Sorry we've had a few of these and I should have gotten back to you but we're going to investigate these issues after sign ups and then take action.

However it seems that they were very much aware of exactly what we planned to do since we told them and they acknowledged receiving it above but for some reason they needed to wait after Hydra and 0utbreak signed up with separate teams in order to "take action".

If they want each group to stop practicing together completely, then fine, just say so. If they want to do the same thing with us as they did with RvB and have us merge into a single team, then fine, just say so. However, saying nothing to either group when they both reached out to you and then banning them both just doesn't seem right.

Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence.

Everyone, the GM response to the petition was not brought to the attention of the Alliance Tournament team and should not have been sent, this was an error that we will investigate further.

Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence.

Basically you made the mistake of talking to GMs when you shoulda been talking to Loxy or Sreegs (I think PL were talking to Loxy about the whole sniggwaffe not being a b-team thing?)

Anyways I dunno why anyone is surprised by your two teams getting banned, the rule was created specifically for you in the first place ;P

I'm not sure if you simply did not read my post or are posting to create confusion.

I'm guessing Spitfire is just some community dev or something and doesn't know what he's talking about.

I didn't know what mail you were talking about so I just ignored it, also paranoid much?

wow I'm sorry I didn't memorize your post, you should really take a chill pill bro

Hahahhahaha its funny, we should be the ones being bitter assholes here, not you.

Wow there is a lot of blatant fear in here. Am I the only one that wants to actually fight the best out there...... There is way too much people just wanting to win and not enough wanting a challenge!

CCP has made their call. I won't get in to whether or not is was the right one, or how it was handled.

The real sticking point here is they are forced to make a judgement call on something that is entirely unsupported in game. The tournament in no way reflects the rest of Eve. They are separate entities. CCP doesn't seem to understand their own creation.

If everyone's favorite company was really interested in an epic, competitive tournament with little to no backroom deals and metagaming, they could easily introduce a pvp arena system. Until then, the AT will always remain the butt of e-sport jokes.

No one has said you are one entity. What CCP is saying is that as far as the AT is concerned the two of you are either acting as if you are one entity or giving the perception of the same. There's a difference there. And after the shenanigans last year, whoever is running your teams should have had the common sense to avoid even the remotest suggestion of collusion. They didn't, and now two entire alliances are suffering for it. You can blame CCP all you want, but at the end of the day it was your own leaderships that put you in this position, not CCP.

wow I'm sorry I didn't memorize your post, you should really take a chill pill bro

No one has said you are one entity. What CCP is saying is that as far as the AT is concerned the two of you are either acting as if you are one entity or giving the perception of the same. There's a difference there. And after the shenanigans last year, whoever is running your teams should have had the common sense to avoid even the remotest suggestion of collusion. They didn't, and now two entire alliances are suffering for it. You can blame CCP all you want, but at the end of the day it was your own leaderships that put you in this position, not CCP.

The same leadership that reached out to CCP many months ago and trusted in the single response we got from a Senior GM? I am not surprised that the Senior GM & the tournament team was not in contact with one another, but the ONLY response we got from any CCP entity was from that Senior GM despite sending 2 emails to the EVETV address which were completely ignored.

Even though Loxy acknowledged that such emails would be addressed after the signup process was through, they never were. We had one response from a CCP entity to trust in and it was completely ignored by the tournament team, taking out both teams in the process.

They may have ignored your emails, but I somehow doubt they banned you from the fansite program after ignoring you even though you sent multiple emails that were transparent in what you wanted to do with your website.

Seriously? Unless you're a complete noob you know better (not 'should know better', but definitively 'know better') than to put any faith into a GM response.

I am starting this thread in hopes that maybe it will allow a middle ground to be reached by these teams and CCP. I am inviting every team to share there thoughts and vote about this subject.

I hope that if there is enough support that we will see CCP bend the rules like they did for me and my team that was disbanded a few years ago after the deadline. I believe it worked out for the best and gave the viewers a good show.

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

There should be a defending champion at least to defend their title and I would hate to see some the best minds not get into the tourney for a technicality.


I ask kindly to please allow them to reform like you did VOLTRON a few years ago.

Thank you for time.

Wild

We sent the mail to very same e-mail Loxy told us to send inquiries to after Raivi asked him. We in fact sent multiple mails directly to the CCP tournament team. This is all very clear in the quote I included. He acknowledged that he should have replied to us but was waiting for some reason.

Then you should probably have waited for that reply before doing anything that might result in a ban.

I too think it's a worse tournament without you, but you come off as deliberately wanting to stretch the intent of a rule created to prevent that exact behaviour. Much like going spelunking in Jove space that creates a headache for the organisers who, in essence being volunteers, are going to pick the easy solution.

You're trolling for an Eagle with ECM bonuses m8

Wow there is a lot of blatant fear in here. Am I the only one that wants to actually fight the best out there...... There is way too much people just wanting to win and not enough wanting a challenge!

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

I am starting this thread in hopes that maybe it will allow a middle ground to be reached by these teams and CCP. I am inviting every team to share there thoughts and vote about this subject.

I hope that if there is enough support that we will see CCP bend the rules like they did for me and my team that was disbanded a few years ago after the deadline. I believe it worked out for the best and gave the viewers a good show.

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

There should be a defending champion at least to defend their title and I would hate to see some the best minds not get into the tourney for a technicality.


I ask kindly to please allow them to reform like you did VOLTRON a few years ago.

Thank you for time.

Wild

What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy

we just dont have enough people to practice separately.

anyways we would have to pick some another team to practice with and i bet that ccp would say "what the ****? now you made even more backup teams? C and D? KICK BAN GTFO IDK etc."

just because their ass was on fire for entire year and they could not think clearly because of PAIN.

now it exploded at last.

You surely have 10 other peeps to fight against?

I think they should have asked for that before, instead of trying to get both teams in.

and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.

I think it's fine you guy's practiced together... But you should only be allowed to try to get into the ATX with 1 team, since you are training together like you were, and because of last year... But I strongly believe at least one of you should be allowed to join this year... even merge a team together if you wish

as a secondary rule, I would think it would be fine if CCP punished any future offenders who left us with a similar battle as last year by simply giving the first price to the team that was beat right before the final match and deny it for the winner... unless they provide us with a EPIC BATTLE!

Give Hydra and Outbreak one spot together, as the first match they go up against eachother to compete for one spot and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.

Tbh though i want to see them both in there, two of the best damn pvp teams Ive seen in EVE. The Tournament will be a joke now.

pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublords
what, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?

Umm no.

I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =)

CCP's hands are tied. they cant ban PL for it will dramatically reduce already broken interest to AT

TBH Hydra and Outbreak were asking for it. Both alliances AND the 2 Team captains should have been banned from future tournments after last year final.

More, if you see alliances favouring other alliances to get them on following stages, they, and their Team Captains should be banned also.

This is of course if CCP wants to make the Tournment one of the highest moments in EVE during each year. If you aren't well just let people keep fixing matches one after the other, playing games in fixed bets and so on , so on, so on.

Alliance tournament x rules:
GÇ£We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.GÇ¥

Teams Removed From Competition:
GÇ£YOUR VOTES DONGÇÖT COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.GÇ¥

We are watching teams that enter the tournament closely and in the spirit of the b and c team rule if we deem you as essentially the same "team" with two entries you will be removed from the Tournament.

. The winner this year won't be able to call themselfs the best without challenging the reigning champs.

u saying this like CCP cares about how and who will be able to call

failing in communication with customers could not be more visible as its now with this decision.

shame on you CCP.

Yep, some people seem to forget that the Hydra and Outbreak alliance team members now being shat on are also 50 or so of CCP's customers, many whom have provided CCP in the range of 100+ monthly subs each... And willingly entertained their other customers as well as providing vast amounts of marketing material for free while paying even more for the priviledge... Oh dear.

While there will always be some contrarians, I'd hazard a guess that most spectators did not consider what they saw in last year's final 'entertainment'. I'd hazard another guess and say rigged tournies aren't the sort of free marketing material CCP is looking for from its players. Oh dear.

I dunno, a few 100k's of youtube views on just the AT videos of said teams, "emergent gameplay" "metagaming" quite visible in CCP marketing etc. Most people I know of originally heard of EVE due to one of the many scam stories or other behind-the-scenes- shenanigans like the AT9 final ended up to be...

[quote=Raimo] The blatant display last year was offensive to people that expected fair play

Also i had to buy my mate a round because of that debacle! Before that final i liked both of you guys, now i think you're worse than Goons.. *gasps* yes, i said it... worse than Goons....

Ironically enough the whole reason why the pubbies are justifying us getting banned from the tournament is the exact same reason that pubbies would use to justify CCP mass muting GoonSwarm alliance, or some other ******** heavy handed action.

lol, mispost on an alt?

lol, mispost on an alt?

pubbies

So if I well understand, Outbreak and Hydra are removed from competion because they are suspected both to play as one entity, PL and Sniggwaffe too.

BUT PL IS NOT REMOVED? wtf

Kick PL or let hydra/outbreak compet with one team.

That just doesnt make any sense if you let PL/waffe play but not hydra/outbreak.

If rules are not applied to everyone, thats not rules, thats bullsh**.

Also I really dont understand how would you ever come to think of us as a B-Team.

If the highest you plan to compete for is second place, your a B-team by any metric.

CCP this is some major ******* bullshit. A GM says it's ok, Hydra/Outbreak go ahead and do it, and then you ban them? That's ******. If the GM shouldn't have told them that, then it sounds like an issue with your crappy internal communication. Y'know, the stuff you said you were gonna fix. You people suck. What makes it even more bullshit is that after the mistake has been made you have explicitly decided not to readdress the situation. Way to compound an error. And on top of all that you let PL slide for fielding two teams. Nice "impartial judgement" there. And now you are just gonna stand the line and keep on screaming "no no no" even though you guys clearly ****** up. Like you needed any more bad press. Fucktards.

CCP this is some major ******* bullshit. A GM says it's ok, Hydra/Outbreak go ahead and do it, and then you ban them? That's ******. If the GM shouldn't have told them that, then it sounds like an issue with your crappy internal communication. Y'know, the stuff you said you were gonna fix. You people suck. What makes it even more bullshit is that after the mistake has been made you have explicitly decided not to readdress the situation. Way to compound an error. And on top of all that you let PL slide for fielding two teams. Nice "impartial judgement" there. And now you are just gonna stand the line and keep on screaming "no no no" even though you guys clearly ****** up. Like you needed any more bad press. Fucktards.

You do realize what they told the GM was not the whole truth right?

You do realize that you have no evidence that they were planning to throw any fights.

You do realize that the rule didn't say anything about throwing fights.

You do realize what they told the GM was not the whole truth right?

Also Hydra/Outbreak claim they sent multiple email/petitions to the Alliance Team asking for clarification which supposedly went ignored for weeks. And yet as soon as they form up on SiSi there is the Alliance Team ready to act. Doesn't that seem a little weird to you?

Also Hydra/Outbreak claim they sent multiple email/petitions to the Alliance Team asking for clarification which supposedly went ignored for weeks. And yet as soon as they form up on SiSi there is the Alliance Team ready to act.

Then maybe they should have started testing separately until they got an answer instead of doing something all signs pointed to would actually be against the rules.

How does forming up into one corp on the test server change that?

Except they already had a "senior" GM's statement that sharing info and sparring was totally legit.

In retrospect you are absolutely correct. Congrats on your 20/20 hindsight btw. Now that everyone knows that a GM's statement means absolutely nothing, nobody in their right mind would have made the choice to start testing as a combined group. Funny thing is, that for the past 9 years or so we have been made to believe (by CCP amusingly enough) that a GM's statement can be taken as fact. Especially a senior GM's since they really know their ****.

So yeah, we can totally say "you shoulda known". But given the info they had, it seems reasonable enough for them to go ahead with testing. Especially when the Alliance Team was apparently not going to make an effort to reply to emails/petitions.

Because it makes them one team dumbass, christ.

Except they already had a "senior" GM's statement that sharing info and sparring was totally legit.

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/alliance-tournament-x-hydra-rule.html

Last year was my first alliance tournament. Not as a competitor. Obviously. As a spectator. I was super excited about watching it. And barring the final match (more on that in a smidgen), the tournament exceeded all of my expectations. Mainly because of CCP. Damn, they put on a great show. I've never watched video game tournaments before, and did not quite realize how sporting event-like they could be. It was like watching a compressed version of the Final Four Tournament (a big American college basketball tournament, which I don't actually watch, because basketball is hell of boring, but if you live in North America you can't help but know something about it.)

Alliance Tournament IX was quite exciting. I especially enjoyed all the in-match commentating by actual players, flown out to Iceland for the job. The inter-match banter and analysis was even more fantastic. Damn, if CCP Soundwave isn't the funniest person living in the middle of the North Atlantic. CCP put on an excellent show that flaunted their game most spectacularly.

Some of the shine to all this CCP and competitive excellence was taken off the event with the shenanigans of the final match. One alliance, Hydra Reloaded, decided to form another alliance, Outbreak, so that they could field two teams. Both teams made it to the final match. Hell, some of the same people were probably on both teams -- play a Hydra match, then jump onto an alt to play the Outbreak match. (There's nothing to confirm this, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.)

So come the final match, Outbreak throws the match for Hydra Reloaded. It was a complete farce. Their apology afterwards? They were sorry they couldn't have faked their fight more convincingly. Like, what the hell? Fake is fake, convincing or not. That **** would have got out no matter, no way to keep that secret. People in EVE can't keep their mouths shut if they think they've pulled one over. (Considering the possibility that some of the same people played on both teams, it would help to explain their inability to stage a convincing fight against each other.)

So the rule for the upcoming Alliance Tournament X, that there will be no pre-tournament collusion, consider it the Hydra Reloaded rule. They won last year's tournament, so they get the infamy of the new rule named after them.

So, this year, so far, three alliances have been banned from Alliance Tournament X. Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak. Because they figured they could do as they did last year, two teams from, effectively, one alliance. As well, Your Votes Don't Count has been banned, apparently Pandemic Legion's version of Outbreak.

The new rule against pre-tournament collusion, it's good. We wouldn't be particularly enthused if the University of Indiana were fielding two teams in the Final Four tournament. Even worse if the University of Indiana created the University of Central Indiana, which doesn't normally have any students except during March when suddenly basketball players, and those basketball players are students at the University of Indiana the rest of the year.

So kudos to CCP Sreegs for coming down hard on folks trying to game the pre-tournament entry process. One alliance, one team.

I do wonder a tad about the recent bannings. Hydra Reloaded and Outbreak are banned for colluding with each other, for Outbreak basically being Hydra Reloaded. How come Pandemic Legion was not banned along with Your Votes Don't Count? Seems curious. The situation is similar (if not identical) to Hydra/Outbreak, no?

You do understand the difference between the GM staff, tasked with assisting and enforcing rules on TQ, and the small group of devs involved with organising the alliance tournament, right?

It's special because you can point to it as a deus ex machina wildcard to do whatever under an ambiguous rule. It happened and nobody denies it. It doesn't even matter that it happened a month before the tournament and on the test server of all places. That's why it is so special. You can simply overwhelm potential competitors with your poor ruling and thus cast a shadow of poop over the rest of the tournament.

And CCP has not played this well regardless of the intent of Hydra/Outbreak to collude and regardless of the correspondence between them and CCP. You know, warnings are a good thing to use before such drastic action - "It has come to our attention you formed a single corp on SiSi but entered two teams into the draw, we feel this violates rule #whatever, cease this in 24h or there will be consequences". Instead.. welp.

One thing has occurred to me ... CCP has this rule in place, that you cannot have joined the alliance you wish to compete as a member for after May 05 2012.

If Hydra and Outbreak were practicing in one corporation, and since a corporation can only belong to a single alliance ... then one half of that training team (probably the Outbreak half, since they apparently suckle at Hydra's teet) would be ineligible to participate in ATX. So, why the ban? They screwed themselves, did they not?

They were in the same corp on Singularity not TQ, you mouth breather

Same difference. Two alliances, one team.

One alliance, Hydra Reloaded, decided to form another alliance, Outbreak, so that they could field two teams.

Lets lock every tread, that will do it. Worked great last time guys.

Whole 1st page full of locked threads, tons of characters banned. Good stuff.

And yes, OB is a very old alliance with years of history, older than Hydra and no they are not consisted of alt characters of Hydra guys, even CCP knows this.

Outbreak. won last year IMO. I feel they are the superior team.


OH HAI I SEE THIS IS WHERE THE AFTERPARTY IS!

Yet another topic locked. And the last post by Sreegs has him ignoring my questions yet again only to respond with "wow": https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1369261#post1369261

Excellent work, Sreegs - thanks for answering the questions I gave you when you quoted my posts.

Same difference. Two alliances, one team.

The reason Sreegs doesn't answer is because he can't. RvB, people who have no real chance of winning, are able to get in contact with the ATX team and sort out their issue quickly. Meanwhile the champions of ATIX are unable to get any form of response from the ATX team whilst the ATX team are actively monitoring the team. That sounds more than a bit strange to me personally.

Honestly though, the damage is done now. CCP are much too stubborn to admit they may have made mistakes and they don't want to lose face by unbanning Hydra or Outbreak. Not that they would want to unban either party; they've caused them grief both last year and this year.

The whole thing is a slippery slope. You can't ban both Hydra and Outbreak, choose one in the name of fairness.

You banned Sniggwaffe for being a training corp. So let's follow that decision making process. You can now start removing access for every 'pet' alliance in the game. En Garde is out due to being affiliated with -A- to the point where main -A- corps have "academy" corporations in En Garde. FA/TNT/FCON are all closely affiliated with Goons, will they also be removed? How far will this be taken?

It's fine you want to create a precedent that allows small alliances a shot as well, but at least make your decisions from a position where you can reasonably defend it without making selective choices based on your own opinions. The cooperation between Hydra and Outbreak is fairly obvious and I can see why one of them could reasonably be removed. Especially following all the talk there was that they were working together last year and the stuff this year on the test server. But pick and choose and engage in dialogue with those groups before setting it in stone.

The fact that you have not included other alliance's "training alliances" in this whole thing just proves the hypocracy. If you want to enforce something, do it properly and not half-assed to get back at whomever you don't like

The problem isn't your rules pr say, it's that you don't enforce them outside of your own constructed realities.

They were banned because they acted as a single group, with people/equipment being shared and engaged in activities, that went quite a bit further than any other entity has gone. It's odd they're the ones having all these special troubles abiding with a rule, that the other competitors have had no trouble with.

By that same reasoning we should start including all killmails from Sisi since those are kills aren't they.

Nobody bothered to talk with Hydra / Outbreak about the situation and just jumped the gun by taking in AT9.
Even though no rules were broken at AT9 it was quickly assumed they would break the rules now. Because we all know that everything that happens on Sisi means exactly the same on Tranquility.

If any official would have taken the time to talk with the Hydra / Outbreak CEO's they might have come to a whole other conclusion, Yet they chose not to. Which image they portrayed with that is up to the eye every beholder.
It's an utter sign of weakness that a lot of blue posts got removed. The question rises as why they are removed in the first place.
Yet again a matter of how people wish to look at it.
And this whole situation from A to Z has become a cesspool of vagueness.

The whole cloak and dagger routine doesn't work anymore, but as soon as all cloaks get dropped and daggers put on the table it seems that one side trumps dagger with a hammer.
This isn't the kind of dialogue which got promised after the T20 and after that the Jita riots debacle.

So what is so hard at communicating openly and actually saying sorry if you messed up somewhere.
That goes for all parties involved.

Hydrabreak never broke any rules last year , this year CCP AT representatives chose not to communicate because they are big babbys and then tried coming off all smug, which lead to them getting gagged by people upstairs

Banning both Hydra and Outbreak but only banning PL's B-team is laughable. Why not ban all PL teams, or allow one of hydra/outbreak? Oh wait that would be consistency/fairness and not obvious favouritism, childish grudges and buttmad

Banning both Hydra and Outbreak but only banning PL's B-team is laughable. Why not ban all PL teams, or allow one of hydra/outbreak? Oh wait that would be consistency/fairness and not obvious favouritism, childish grudges and buttmad

maybe because PL/snigg never f*cked up the AT yet, nor tried to. They also dont even train together.

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.

what?

what?

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.

Yet another topic locked. And the last post by Sreegs has him ignoring my questions yet again only to respond with "wow": https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1369261#post1369261

Excellent work, Sreegs - thanks for answering the questions I gave you when you quoted my posts.



Your blog on this matter already showed how little you know about this subject. You should really not comment on these things when you write stuff like this on your blog (in regards to AT IX):



You do not have the faintest clue what you are talking about. Outbreak has been around for a LONG time.

Blog in question: http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/alliance-tournament-x-hydra-rule.html

They were given the go ahead to share tactics and spar against one another.

You didn't see the latest PL Python inject hacking in past AT's evidence yet, did you? All is cool as long as it stays hidden, I guess.

Its also all made up

Ahaha

Are you saying that Python injection hacking as a working concept is made up? (Proof exists that you're wrong)

Or that PL didn't do stuff like that in past tourneys like indicated by certain posts? (Posts that do look legit but ofc it might be made up)

I dunno, sometimes the best troll is the truth...

Hydrabreak never broke any rules last year , this year CCP AT representatives chose not to communicate because they are big babbys and then tried coming off all smug, which lead to them getting gagged by people upstairs

CCP are being douches.
AT is not the same without last year's winners.
Defending champions is what makes all competitions into a great spectacle.

they didnt win, the match was fixed.

And how about all those other matches that eventually led to the finals? Also fixed?

That's not the point, the point is it made it obvious that they entered two teams to increase the chances of winning.

I honestly don't think they meant or meet up in the finals, and they didn't mean to have the spotlight on them. Poor guys, if only they had pulled off that last match. I really don't think they planned to both make it.

I don't think that's true, there were always a few B-teams but most of the time alliances didn't have enough people interested / willing / capable enough to put in the time so they could afford to split their efforts like that..
Lots of alliances can't even field one team, let alone two.

PL this year f.i. wouldn't have had a B-team even if they'd been allowed to ( your votes don't count don't count since their team was entirely seperate / independent / full of spies )

loool alt much ? I wasn't even talking about hydra / 0utbreak

Maybe you should cry some more about how much my posting hurts you deep inside ;[

As for what I think and know, it's a fuc kload more than you that's for sure, GH-SC had even infiltrated the so called PL B - team but clearly I'm just making all this up ~

I don't think that's true, there were always a few B-teams but most of the time alliances didn't have enough people interested / willing / capable enough to put in the time so they could afford to split their efforts like that..
Lots of alliances can't even field one team, let alone two.

PL this year f.i. wouldn't have had a B-team even if they'd been allowed to ( your votes don't count don't count since their team was entirely seperate / independent / full of spies )

And lol at the alts posting. GHSC are definately PL pets. You called it.

*cry cry cry* "I KNOW A FUC KLOAD MORE THEN YOU!! STOP TEASING ME BEFORE I CRY MORE! My only defence is namecalling and that ive once was in PL/larger corp/alliance so therefore I by default know more then you!"

Thats how you sound to me, but it might just be me. So please keep on posting and make a clown of yourself a bit more, Im gonna go home from work with a smile.

Im not an alt damnit!

...given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition

This was given as the reason why the alliance "your votes dont count" is considered a B-team:



I guess they overlooked that this description fits perfectly for your alliance too Tyrrax lol. Maybe they should've been more careful when making up reasons to ban alliances they didnt like... but I guess applying the same rules to everyone never mattered anyway so nevermind.

I guess they overlooked that this description fits perfectly for your alliance too Tyrrax lol. Maybe they should've been more careful when making up reasons to ban alliances they didnt like... but I guess applying the same rules to everyone never mattered anyway so nevermind.

YOUR VOTES DONGÇÖT COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.

I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.

I think you missed the point. Im just saying the reason given looks bogus, otherwise they wouldve applied it to Dystopia. I dont say that they should kick more people, that would make it even worse.

Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.

Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.

The tournament is so far detracted from 'real' EVE PVP it's hilarious.
I don't know why anyone gives so much of a **** about it.

I'm happy to participate and theory-craft and what-ever else. But **** crying like a child, night after day because some assholes kick me out of this pretend competition.

The real game is on Tranq, go do what you blokes are good at.

The real game is too easy.

Although , from what I hear, setting up multiple poses is pretty damn difficult

"There's a guy in the Dystopia team who hopped in from HABIT to compete in the tournament, this is obviously highly indicative of collusion just like Hydrabreak"

Soundwave and Sreegs aren't butthurt about them though. Sreegs already confessed the whole Hydra and Outbreak thing was a staged event due to Soundwave's butthurt and was going to happen, in his words, "at any cost".
The interested parties are pretending to be unaware of Sreegs' confession and are using bogus arguments that have no relevancy to deflect attention from where it ought to be, at corrupt CCP practises (AGAIN), and to where it is most convenient to place it (At the feet of people they cannot hope to compete with on any level)

You shouldn't waste your time even talking to people who are operating on that agenda. However, if you've got time to spare, sure... could be fun, I guess.

lol

CCP and its player base honestly deserve each other.

lol

CCP and its player base honestly deserve each other.

Duncan your bitter is showing, pull your skirt down.

Thanks for the insight, I wasn't aware I was making an unpleasant post.

P.S. J145440 was as easy as J150754, perhaps you should be more concerned about keeping your own skirt down.

sup proxay, where'd the blade team go?

Your own unfounded sense of importance aside, you seem to have missed one very very small detail.
I bet you can guess what it is if you look at Hydra's killboard.
Although your alleged "point" is so wildly wide of the mark I'm going to have to hedge my bet, here's a clue,
February 2012. Over 1000 kills.
And as tournament testing kicks in, it drops steadily 700 in March, 500 in April, May just 135.

So here's the kicker, since Sreegs and Soundwave ejected them from the tournament for not breaking any of the rules they introduced one might think that June's kill rate would be back near 1000.
No it's 58. And 56 of those are by just 2 people.

You see, CCP don't need a talented cluster of individuals who can make their other 40,000 customer look like absolute trash, and 40,000 scrublords aren't going to complain if CCP dispense with the very people who remind them they simply have no chance to ever really achieve.

Hydra, don't actually need CCP either. I rather imagine they are off winning prizes in other games. Prizes that, having won them, the people running the competitions actually deliver them. Unlike certain Eve Fanfest prizes that should be at Hydra HQ by now, but aren't, and never will be.

There are better products, run by better people. People who are not liars and thieves.

I miss finals like AT 4-5.


Metagame and sandboxes are great advertising tools but it makes for a crappy sport.
Anyone who disagrees can kiss my ass.

You're right that they have every right to go and do that, thats their choice. However if they do i think they give up any right for anyone to carry on whinging like a bunch of self entitled drama queens throwing a ' look at me' temper tantrum.

If they dont want to play anymore theres the door, dont let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

Reading isn't your forte I see. Let me break it so simple even a CCP fanboi can understand.
THEY'VE ALREADY GONE. You are mistaking forum posts for fitting screens. It's already over.

what

Your own unfounded sense of importance aside, you seem to have missed one very very small detail.
I bet you can guess what it is if you look at Hydra's killboard.
Although your alleged "point" is so wildly wide of the mark I'm going to have to hedge my bet, here's a clue,
February 2012. Over 1000 kills.
And as tournament testing kicks in, it drops steadily 700 in March, 500 in April, May just 135.

So here's the kicker, since Sreegs and Soundwave ejected them from the tournament for not breaking any of the rules they introduced one might think that June's kill rate would be back near 1000.
No it's 58. And 56 of those are by just 2 people.

Not much reason to play a game run by the likes of CCP. :)

Maybe if HYDRA pilots hadn't reacted in such a way and instead had been a bit more respectable, then the community would have gotten behind you and you would be participating in some way.

Haha, are you kidding me? We presented the facts, were completely ignored by CCP on the important issues (emails never answered and a GM response that was deemed 'invalid'). There is no way there would have been any "community backing", the EVE community would rather just have the drama. And even if there had been it would have made no difference to CCP as they were slighted from last year and was just looking for an excuse, community backing or not.

Are you honestly this naive or is this just your EVE-O forum poastin' shinin' through?

This is exactly what I mean. You constantly blame other people for your **** up while belittling other people. The only person to blame here as far as I can see is you, bending the rules as far as you possibly can then bitching like a little girl when you get caught.

And for the record myself, and many of the members of PL that I have spoken to, would have backed you quite happily until your mebers started acting like splurging retards at any opportunity (including this thead).

If you want to know WHY CPP was looking for any excuse it's because you act like constant morons. What you did last year was perfectly valid and in the rules; yes it sucked but there is a chance we, and anyone else in your position, would have done the same. Quite a big one as far as our members are concerned. I was the head of the B-team for PL last year and I can tell you it was discussed at length what we would have done if we both reached the finals.

So there you go. Not only did you lose yourself allies in game with all your emo-bullshit, you lost credit with the people who it most mattered to: CCP. You only have yourself to blame. Maybe if you acted with a little more class in your dealing with other people, especially CCP, they would consider not saying 'lol nope' and then enjoying watching you cry your little babby eyes out on the forums.

You've turned into the little boy nobody wants to play with because he punches everyone, then when someone calls you up on it you cry that everyone hates you. Grow up

Don't worry Rive, Intigo has been resorting to petty insults for like a week now.