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Turnbell
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Posted - 2009.08.05 07:24:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: DrunkenIrony
Originally by: Turnbell
PS DunkenIrony I love your personal vendetta driven war, its highly amusing to those of us not involved. It would be even funnier if you failed. Actually, I have money on you losing.
Before you post wild accusations, maybe you should post on your main.
No Turnbell is the voice of me on the forums, in game I am another person. Its my way of coping, live with it.
As for wild accusations... lol
I love how much this war is getting to you. furthermore the fact that you are hiring mercs out to help your "cause" makes me all warm inside knowing you are putting so much into this conflict and can't succeed in any major breakthroughs.
though I need to thank you, there is rarely such juicy entertainment in Eve, I usually have to surf my WOL forums for such pleasurable conflict.
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Hellown
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:03:00 -
[62]
This exact thing happened to us a little while back, we also got Sweet F-all help from the GMs, even after linking the post that said it was an exploit ect. One work around we came up with was have an alt-corp wardec the corp, then join your alliance, needs to be done fast tho because of the vote thing ect. GL guys
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RoriNeko
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:16:00 -
[63]
what a shame!!
working around the system and restrictions is
THE PERFECT STRATEGY OF ANY ONLINE RPG GAME!!
Face it and work through the system back in revenge then~~
STOP WHINING and FIGHT BACK using the system then
SHAME ON YOU!
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Gregor Vernof
Imperium Signal Corps
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:21:00 -
[64]
And another useless Alt speaks up, boring.
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... never let a good story die, click the... er, well damn the threads disappeared... the linkys don't work.... Ah well nevermind....
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:28:00 -
[65]
I keep coming in here to say I like the word 'craptastic', but this is the first time I have managed to do it without getting suckered in to replying...
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Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:41:00 -
[66]
I'm just suprised that you feel the need to hire so many mercs so take on a mining/manufacture corp. Do you feel all big and tough now DI, did you spend the stolen 8 billion isk in a way that gave you a warm fuzzy feeling?? If you can live with yourself then I guess it must be warm and fuzzy with you head stuck up your own A$$. |
Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 08:59:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Wotchadoin
I'm just suprised that you feel the need to hire so many mercs so take on a mining/manufacture corp. Do you feel all big and tough now DI, did you spend the stolen 8 billion isk in a way that gave you a warm fuzzy feeling?? If you can live with yourself then I guess it must be warm and fuzzy with you head stuck up your own A$$.
Wait, what?
Stolen?
The thick plottens. Drama, will it ensue?
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:04:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Wotchadoin
I'm just suprised that you feel the need to hire so many mercs so take on a mining/manufacture corp. Do you feel all big and tough now DI, did you spend the stolen 8 billion isk in a way that gave you a warm fuzzy feeling?? If you can live with yourself then I guess it must be warm and fuzzy with you head stuck up your own A$$.
Wait, what?
Stolen?
The thick plottens. Drama, will it ensue?
Oh you didn't know DrunkenIrony used to be part of this alliance he left taking with him 8 billion isk to fund his little personal vendetta. It's sad really he wanted to be a big shot with a tiny gun, now he's just a small shot ordering around the big guns guess it gives him a sense of compensation. For his pea shooter.
Checkov? Well, this here's McCoy. We find a Spock, we got us an away team. |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:11:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Wotchadoin
Oh you didn't know DrunkenIrony used to be part of this alliance he left taking with him 8 billion isk to fund his little personal vendetta. It's sad really he wanted to be a big shot with a tiny gun, now he's just a small shot ordering around the big guns guess it gives him a sense of compensation. For his pea shooter.
While I'm actually still bothering to look here in eveo, I might as well confirm this. My understanding from the onset was that the noir/privateer/et al. pos shoot is being funded with stolen isk.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:14:00 -
[70]
Heh. Well, it makes no difference in the end- Noir. will deliver the goods to the customer, whatever those goods might be, and whoever requested said goods for delivery and can pay for said delivery of said goods.
Couldn't really call ourselves "mercenaries" otherwise. ;)
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
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Wotchadoin
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:35:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Heh. Well, it makes no difference in the end- Noir. will deliver the goods to the customer, whatever those goods might be, and whoever requested said goods for delivery and can pay for said delivery of said goods.
Couldn't really call ourselves "mercenaries" otherwise. ;)
So by that standard if you were paid double what he paid you then you would turn on him and kill him?? Since merc's work for the highest bidder right? |
Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:47:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Tiny Tove on 05/08/2009 09:47:44
I see no whine.
For the whinecallers out there, here is the coup.
A whine is what carebears do, and they do it as the very first port of call. Somebody flip your can? Whine. Somebody took your mission objective? Whine. Don't think. Don't try to find a resolution to your issue. Just whine. Right off the bat. Whine.
What Le Soultueur appears to be doing is asking for assistance to a long persistant problem, having explored all his alternatives, an appeal to the community is coming in as a late game option, so late in fact, it's probably too late.
See, there's the difference, is the Eve Post your first or your last action? It's the main tool for identifying if something is a whine or not.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:49:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wotchadoin
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Heh. Well, it makes no difference in the end- Noir. will deliver the goods to the customer, whatever those goods might be, and whoever requested said goods for delivery and can pay for said delivery of said goods.
Couldn't really call ourselves "mercenaries" otherwise. ;)
So by that standard if you were paid double what he paid you then you would turn on him and kill him?? Since merc's work for the highest bidder right?
Speaking for no other merc corp:
A customer, once an agreement has been reached, is a customer. To be a customer you must be able to pay the required fee, which you must negotiate. If you cannot pay the fee, you are not a customer. Where you get your ISK is not our business, and we really don't give a rat's ass.
Noir. has never (and will never) accept a "bribe" or "buyout" for a contract. There is literally not enough ISK in EVE to pay us to break our contract. You could get every character in the game to donate every ISK they have to you and offer it to Noir. to break a contract- in other words, turn on a customer- and it would. not. happen.
We are consummate professionals, and our reputation is our lifeblood. There is literally nothing you or anyone else can offer which would be enough of an incentive to trade that reputation away. Nothing. There is absolutely no lever large enough within this game to make that possible.
It's not personal. It's business, and in business your name is your life.
Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast |
Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 09:51:00 -
[74]
I remember why I stopped reading these forums now.
You people make my head hurt.
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Neat look what I found - Kreul
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.08.05 12:37:00 -
[75]
Everytimes something like this happens and a petition is obviously not read or ignored yuo need to contact IA.
If nothing else it means that is something dodgy does turn out to have happened (probably exposed by players rather than CCCP) then its harder to whitewash everythig and sweep the mess under the carpet.
Papertrails FTW
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Fig Jam
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:07:00 -
[76]
Originally by: RedSplat
Papertrails FTW
Not very environmentally friendly. "Non repudiation audit trail" is probably a better term 
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Alpha Dragh
Caldari
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:18:00 -
[77]
GIS has been contracted a couple of days ago to help defend the POS together with REPO and to engage Privateer targets.
We've been enjoing the short fights we've had so far and looking forward to some more elaborate pvp with you guys.
Furthermore we know, the decision to leave the alliace has been taken directly by the customer. GIS advised against it, and we were prepairing for a difficult but interesting POS defence round against Noir., Underworld and Privateers although their pilot count is notably higher. Also, the task was even more complicated for us due to the fact of not being able to shoot at Noir. and Underworld in advance, because of the 24 hours delay of the wardec, and not to forget the timezone difference. Nevertheless the defense was well prepared but the customer has choosen another way of handling the situation.
Ultimately, this is the customer's decision and we will have to live with it and continue to provide the service of protection, we are getting paid for. As any good merc corp (and "player", in general) we will try to maximize our efficiency, acting within the rules defined for the game. If an action within the rules is not explicitly marked as an abuse/exploit (with the consequence of a game-ban), then it is a valid action.
We agree that the game mechanics involving leaving alliances midwar and neutral-repairing POSes are broken and definitely need some fixing by CCP and propose a brainstorming followed by a joint petition to CCP, signed by some of the best and well known merc corps in EVE.
This is what we are proposing:
- Leaving an alliance midwar should not be possible (or the war should continue a period of time (7Days) after leaving the alliance)
- Neutral-Repairing POSes should flag the same way as repairing a ship involved in a war. (Fix the bug asap!)
- CCP should publish a list of official bannable exploits, which should be also accessible within the game.
- Fixing exploits should be the primary concern of CCP when developing new patches
thanks for Your attention and looking forward for some quality pew pew and ASAP solutions for the mentioned problems above!
Alpha Dragh
GIS PR |
Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:29:00 -
[78]
I've never seen a thread stating that leaving alliance that is at war is an exploit. It happens everyday. You guys chose a highsec target that had this option available to them, and yet you're angry they chose this option.
Why CCP allows high sec POSes is beyond me.
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SnootySneerMan
Amarr
New Eden Combat Academy
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:38:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Alpha Dragh
GIS has been contracted a couple of days ago to help defend the POS together with REPO and to engage Privateer targets.
We've been enjoing the short fights we've had so far and looking forward to some more elaborate pvp with you guys.
Furthermore we know, the decision to leave the alliace has been taken directly by the customer. GIS advised against it, and we were prepairing for a difficult but interesting POS defence round against Noir., Underworld and Privateers although their pilot count is notably higher. Also, the task was even more complicated for us due to the fact of not being able to shoot at Noir. and Underworld in advance, because of the 24 hours delay of the wardec, and not to forget the timezone difference. Nevertheless the defense was well prepared but the customer has choosen another way of handling the situation.
Ultimately, this is the customer's decision and we will have to live with it and continue to provide the service of protection, we are getting paid for. As any good merc corp (and "player", in general) we will try to maximize our efficiency, acting within the rules defined for the game. If an action within the rules is not explicitly marked as an abuse/exploit (with the consequence of a game-ban), then it is a valid action.
We agree that the game mechanics involving leaving alliances midwar and neutral-repairing POSes are broken and definitely need some fixing by CCP and propose a brainstorming followed by a joint petition to CCP, signed by some of the best and well known merc corps in EVE.
This is what we are proposing:
- Leaving an alliance midwar should not be possible (or the war should continue a period of time (7Days) after leaving the alliance)
- Neutral-Repairing POSes should flag the same way as repairing a ship involved in a war. (Fix the bug asap!)
- CCP should publish a list of official bannable exploits, which should be also accessible within the game.
- Fixing exploits should be the primary concern of CCP when developing new patches
thanks for Your attention and looking forward for some quality pew pew and ASAP solutions for the mentioned problems above!
Alpha Dragh
GIS PR
I wish I had read this one before I started my own post about natural repping. Alpha, that was well said and I agree with you on nearly every point.
The only point that I do disagree with is disallowing a corp from leaving an alliance that is dec'd as this will establish a griefing tactic that will be abused. Your second suggestion of extending the aggression period of the departing corp is the way to go I think.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.08.05 13:39:00 -
[80]
Tower owners are cheating.
Simple as that.
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CyberRaver
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.08.05 14:30:00 -
[81]
Might be worth adding some extra collateral damage to the pos owners for the inconvenience
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Darlen Noeskh
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:44:00 -
[82]
1. Wait out 24hr surrender period.
2. Wardec corp.
3. Immediately retract.
4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free.
5. Kill POS.
6. Profit???
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.08.05 15:50:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Darlen Noeskh
1. Wait out 24hr surrender period.
2. Wardec corp.
3. Immediately retract.
4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free.
5. Kill POS.
6. Profit???
I thought that was just an urban legend.... I suppose it'll only cost two million to try....
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:46:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tiny Tove
Originally by: Darlen Noeskh
1. Wait out 24hr surrender period.
2. Wardec corp.
3. Immediately retract.
4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free.
5. Kill POS.
6. Profit???
I thought that was just an urban legend.... I suppose it'll only cost two million to try....
They've fixed that particular instant-war trick. Doing it that way will only get you a few minutes of live-guns.
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Originally by: "RedSplat"
You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:51:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Darlen Noeskh
1. Wait out 24hr surrender period.
2. Wardec corp.
3. Immediately retract.
4. Enjoy 24hrs of weapons-free.
5. Kill POS.
6. Profit???
Tried it on main and test servers last night, aparently this is fixed or at least is for alliances.
The neutral repair of POS clearly isnt working like it's supposed to so and CCP has said as such, and that abusing the malfunction is an exploit. Not much discussion left there. It's not REPO's fault (or GIS's fault if they indeed intentend to get involved beyond their current dec vs Privateers) that their employer put them in a compromising position; it's the employers fault. The mercs were just doing their jobs to the best of their abilities given what they had to work with.
Now everyone involved has no excuse but to know better so we'll see where things go. I agree with a lot of what is in GIS's proposed proposal, though clearly it's going to take some kind of patch to fix and wont be able to resolve the current situation. I think that it encapsulates the spirit of those involved, except obviously the POS holder himself who has demonstrated that his internet space tower is more important than his alliance/friends, his accounts, or the accounts of REPO's/GIS' over 150 players.
My understanding from what Genos has posted and a few other theories that there's some "last hour" work arounds we can try on our end but I think it's pretty much understood the pos will be at least partially repaired and restronted before we can go through the war dec process again. Thems the breaks 
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Molly Mischief
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:11:00 -
[86]
What I find most interesting about the whole situation is that all of the recent changes to the rules, sorry "clarifications" of the rules, seem to benefit merc/war corps. Things that have been going on for years are now suddenly forbidden (see also: alliance shields). It looks like their CSM rep is doing his best for them.
But this thread amounts to whine. If you're willing to accept the GM's ruling that some specific application of the tactic is forbidden, why can't you accept it when it goes against you?
I have the utmost respect for the professionalism these mercs usually display, but this post has crossed over into something else. If the game mechanics are being used against you, don't complain; find a solution. It looks like BSKY did.
As for DrunkenIrony, how about you post with YOUR main? How about Jebediah Beane or one of the other characters? It's hard to tell which one is the main. But I doubt any of them are your main... If you were half the man you seem to think you are (or at least the character you are portraying for this farce thinks he is), you wouldn't have hired the mercs less than an hour after you got killed. So much for skill and bravado. 10 bucks says you can't resist replying to this post in a hostile and aggressive manner that clearly demonstrates your Id10cy. You're just too much of a narcissist.
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Pajama Sam
Copia-WarRages Armaments
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:19:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Pajama Sam on 05/08/2009 17:19:29
Originally by: RoriNeko
what a shame!!
working around the system and restrictions is
AGAINST THE RULES!!
FTFY
Originally by: RoriNeko
Face it and work through the system back in revenge then~~
If the system (GM's) do nothing, what are you supposed to do?
Originally by: RoriNeko
STOP WHINING
SHAME ON YOU!
Again, I haven't seen any post in this thread where he is whining about it. 
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:20:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Jones Bones
I've never seen a thread stating that leaving alliance that is at war is an exploit. It happens everyday. You guys chose a highsec target that had this option available to them, and yet you're angry they chose this option.
Why CCP allows high sec POSes is beyond me.
Go search for that Imune thread.
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Dawts
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:38:00 -
[89]
I wasn't really interested in the POS bashing until now 
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:40:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Molly Mischief
What I find most interesting about the whole situation is that all of the recent changes to the rules, sorry "clarifications" of the rules, seem to benefit merc/war corps. Things that have been going on for years are now suddenly forbidden (see also: alliance shields). It looks like their CSM rep is doing his best for them.
Considering Repo was hired to RR the POS, I'm going to have to say you're wrong. This cuts out a source of revenue for merc corps, especially Logistical Nightmare (to name drop).
Also, the exploit was set in 2007. It was clarified as still being an exploit weeks ago. My favourite cop quote is "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."
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