To go further, I still have to see the rule where it says A-teams will also be banned.
You never mention that you will also disqualify A-teams.

I'm pretty sure I usually blame the people responsible for wrongdoing when I get mad. I don't blame the prison. Hopefully this helps point your anger in the right direction.

Guys relax. It's just springtime for CCP, and they have a tradition of going full Screegs this time of the year. I just wish this years Alliance Tournament wasn't based on Whose line is it anyway.

In the future it would be best if all similar decision had to be accepted by the CSM in order to avoid another Screegs/t20 incident.

If you want to go that way let's prosecute them in front of a jury of peers.
Still need to see the rule where it states that A-teams will be disqualified aswell.

If you're so hung on to them, show me proof that they're were going to do this again.
And that still doesn't give you the right to ban both divisions of what is, according to you/whoever made the decision one team. Because it's nowhere stated in the new or old rules

Hmmm

Attempt to stop ''B'' team metagaming, thats ok with me, leads to better pewpew imo whilst still allowing the other forms of tournament metagaming.

Forcibly stop one 'group' from entering multiple teams, thats cool too.

Ban that same group from entering completely, bearing in mind they are the previous winners, well known pvpers and a good team, not good, we want the best pvp teams, not 'the best of the rest'.

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On another note, waffles (sniggwaffe) would LOVE to kick PL's ass in the tourney, seriously, no quarter would be given by either side.

We're too busy with D3, DayZ and continous BF3 Ownag3 to seriously contend in the tourney.

None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.

If you're going to post a timeline insert facts. Don't misrepresent me or the team purposely. That doesn't look like a request because it isn't.

Where is the rule that you can be banned for being in same corp/alliance on the test server... what happens on the test server has never before affected what happened on the real server... so that reason alone is very bad

PL had a b-team in AT9 and probably even earlier.

They didn't **** up with finals, but it doesn't mean they were not 'cheating'.

What facts did he miss?

The part where a Senior GM concluded it was ok to practice together?

The part where other teams practiced together?

The part where CVA was confused about the rules as well and had to ask for clarification because HYDRA & Outbreak were instantly banned?

The part where you left the rules intentionally vague so you could ban teams that you had a grudge against even though they had already attempted to get clarification from the Alliance Tournament team?

Sreeg you are really really bad at talking to the playerbase... you should find someone else to do it for you... you are acting like Hilmar did before he had to say sorry to everyone.

Try reading the rule because we actually said we'd ban both teams.

These are some of the main rule changes which we feel will add to the overall betterment of Alliance Tournament. Below is the full rule list for your information.



Match Rules

Tournament Rules

This is a three stage tournament, with 64 alliances allowed to enter.
There will be two pre-qualifying rounds, followed by a 32 team group stage and a 16 team final day.
All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.
To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be GÇÿBGÇÖ or GÇÿCGÇÖ teams for bigger Alliances.

None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.

I hope this helps but it probably won't.

You can keep pretending you were banned for "practicing together" as much as you want. That was never the case. If I wanted you out you'd never have entered. Stop being obtuse.

Correct, but read this:


Here Sreegs claims he made an exclusion for RvB and PL because they were not 'cheating' previously, which is not true - in a sense if we apply new rule to previous ATs. If we don't, then Hydra/OB were not cheating either, and his claim is wrong again.

Vague wording at best, it's not even included in the FULL RULE LIST which you can find in the dev blog archive.
Excerpt from devblog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28644 ):


Where is it hidden ;-)

Correct, but read this:


Here Sreegs claims he made an exclusion for RvB and PL because they were not 'cheating' previously, which is not true - in a sense if we apply new rule to previous ATs. If we don't, then Hydra/OB were not cheating either, and his claim is wrong again.

Until ATX secondary teams was not a rule breaker.

PL and RvB do not have a history of cheating, neither does Hydra and OB as they were well within the AT9 rules last year, as you CCP did state at the time. And Hydra and OB were not the only so called 'A and B' team, as you well know. They just happen to both as capable as the other as opposed to PL's B team.

And you state in your reply that you found it necessary to have have a conversation with PL and RvB, but it did not occur to you to have the same dialog with Hydra/OB? What is this, The Banana Bending Factory?

That's not what I said. Do not purposely misrepresent me. I am perfectly capable of speaking for myself and the quote you quoted doesn't say what you said it does.

That may very well be, but the rules under which HYDRA & Outbreak were banned were so vague that anyone who practiced together could have been banned under them.

You clarified them after banning HYDRA & Outbreak that joining a single corp is the basis for which you are officially "ban-worthy"

Did you read the post by the CVA member yet? They were considering doing the very same thing because your rules were so vague that was impossible to tell if that was legal or not.

You have no way of saying "HYDRA & Outbreak should have seen this coming" when other teams considered doing the very same thing.

How can you justify banning HYDRA & Outbreak without any warning, without responding to any attempts at communication when other teams had considered doing the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did in order to make wormhole practicing ENDURABLE?!

This goes for YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT as well. Because the rule was so vague they had no way of knowing they were breaking them - this is not exclusive to HYDRA & Outbreak's situation, it goes for every team in the tournament.

If you had seen CVA & 4th doing the same thing we did prior to banning HYDRA & Outbreak would you have banned both their teams too?

B team also tested 100% separately from the main team. it had its own fits and tactics. it never merged 2 teams/corps/alliances into one corp and hid in a worm hole.

That may very well be, but the rules under which HYDRA & Outbreak were banned were so vague that anyone who practiced together could have been banned under them.

You clarified them after banning HYDRA & Outbreak that joining a single corp is the basis for which you are officially "ban-worthy"

Did you read the post by the CVA member yet? They were considering doing the very same thing because your rules were so vague that was impossible to tell if that was legal or not.

You have no way of saying "HYDRA & Outbreak should have seen this coming" when other teams considered doing the very same thing.

How can you justify banning HYDRA & Outbreak without any warning, without responding to any attempts at communication when other teams had considered doing the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did in order to make wormhole practicing ENDURABLE?!

This goes for YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT as well. Because the rule was so vague they had no way of knowing they were breaking them - this is not exclusive to HYDRA & Outbreak's situation, it goes for every team in the tournament.

If you had seen CVA & 4th doing the same thing we did prior to banning HYDRA & Outbreak would you have banned both their teams too?

Keep grasping buddy eventually you'll find something that sticks and we'll let you back in. Honest.

It's a good thing that CCP clarified that joining the same corp was not allowed, but practicing together is.

The fact that the rule is so vague is the very reason that CVA & 4th were confused. They had considered doing the very same thing before HYDRA & Outbreak were banned.

Do you think Sreegs would have instantly banned their teams too?

How am I grasping? I presented some questions to you that you chose to ignore (a fairly common trend, with the Alliance Tournament team, it would appear).

How can you justify banning HYDRA & Outbreak without any warning, without responding to any attempts at communication when other teams had considered doing the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did in order to make wormhole practicing ENDURABLE?!

Did you read the CVA thread yet?