It's a good thing that CCP clarified that joining the same corp was not allowed, but practicing together is.

The fact that the rule is so vague is the very reason that CVA & 4th were confused. They had considered doing the very same thing before HYDRA & Outbreak were banned.

Do you think Sreegs would have instantly banned their teams too?

Don't confuse my posts with anything other than replies related to previous tournies, go back a bit further and you'll see i do not agree with the complete ban, even the rules previously posted don't mention A-Teams being banned for having b,c, etc teams

We did mention it somewhere it just really isn't worth my time digging it up for people who won't be participating in this year's alliance tournament.

Sreeg you are really really bad at talking to the playerbase... you should find someone else to do it for you... you are acting like Hilmar did before he had to say sorry to everyone.

And that's the precise reason why you should step out and let someone above you handle this.

If you're going to post a timeline insert facts. Don't misrepresent me or the team purposely. That doesn't look like a request because it isn't.

It's alright Sreegs, it's clear that trying to come to a resolution that allowed the defending champions to participate was never a priority for you.

Maintaining a high level of competitiveness for the tournament was never a priority for you.

Dealing with the situation professionally was never a priority for you.

We've wanted to believe that this was a misunderstanding on your end so we tried to post clarification and come to a resolution.

We were wrong however, the misunderstanding is on our end. You never intended for us to participate in the tournament to begin with. If you had you would've talked to us as you talked to others before taking action.

We've come to accept this now.

Enjoy your tournament.

ok

:edit: haha j/k I'm still here

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None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.

I hope this helps but it probably won't.

ive never seen someone so directly communicating with the player base.....id say hes doing the best damn job of all ccp

The first point could be false, however the following still stands:

0utbreak, Hydra etc. sent emails to that email address with queries about the Alliance Tournament. At this point, two things happened:

i) You read those emails and thought about what to do with them OR
ii) You didn't read them.

Since other teams have revealed that they've sent in their own queries and that they've been answered, it's pretty clear that those emails have been read and that you deliberately chose not to respond to 0utbreak/Hydra's queries.

By refusing to communicate with them, you knew that they would continue along this road and that you would have to ban them from the tournament.

If your primary concern was to make this tournament as good as possible, you would want them in the tournament. Why? They are in the highest "tier" of tournament teams - they have ISK, they have experience, they have skillpoints and they have teamwork. Most teams only have 1-2, some with 3. Not many have all 4.

But, you didn't want them in the tournament. Your feelings regarding last year's final ruled supreme over your desire to make this the best alliance tournament ever.

Do I think you shouldn't host the AT? No, you obviously have a passion for it otherwise you wouldn't be replying about it on a Saturday afternoon when I presume you're off the clock. And the improvements to ship points/team sizes etc. should shake it up quite nicely, with more gank orientated setups which are more fun to watch than the logi orientated setups.

Just admit that you had a lapse of judgement and for the greater good will allow them to submit a joint team and most of this will go away.

As for deleting posts? Compare and contrast https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113748 with http://eve-search.com/thread/113748-1.

I'm Sorry, where did it say that what happend in AT9 was against the rules? No rules were broken! therefore they can not be regarded as "cheats" for it.

What would probably end all this posting is an admission from sreegs and co that basically this is them hitting back at last years finalists out of spite. You outmetagamed the metagamers and fair play ccp, you did it well. Just admit that this is payback and this matter will be closed. Its pretty pathetic how you are behaving. Most people can see that this was your attempt at revenge. You really are a bunch of kids at times. You made mistakes, you tried cover them up. admit your wrong doings and move along. By the way, If one of my employee's spoke to my customers the way you do to yours you would be out on your ear! Show some professionalism, man.

also love how you hung the Senior GM who responded to Hydra/0utbreak out to dry to cover you behinds. Smooth!

Even a simpleton can easily why they went off together for the sake of convenience.
And if you're a bit serious about winning, like Hydra & outbreak are.
You go practice in a wormhole.

They only need 1 corp.
They can train against worthy adversaries.
Fleet finder is a nifty handy tool when you can just tick "corporation".

And there's this super awesome feature introduced (after being pushed by an elected official of the playerbase, TwoStep) called Corporation Bookmarks.

As wormhole dwelling resident, I can tell you this one was a lifechanger.

Reiterating "read the stickies" does not explain anything at all. CVA & 4th considered doing the very same thing we did without being aware at all that it was not allowed because your rules were so vague that you can suit any ruling to fit your needs.

Does the fact that they had the same plan initially not give you a hint at how vague your ruleset is and how silly it is for the entire Alliance Tournament team to ignore all attempts at communication from Garmon?

And yet you instantly ban 3 teams taking all those things into consideration.

It's impressive.

We did mention it somewhere it just really isn't worth my time digging it up for people who won't be participating in this year's alliance tournament.

If you're serious about winning you enter two teams and act that way. Just like every team that will be competing this year.

And so they did! They just trained against each other!

How can you justify banning HYDRA & Outbreak without any warning, without responding to any attempts at communication when other teams had considered doing the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did in order to make wormhole practicing ENDURABLE?!

Of course it is, you are currently the only member of CCP staff actively and publicly replying to this issue.
Most arguments are about them being completely excluded are based on no rules say 'A' teams will be banned as well if found to have 'B' / 'C' etc teams.

Your saying there is a section saying these teams will be removed but won't link/quote it.

Also, there are competing teams asking for this information so dig it up for them.

Reiterating "read the stickies" does not explain anything at all. CVA & 4th considered doing the very same thing we did without being aware at all that it was not allowed because your rules were so vague that you can suit any ruling to fit your needs.

Does the fact that they had the same plan initially not give you a hint at how vague your ruleset is and how silly it is for the entire Alliance Tournament team to ignore all attempts at communication from Garmon?

And yet you instantly ban 3 teams taking all those things into consideration.

It's impressive.

I don't delete posts nor have I asked for any to be deleted. Please don't say what I did or didn't know. I'm not a psychic and neither are you. The email sent is irrelevant as I've already pointed out and I'm tired of explaining that. I'm also tired of explaining that how good someone is doesn't have any bearing on the rules or how they're applied.

I'm also tired of explaining that if I didn't want them in the tournament they wouldn't have been able to apply.

I know it all seems pretty simple when I write that but that's because it is.

You won't be seeing Hydra or Outbreak in this tournament in any form as per the stickies. I already said that as well.

I'm not a psychic and neither are you.

When did I say you were the one deleting them? I said "CCP starts deleting posts on forums related to this". Are you saying that someone outside CCP is deleting them?

So if all teams are treated equally regardless of how good they, how come one team was responded to but another team or two wasn't responded to?

This is what I don't understand. You're willing to work with RvB, PL etc. so they can participate. But not with 0utbreak or Genos. Why not? And don't say they're previous cheaters when there were no rules against what they did (in fact, PL did the same thing, just were less successful - no insult to PL meant).

There's a difference between being firm and just refusing to listen.

So do you have proof that this year they were going to do the same thing as last year?
Did you watch them while traininig?
Do you have a spy on their voice servers relaying you intel?
Or which source is telling you that this year's AT will be the same one as the one before?


Because if the logs show nothing, what's your decision resting on.

Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX.

So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together.