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Capt Red 0utbreak Outbreak. 1	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:20:00 - [61] - Quote Quote: We are watching teams that enter the tournament closely and in the spirit of the b and c team rule if we deem you as essentially the same "team" with two entries you will be removed from the Tournament. Is this the A team being removed? or Is this the B team? or Is this the A+B team or is it simply down to the magic 8 ball?
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 49	Posted - 2012.05.25 15:39:00 - [62] - Quote FREE HYDRA AND OB! In all seriousness, i'm not sure what actually went on here if HYDRA and OB did seriously try and do what they did last year then this is just desserts. But if u guys genuinely didnt try and multiteam the tourny then i hope you guys get in to the tourny and give us a good fight :) -Buhhd
ElextriX Snuff Box 5	Posted - 2012.05.25 16:31:00 - [63] - Quote Let them compete as one team. The tourney should have a defending champion, and the quality of the tournament will be reduced by not including hydra/0utbreak. Especially after a member of CCP's staff has caused so much confusion by involving him/herself when it appears they didn't have the authority to do so. By letting them compete as one team theres no risk of an A/B team and the tournament will be a much better event. Banning both just appears as being bitter at what happened last year. To be the best you have to beat the best.... The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs. I know it's difficult CCP but some common sense would be nice.
Hecater Scullthrone 5	Posted - 2012.05.25 16:33:00 - [64] - Quote Quote: . The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs. u saying this like CCP cares about how and who will be able to call
Donedy Snuff Box 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 16:41:00 - [65] - Quote So if I well understand, Outbreak and Hydra are removed from competion because they are suspected both to play as one entity, PL and Sniggwaffe too. BUT PL IS NOT REMOVED? wtf Kick PL or let hydra/outbreak compet with one team. That just doesnt make any sense if you let PL/waffe play but not hydra/outbreak. If rules are not applied to everyone, thats not rules, thats bullsh**.
Donedy Snuff Box 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 16:42:00 - [66] - Quote edit double
ElextriX Snuff Box 5	Posted - 2012.05.25 16:54:00 - [67] - Quote Hecater wrote: Quote: . The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs. u saying this like CCP cares about how and who will be able to call They should, the integrity of the tournament is at stake, I know I'll be far less interested in it if this year it's a CCP invitational. Considering how mad they are after last year, my guess is they do care about the tournaments integrity
Ausf Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 3	Posted - 2012.05.25 17:12:00 - [68] - Quote Shame on CCP. It seems they are happy to take players hard earned money each month but are banning two of the best small scale PVP alliances in Eve. I can understand some people feeling pi*sed and let down but the OB versus Darkside semi final was one of the most nail biting fights ever. It's quite funny that thereGÇÖs a huge support from the massive fail alliances demanding both alliances should be banned. The fact of the matter is, yes OB and Hydra are close allies, however, during day to day eve playing they are lucky if they fly together once or twice a year (check killboards). They have done nothing wrong as alliances in the past have done exactly the same and nothing has been said. If only 1 team had made the final nothing would have been said. In my opinion the bar has been lowered and I can't understand why some alliances are demanding for their removal. Surely the point is pilots want to take on and beat the best alliances in Eve and not winning because this year there is more mediocre alliances in the tournament. I for one sympathise with both teams and will not be watching this years tournament in protest. Nice one CCP.
Siduru Unexpected Accident 1	Posted - 2012.05.25 17:33:00 - [69] - Quote failing in communication with customers could not be more visible as its now with this decision. shame on you CCP.
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 52	Posted - 2012.05.25 17:45:00 - [70] - Quote Siduru wrote: failing in communication with customers could not be more visible as its now with this decision. shame on you CCP. Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material ~~for free~~ while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear.
LooknSee Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2012.05.25 17:50:00 - [71] - Quote Raimo wrote: Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material ~~for free~~ while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear. While there will always be some contrarians, I'd hazard a guess that most spectators did not consider what they saw in last year's final 'entertainment'. I'd hazard another guess and say rigged tournies aren't the sort of free marketing material CCP is looking for from its players. Oh dear.
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 52	Posted - 2012.05.25 17:57:00 - [72] - Quote LooknSee wrote: Raimo wrote: Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material ~~for free~~ while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear. While there will always be some contrarians, I'd hazard a guess that most spectators did not consider what they saw in last year's final 'entertainment'. I'd hazard another guess and say rigged tournies aren't the sort of free marketing material CCP is looking for from its players. Oh dear. I dunno, a few 100k's of youtube views on just the AT videos of said teams, "emergent gameplay" "metagaming" quite visible in CCP marketing etc. Most people I know of originally heard of EVE due to one of the many scam stories or other behind-the-scenes- shenanigans like the AT9 final ended up to be...
LooknSee Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2012.05.25 18:11:00 - [73] - Quote Raimo wrote: I dunno, a few 100k's of youtube views on just the AT videos of said teams, "emergent gameplay" "metagaming" quite visible in CCP marketing etc. Most people I know of originally heard of EVE due to one of the many scam stories or other behind-the-scenes- shenanigans like the AT9 final ended up to be... Rightly or wrongly, I'm inclined to believe there's a difference in the way people view normal eve gameplay vs something advertised as a tournament. The word itself carries the connotation of fair play and therefore the typical passerby would expect to see fair play. Of course metagaming is nothing new to the alliance tournaments (or even real life tournaments, for that matter), but generally participants have the common sense to refrain from overly advertising it. The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play, which was good for a lot of laughs by some but carried obvious consequences. Do you really think yours were the first teams in something like 7ish years of alliance tournaments to have the ability to do that? No, yours were simply the first that was, frankly, dumb enough to advertise it for all to see. Killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Rhatar Khurin United Earth Directorate 15	Posted - 2012.05.25 18:48:00 - [74] - Quote LooknSee wrote: [quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. gasps yes, i said it... worse than Goons....
Suitonia Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance 66	Posted - 2012.05.25 18:50:00 - [75] - Quote Rhatar Khurin wrote: LooknSee wrote: [quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. gasps yes, i said it... worse than Goons.... Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action.
Karl Planck Heretic Army Heretic Nation 175	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:08:00 - [76] - Quote Suitonia wrote: Rhatar Khurin wrote: LooknSee wrote: [quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. gasps yes, i said it... worse than Goons.... Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action. lol, mispost on an alt? To all everyone concerned over the fairness involving the H/O disqualification https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113351&find=unread
Raimo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 52	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:18:00 - [77] - Quote Karl Planck wrote: Suitonia wrote: Rhatar Khurin wrote: LooknSee wrote: [quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. gasps yes, i said it... worse than Goons.... Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action. lol, mispost on an alt? https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Suitonia#employmentHistory /o
TomyLobo Posthuman Society Elysian Empire 16	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:28:00 - [78] - Quote I'm dead sure that we'll get quality fights even if none of the regulars are present. Karl Planck wrote: Suitonia wrote: Rhatar Khurin wrote: LooknSee wrote: [quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. gasps yes, i said it... worse than Goons.... Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action. lol, mispost on an alt? Epic fail.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 443	Posted - 2012.05.25 19:34:00 - [79] - Quote Suitonia wrote: pubbies cultural victory anyone? eh
Sizeof Void Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2012.05.25 20:04:00 - [80] - Quote Donedy wrote: So if I well understand, Outbreak and Hydra are removed from competion because they are suspected both to play as one entity, PL and Sniggwaffe too. BUT PL IS NOT REMOVED? wtf Kick PL or let hydra/outbreak compet with one team. That just doesnt make any sense if you let PL/waffe play but not hydra/outbreak. If rules are not applied to everyone, thats not rules, thats bullsh**. You don't seem to understand. These are two separate issues, with two different sets of facts. Hydra and Outbreak were caught practicing together on Sisi, in deliberate violation of a rule specifically added this year because of their actions in AT 9. Asking a GM for "clarification" confirms that they were aware of the rule and were attempting to get around it - this is nothing new, however, and CCP has made it very clear in the past that GMs do not have the final word on the interpretation of the rules. PL and Sniggwaffe were not practicing together (at least, they weren't caught doing so). The issue in their case is overlapping leadership between the two alliances (as is the case with RvB), which provides a perception of possible collusion. However, they were not actually violating the rules. In short, Hydra and Outbreak were caught cheating, per the rules, and were disqualified. PL and Sniggwaffe (and RvB) were not cheating, but were informed that they could not field two separate teams, due to the shared leadership issue.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2012.05.25 20:09:00 - [81] - Quote Zarathushtra wrote: Also I really dont understand how would you ever come to think of us as a B-Team. If the highest you plan to compete for is second place, your a B-team by any metric.
ScoRpS 0utbreak Outbreak. 25	Posted - 2012.05.25 20:17:00 - [82] - Quote Aralyn Cormallen wrote: Zarathushtra wrote: Also I really dont understand how would you ever come to think of us as a B-Team. If the highest you plan to compete for is second place, your a B-team by any metric. Did you get that from your crystal ball? I dont remember copying you in on anything we intended to do.
Killer Gandry V I R I I Ineluctable. 509	Posted - 2012.05.25 20:21:00 - [83] - Quote CCP. Butthurt since AT9. Reveng since ATX. Fail since ....
Kalvunia IV Born-2-Kill 9	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:30:00 - [84] - Quote Just wanted to voice my support for Hydra/OB. I feel more disappointed with how CCP is handling this situation then I was with how Hydra/OB handled last years finals. If CCP wants to bring the highest quality PVP to AT10 it should be obvious to them that dialog with Hydra/OB, and yes I am suggesting that CCP should have been on the front foot and contacted Hydra/OB even before the attempts from Hydra/OB were made to CCP. The Alliance Tournament generates a lot of PR for CCP, and in a positive way. And there for the AT should be the best against the best. Every year I'm looking forward to seeing what Hydra setups Hydra brings put, will Darkside. beat them? Will PL make a comeback this year? Who will be the underdog who gets in to the semi's against all odds? I can't help but feel that I might be missing out on some part of that this year if neither Hydra nor OB is in the AT. The little contact I've had with Garmon and other people from Hydra they seam like nice helpfull people. They obviously take the AT very seriously, even put EIE on hold for it. So please CCP at least allow them to enter as one team, if not for their sake do it for the viewers.
Luis Graca 18	Posted - 2012.05.25 21:56:00 - [85] - Quote This just passed my mind (or whats left of it) If PL and hydra create a torny with 16 invited teams and broadcasted it, what torny would have more people seeing it?
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 30	Posted - 2012.05.26 02:41:00 - [86] - Quote CCP this is some major ***** bullshit. A GM says it's ok, Hydra/Outbreak go ahead and do it, and then you ban them? That's **. If the GM shouldn't have told them that, then it sounds like an issue with your crappy internal communication. Y'know, the stuff you said you were gonna fix. You people suck. What makes it even more bullshit is that after the mistake has been made you have explicitly decided not to readdress the situation. Way to compound an error. And on top of all that you let PL slide for fielding two teams. Nice "impartial judgement" there. And now you are just gonna stand the line and keep on screaming "no no no" even though you guys clearly **** up. Like you needed any more bad press. Fucktards.
Kaleesa Disconnected. Choke Point 2	Posted - 2012.05.26 03:06:00 - [87] - Quote Vladimir Norkoff wrote: CCP this is some major ***** bullshit. A GM says it's ok, Hydra/Outbreak go ahead and do it, and then you ban them? That's **. If the GM shouldn't have told them that, then it sounds like an issue with your crappy internal communication. Y'know, the stuff you said you were gonna fix. You people suck. What makes it even more bullshit is that after the mistake has been made you have explicitly decided not to readdress the situation. Way to compound an error. And on top of all that you let PL slide for fielding two teams. Nice "impartial judgement" there. And now you are just gonna stand the line and keep on screaming "no no no" even though you guys clearly **** up. Like you needed any more bad press. Fucktards. Dude... Imagine you are Hydra or Outbreak, you hear about the rule regarding B and C teams, which is obviously meant to stop what happened at last years final. What would your first thought be? I'll tell you what mine would be, it would be "gee I better make a real effort to avoid any contact with Outbreak during tournament training, I don't want things to be misinterpreted". Without any other information that little tidbit would have been enough to stop this happening.... Just a poor judgement call by Hydra/OB, like it or not they brought this on themselves. I for one don't like it because i'd like to fight Hydra in the tourney (even if we lost), but blaming CCP and ranting at them for trying to make this years tournament fair and entertaining... Shame on you.
Lyron-Baktos Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 194	Posted - 2012.05.26 03:06:00 - [88] - Quote Vladimir Norkoff wrote: CCP this is some major ***** bullshit. A GM says it's ok, Hydra/Outbreak go ahead and do it, and then you ban them? That's **. If the GM shouldn't have told them that, then it sounds like an issue with your crappy internal communication. Y'know, the stuff you said you were gonna fix. You people suck. What makes it even more bullshit is that after the mistake has been made you have explicitly decided not to readdress the situation. Way to compound an error. And on top of all that you let PL slide for fielding two teams. Nice "impartial judgement" there. And now you are just gonna stand the line and keep on screaming "no no no" even though you guys clearly **** up. Like you needed any more bad press. Fucktards. You do realize what they told the GM was not the whole truth right? On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 551	Posted - 2012.05.26 03:09:00 - [89] - Quote Haha. Cheaters get caught, tears ensue.
Karbox Delacroix Emo Rage Quit 8	Posted - 2012.05.26 03:10:00 - [90] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: Vladimir Norkoff wrote: CCP this is some major ***** bullshit. A GM says it's ok, Hydra/Outbreak go ahead and do it, and then you ban them? That's **. If the GM shouldn't have told them that, then it sounds like an issue with your crappy internal communication. Y'know, the stuff you said you were gonna fix. You people suck. What makes it even more bullshit is that after the mistake has been made you have explicitly decided not to readdress the situation. Way to compound an error. And on top of all that you let PL slide for fielding two teams. Nice "impartial judgement" there. And now you are just gonna stand the line and keep on screaming "no no no" even though you guys clearly **** up. Like you needed any more bad press. Fucktards. You do realize what they told the GM was not the whole truth right? You do realize that you have no evidence that they were planning to throw any fights.

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