umm no.
I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =)
Director of FLA5HY RED
- Sarah xCalibre |
xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
24
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:53:00 -
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Sarah xCalibre wrote:xo3e wrote:Quote:and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun. pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublordswhat, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale? Umm no. I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =)
CCP hands are tied. they cant ban PL for it will dramatically reduce already broken interest to AT
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Sarah xCalibre
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
14
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Posted - 2012.05.25 14:29:00 -
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xo3e wrote:Sarah xCalibre wrote:xo3e wrote:Quote:and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun. pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublordswhat, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale? Umm no. I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =) CCP's hands are tied. they cant ban PL for it will dramatically reduce already broken interest to AT
Damn and I thought CCP was known for being snakes and biting their own butt.
Director of FLA5HY RED
- Sarah xCalibre |
DeadDuck
Macabre Votum
Against ALL Authorities
8
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Posted - 2012.05.25 14:31:00 -
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TBH Hydra and Outbreak were asking for it. Both alliances AND the 2 Team captains should have been banned from future tournments after last year final.
More, if you see alliances favouring other alliances to get them on following stages, they, and their Team Captains should be banned also.
This is of course if CCP wants to make the Tournment one of the highest moments in EVE during each year. If you aren't well just let people keep fixing matches one after the other, playing games in fixed bets and so on , so on, so on.
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Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
60
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:13:00 -
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DeadDuck wrote:TBH Hydra and Outbreak were asking for it. Both alliances AND the 2 Team captains should have been banned from future tournments after last year final.
More, if you see alliances favouring other alliances to get them on following stages, they, and their Team Captains should be banned also.
This is of course if CCP wants to make the Tournment one of the highest moments in EVE during each year. If you aren't well just let people keep fixing matches one after the other, playing games in fixed bets and so on , so on, so on.
This is amusing only because mass bannings of competent teams is the only way your terrible alliance would ever get a whiff of the finals.
It's CCP's double standards, bad damage control, and obvious intent to **** us over that has people up in arms. I think only if CCP can come up with a perfectly valid reason as to why the collaborated with RvB but completely ignored Hydra and Outbreak correspondence will they regain any of the face they have already lost. Unfortunately some of that face in unsalvageable.
Also;
'We have been watching Hydra/Outbreak and believe they are operating under the same standards as last year'
'Oh but we didn't have time or didn't recieve any emails from them about anything. And that GM was wrong. No wait he was right, but what he was talking about wasn't what Hydra and Outbreak were doing they are doing something else so we can still ban them now I'm locking this thread go away'
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Zarathushtra
0utbreak
Outbreak.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 15:14:00 -
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We broke no rules last year nor this year.
Also I really dont understand how would you ever come to think of us as a B-Team. Not only we have been around for more than 6 years, we have done pretty well for ourselves atleast according to some rankings. I guess we do way less forum posting than some (until recently). We have allways been very small hence the last years joint effort with Hydra. Its been explained in many threads why we let them win. Horrid decision and certainly an uncalled insult against many, but not against any rule at the time. And we are still very sorry but cant take that back.
This year we asked for clarification for the rules. We got one, acted on it and got banned due formality after CCP interpreted their own rules just because they can. We were very open about all of our intentions. They could have banned us according to the new rules had we done something wrong come tournament, right? Yet they choose to interpret they own rule so they can ban us now, just before the first auction and 48 hours before the last so no petition will get a response in time.
Im certainly not disputing the new set of rules. But we have allways acted according to rules available at a time.
We broke no rules last year nor this year. But lock all threads (Im sure this will go away) and let PL play.
Quote:Alliance tournament x rules:
GÇ£We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.GÇ¥
Teams Removed From Competition:
GÇ£YOUR VOTES DONGÇÖT COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.GÇ¥
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